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post #2521 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Kris-Co View Post

The A3 does not bitstream. Neither does the A30. Only the A35 and the XA2. Sorry.

Sorry, I had a brain fart! So this means the best I will see on the front display is "multichannel", correct?
post #2522 of 9462
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Originally Posted by SkiSmuggs View Post

Set the mike on a tripod at ear level facing up. Set the manual crossover on your sub to max (because the receiver will be controlling crossover), set the gain on your sub between 1/3 and 1/2. Then run Audyssey set up.

gain same as volume?
post #2523 of 9462
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

Point the mic straight up. Put it on a camera tripod if possible (it has a threaded insert for that purpose). You want it to be essentially floating in mid-air, pointing straight up, so that it has an unimpeded omnidirectional perspective on all your speakers.

Definitely set the crossovers, don't leave them set to full range. Check your speaker's specifications, but the THX recommended crossover of 80Hz for all channels is a good place to start . Set the xover on the sub itself to its highest setting (or "off"), so that the receiver is handling this chore.

well 120 is max on my sub, so i should be good there. One more question, it sets my db levels really low so that when i run something in 2.0 sound i have to crank it. A friend of mine said something about adjusting everything up by 9 db. Is this good or is there some better level to go by? Thanks
post #2524 of 9462
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Originally Posted by damon479 View Post

Well, I don't get any picture from the component video sources when connecting to the TV using HDMI/DVI. I only see the XBox when it connects with HDMI. It doesn't appear I can use ANY HDMI port on this receiver with any success

The whole purpose for upgrading to this receiver was to take advantage of the HDMI capabilities. So it seems I can either:
1) Purchase a video card to upgrade the TV to HDCP compliant: does anyone know of any video cards for Pioneer models? I only found the Aurora one; or
2) Return the receiver and wait for a solution. My older receiver has the same amount of component video inputs so there's not a compelling reason to keep the Onkyo.

These can't be my only two options, can they??
post #2525 of 9462
Does anyone know if CC is still offering the 10% coupon? I can't seem to find it if they are.
post #2526 of 9462
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Originally Posted by osum26 View Post

gain same as volume?

Yes.

shinksma
post #2527 of 9462
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Originally Posted by yurij View Post

Hi - I just got the 606. What are the "hidden" functions that this avr has? Looking through this forum I see that there is a way of displaying the internal temperature. How? and what else is possible. thx -yurij

Check the FAQ/Owners Thread for the 705 model - the same hidden functions seem to work for the 606.

shinksma
post #2528 of 9462
Sorry for the multiple quotes, but I wanted to address a couple of issues, and felt it useful to have everything here. And one thing I keep forgetting to ask: what TV do you have? It might help diagnose the issue.

Some portions edited for brevity:

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Originally Posted by damon479 View Post

My issue is with the video display. All audio works perfectly, but video doesn't display for my DVD and Satellite TV. I tried various settings and read through the manual twice, but found no resolution. Here's my set-up:

Satellite connected using HDMI - audio works, but no video
XBox connected using HDMI - audio and video work
DVD connected using Component - audio works, but no video
Output to TV is HDMI to DVI (1.3b technology)

All receiver settings have been triple checked using the manual. In addition, my OSD has never appeared. I wonder if the issues with my Satellite and DVD are related to the OSD? Furthermore, I tried connecting the output to the TV with Component video. In that scenario, the XBox and Satellite didn't work but the DVD did.

OK, your OSD should work for things like checking the speaker settings, etc, even with HDMI. The part of the OSD that doesn't work with HDMI is when it overlays the volume setting over the video: if the source is HDMI, the receiver will not do any "video mixing" for the overlay, whereas it will do video mixing for component sources, even if eventually output over HDMI.

There is a setting to disable the OSD output: on page 78 it says:

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OSD Setup

Immediate Display
This setting determines whether operation details are
displayed onscreen immediately after an AV receiver
function is used.
On:
Displayed (default).
Off:
Not displayed.
Even if On is selected, operation details are not output if
the input source is connected to a COMPONENT
VIDEO IN or HDMI IN.

By the way, that last bit is wrong: I see my volume OSD if my source is component.

