The Onkyo TX-SR606 Owners Thread - Page 153

Why change them to 80Hz?

I have JBL ES90 (large floor standing towers) fronts and a ES25 center A set them all to full band.

I note A set the sat ES10's to 60Hz

I also have a sub

What is the advantage of changing them from full?

Thanks

Mike

I can't help, but good luck. Let us know how it turns out as I was looking at the same polk speakers for my 606. My basement is newly finished so I am nervous about hanging my speakers on the wall. I want to make sure I get them in the right place.

You don't have to change them from full. I was answering this question:

Originally Posted by tomfoolery_79 View Post
What would be an appropriate cross-over frequency so that mid's and high's stay with my L C R speakers and that all lows go to the subwoofer? I have a high quality B&W subwoofer. Thanks!

As in "it had ought to be" or "its busted if it don't"?

This, btw, in response to my earlier question of whether audio signals are successfully passed thru HDMI from a Blu Ray player if no monitor is connected.

Anyone willing to disconnect their monitor, repower their system, and see for me? Be much appreciated!

-don

Each owner will need to evaluate which setting is best for their system. Here is the basic point at issue:

Onkyo has set the standard that "full" equates to any system whose bass output remains within standards (typically -3db) at 80hz. Thus a signal of, say, 60hz will be lost if the "full" range speaker actually does not go down that low. If the speaker setting is "small" however, or if "bass doubling" is set, any frequencies below 80hz will be redirected to the sub and thus will be reproduced.

How well this works depends on the smoothness of the sub in regards to it's own smoothness of output, its volume setting (many folks whose taste for bass has been set by over-exaggerated automobile boom boxes technically have their subs set too loud), and the effect of standing waves which augment some frequencies and diminish others from the listening position.

Ideally the bass roll over to the sub will be smooth and unexaggerated. If however there is too much upper bass then male voices sound "chesty" and unnatural. Most listeners prefer a small "hole" in the bass coverage to that and in such cases leaving the speakers set at "full" proves to be the better compromise.

Note: The .1 track is another thing altogether. It is an addition to the sound track - usually an effect - not coverage of the low end of the frequency response as is the redirected bass when the mains or set to "small.".

-don

I have not read up on this Audyssey thing yet, but it sounds like it automatically sets your speaker levels with that mic that comes with it. Correct?

Is it somethng I should not do until I have all 5.1 speakers in place? I'll only have 3.1 by Christmas.

Run Audyssey now and each time you add, change or move speakers.

I went back and forth on the same, got a great deal on the 820, hooked it up, and unhooked it an hour later to return it for the 606. The 606 blows it out of the water. I only went with the 820 initially due to budget at the time and the heat and hum issues reported with the 606. I have no issues with either.

This is based entirely upon your actual DSL download speed, so your solution should rely upon a strategy of getting higher/more consistent throughput from your DSL service. The Roku (netflix) software merely assesses your download speed and then compresses the movie accordingly... if your actual download speed is too low then the data really gets squashed so frame rate won't suffer, however you will get lots of macroblocking and other compression artifacts as the result and that represents lost information that the 606 cannot possibly be expected to re-create. You might want to think about upgrading your DSL speed and then verify it at http://performance.toast.net/ ...you'd really like to be above 3Mb/sec for the best pic Netflix can provide you... Good Luck...

I do this with both my A-35 and the PS3. I have a professionally cal'd HDTV that is component only and I run component directly to it and use HDMI to the 606 for the sound. The only situation this doesn't work for is for SD dvds in the A-35, the component video gets shut down because it senses an HDMI output and tries to upscale which is not allowed over component. The PS3 does not have that problem.

I can't figure out why my "level calibration" is greyed out and can't be changed. I changed the db recenly trying to increase the center level volume but now the option is greyed out and I can't select it. I'm not sure what has changed. I did play around with the listening levels on the front but that's all I have recently changed. If it helps, I have front, center and surrounds but no sub. Thanks!

Thx SkiSmuggs. I ran the auto speaker calibration last night and noticed a big improvement in the sound. I still have some tweaking to do though because the volume is not that good. It seems I have to crank it up