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Originally Posted by damon479 View Post

My TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, DVI is the best it can do. But why would the XBox work if there was an issue with the output connection to the TV? I am NOT able to see any menu system on my TV when I press setup. I've had to use the receiver itself to make all the input assignments

UPDATE: I connected the Satellite via Component and the output to the TV via Component. Now the DVD and Satellite picture and sound work, but I don't get picture on the XBox (connected with HDMI, though I still get sound) and I still don't see any on-screen display. It sounds more and more like a conversion issue since component connections now work and HDMI doesn't. I bought the receiver for its HDMI capabilities, so I still need a solution here...

When your receiver is connected to the TV via component, the HDMI inputs do not get transcoded from HDMI to component: the only way to output an HDMI video signal is via HDMI. So that is why your XBox isn't showing up.

And the reason your XBox is working via HDMI when the Sat Box wasn't is probably because the XBox HDMI signal isn't HDCP protected, so conversion to DVI is OK (assuming you are gaming). Try playing a regular movie DVD (or HD DVD if you have the add-on) on your XBox - it might not work due to HDCP. Try connecting the SAt Box via component, Xbox via HDMI, and output via HDMI/DVI to the TV. See below for my comments on why the HDMI output might not be happy, and what you could try if haven't already...

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Originally Posted by damon479 View Post

Well, I don't get any picture from the component video sources when connecting to the TV using HDMI/DVI. I only see the XBox when it connects with HDMI. It doesn't appear I can use ANY HDMI port on this receiver with any success

The whole purpose for upgrading to this receiver was to take advantage of the HDMI capabilities. So it seems I can either:
1) Purchase a video card to upgrade the TV to HDCP compliant: does anyone know of any video cards for Pioneer models? I only found the Aurora one; or
2) Return the receiver and wait for a solution. My older receiver has the same amount of component video inputs so there's not a compelling reason to keep the Onkyo.

It is possible you have somehow disabled the transcoding of the component video signals to HDMI, or your TV has an issue with the resolution being output by the HDMI transcoder. What setting have you set the HDMI output to? If your TV doesn't like 1080i, for example, forcing the output to that will cause your TV to display nothing. The XBox HDMI signal will not get touched, so if your XBox is outputting 720p, and your TV likes 720p, then everything will be fine. Try the Through or Auto setting for the HDMI output resolution.

Finally, it is possible the HDMI transcoder circuit is DOA in yor 606, which is why the only thing to work is the XBox via HDMI - it isn't HDCP-protected, and isn't being transcoded.

Or, maybe the 606 just doesn't like your TV's DVI connection. Do you have a friend that could bring a (small) HDMI TV over to try out in place of your TV?

Sorry, you might have to resort to an exchange or refund...

shinksma
post #2529 of 9462
Just want to report that I also have a 606 Buzzer.

Have the unit for about 6 weeks but did not have time to toy with it. Heard the Buzz last night for the first time right after playing "Entrapment" SDVD from the Toshiba A3 HD-DVD player.
post #2530 of 9462
Shinksm,

Is this inherent in all receivers of this type or just the 606? I mean will he be better with a different receiver like a Denon, or will all receivers act in this manner.

Thanks,

Mark
post #2531 of 9462
I have a Pioneer PDP-504CMX. Trying your other suggestions now, though I believe I've been through all of these once or twice before...

And of note, my OSD has NEVER appeared, regardless of the output method to the TV (component or HDMI/DVI)
post #2532 of 9462
Picking up a 606 from CC today. Will the "B" at the end of the serial number that I should be looking for be on the box or do I need to get this off the receiver?
post #2533 of 9462
B just means black.
post #2534 of 9462
I thought that the "B" (according to this thread) meant that this was a receiver that was fixed for the "buzz" problems.
post #2535 of 9462
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Originally Posted by markek View Post

Shinksm,

Is this inherent in all receivers of this type or just the 606? I mean will he be better with a different receiver like a Denon, or will all receivers act in this manner.

Thanks,

Mark

Depends. It might be that his particular 606 is broken, which is what is causing the problem with the OSD and transcoding of Component inputs. So a replacement 606 will fix that set of issues.

But all receivers will have issues with HDMI inputs being sent out to a non-HDCP DVI TV - it is the nature of HDMI and HDCP: the receiver is simply passing the info the the source, which is then refusing to let the data out. So really that part has nothing to do with the receiver, per se. And a Denon should have the same behavior.

Or...it might be that Onkyo's implementation of HDMI is messed up, causing these issues for component inputs being transcoded to HDMI, then fed to a DVI input. In which case it is a design flaw that affects all 606s, and a Denon would probably not have the same issue.

IMHO, YMMV,

shinksma
post #2536 of 9462
After speaking with Onkyo and reading Shinksma's posts, I'm convinced the issue is with my "old" (read: 2004) plasma TV. Looks like I'll be purchasing a new $700+ video card that has HDMI inputs.

As for the OSD, Onkyo told me the OSD only appears in an HDMI configuration. That makes some sense as I have never seen the OSD, even when my system is configured with just component cables. However, that seems to contradict the manual and experiences of others on this board. This is probably a TV issue for me. Anyone else have OSD problems/solutions? And yes, I've checked ALL the OSD settings!
post #2537 of 9462
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Originally Posted by osum26 View Post

well 120 is max on my sub, so i should be good there. One more question, it sets my db levels really low so that when i run something in 2.0 sound i have to crank it. A friend of mine said something about adjusting everything up by 9 db. Is this good or is there some better level to go by? Thanks

No don't do it. The Audyssey is trying to balance the volume levels of your entire system including the sub. Changing the levels will ruin the relationship with the sub.

Here's how I adjust my system:
1. I start by adjusting the sub volume in such a way that Audyssey eventually sets it to "0". If it ends up with a value like -10, lower the sub volume and re-run audyssey until it gets close to zero.
2. Use a SPL meter and fine tune the level matching of the 5 speakers. If you ran Audyssey correctly, it should be shockingly close, but double checking with a meter is always recommended.
3. Change the crossover appropriately.
post #2538 of 9462
when i run Audyssey, it put my front as full band, are you guys saying don't leave it as full band but change it to whatever the speaker itself says as crossover?
post #2539 of 9462
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Originally Posted by damon479 View Post

After speaking with Onkyo and reading Shinksma's posts, I'm convinced the issue is with my "old" (read: 2004) plasma TV. Looks like I'll be purchasing a new $700+ video card that has HDMI inputs.

As for the OSD, Onkyo told me the OSD only appears in an HDMI configuration. That makes some sense as I have never seen the OSD, even when my system is configured with just component cables. However, that seems to contradict the manual and experiences of others on this board. This is probably a TV issue for me. Anyone else have OSD problems/solutions? And yes, I've checked ALL the OSD settings!

The Radeon 4850 is an excellent video card w HDMI and 7.1 sound built in for around $170.

I think they mean you get an OSD going from say, component-in with a dvd player, to HDMI out going to your tv. HDMI to HDMI has no OSD
post #2540 of 9462
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Originally Posted by paradizecityz View Post

when i run Audyssey, it put my front as full band, are you guys saying don't leave it as full band but change it to whatever the speaker itself says as crossover?

Change the fronts to 80hz as a starting point and experiment. Then change the LPF to 120hz if it didn't already.

I'm assuming you have a sub right?
post #2541 of 9462
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

Change the fronts to 80hz as a starting point and experiment. Then change the LFE to 120hz if it didn't already.

I'm assuming you have a sub right?

i thought you needed to put the sub at 80hz or are you talking about changing the LFE on the actual sub. Sorry for the confusion.
post #2542 of 9462
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

No don't do it. The Audyssey is trying to balance the volume levels of your entire system including the sub. Changing the levels will ruin the relationship with the sub.

Here's how I adjust my system:
1. I start by adjusting the sub volume in such a way that Audyssey eventually sets it to "0". If it ends up with a value like -10, lower the sub volume and re-run audyssey until it gets close to zero.
2. Use a SPL meter and fine tune the level matching of the 5 speakers. If you ran Audyssey correctly, it should be shockingly close, but double checking with a meter is always recommended.
3. Change the crossover appropriately.

cool, i will give it a go tonight.
post #2543 of 9462
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

Change the fronts to 80hz as a starting point and experiment. Then change the LFE to 120hz if it didn't already.

I'm assuming you have a sub right?


yup, basically Audyssey put everything to 120hz except the Fronts which they put Full Band
post #2544 of 9462
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Originally Posted by osum26 View Post

i thought you needed to put the sub at 80hz or are you talking about changing the LFE on the actual sub. Sorry for the confusion.

Check out the Audyssey thread. You want to DISABLE the built in crossover physically on the sub, or set it to 120 if you can't.

Then run Audyssey and go to "speaker setup" and change the LPF to 120hz.
post #2545 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Old Deuteronomy View Post

Onkyo already seem to have a HW fix in place for the hum issue. Here is a service document that someone scanned and published on imageshack (img tag doesn't seem to work for this one, maybe because it's GIF):

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?i...r606modtl7.gif

I read this document and read where they advised replacing the 0 ohm resistor with 2.2 ohms.... 0 ohm resistor? Isn't that a piece of wire? To quote Jamie Hynemann of Mythbusters: "Well, there's your problem".
post #2546 of 9462
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

I think you need to do some more reading on the matter. The 606 has NO problems with either a 5.1 or 7.1 setup for ANY of the HD codecs (trueHD DTS-HD) from bitstream capable players. Since your PS3 cannot bitstream HD codecs anyway, it will pass these along as LPCM. So essentially you're not even using the (built-in) advanced codecs in the 606 , but maybe someday down the road you will, just not with the PS3.

Read up on the processing a bit more. The 606 "video processing" abilities are ONLY for component, Svideo and component inputs. Anything HDMI (like your PS3) gets passed through untouched, so you will NOT get a loss of picture quality.

My 606 most certaintly processes HDMI video. Feeding it 1080p from my PC (DVI-->HDMI cable) it even processes it when set to the damn 'pass-thru' mode.

color, contrast, brightness is changed. it also looks like it's deinterlacing the damn signal (even tho it's 1080p) producing motion artifacts.
It also introduces a small, but noticible amount of video lag.

the reciever also freaks out when processing the video. The HDMI indicator will turn on and off, and flash randomly. Audio will cut in and out every 15 seconds or so. (Coax audio, not HDMI!) You can hear the reciever click.

Is my unit bad?
post #2547 of 9462
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Originally Posted by ThatsNotPudding View Post

I read this document and read where they advised replacing the 0 ohm resistor with 2.2 ohms.... 0 ohm resistor? Isn't that a piece of wire? To quote Jamie Hynemann of Mythbusters: "Well, there's your problem".

At least one person has claimed this has NOT fixed their issue, even though the work bill claims to have changed the resistor. At least they KNOW of the issue, thats the first step.
post #2548 of 9462
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Originally Posted by okashira View Post

My 606 most certaintly processes HDMI video. Feeding it 1080p from my PC (DVI-->HDMI cable) it even processes it when set to the damn 'pass-thru' mode.

color, contrast, brightness is changed. it also looks like it's deinterlacing the damn signal (even tho it's 1080p) producing motion artifacts.
It also introduces a small, but noticible amount of video lag.

the reciever also freaks out when processing the video. The HDMI indicator will turn on and off, and flash randomly. Audio will cut in and out every 15 seconds or so. (Coax audio, not HDMI!) You can hear the reciever click.

Is my unit bad?

Might be, I would say 90% of people on this thread are running their PS3's through the 606 via HDMI for movies and have not noticed ANY degradation in quality. trust me, nobody would buy it if it did.
post #2549 of 9462
Ok, after much deliberation (and mean much) I purchased 606 today from CC for 360.00. I have an LCD tv with hdmi and an xbox360. Exactly what should I do as far as connections or whatever to determine if I have the "buzz"? The serial number did not end in a "B". They had 5 receivers there and none of them ended in a B.
post #2550 of 9462
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Originally Posted by kplex View Post

I think units with black cases have green displays and units with silver cases have orange displays.

One more point in favor of the black version. Seriously, I do not understand why anyone would choose their A/V equipment to be silver instead of black; silver just looks...old. Maybe all these other companies had to offer styles to match Motorola's DVR boxes (only in silver, right?).

Now, even more chilling is that some companies (even Onkyo, IIRC) are offering GOLD toned equipment - apparently to help keep your pimp hand strong.
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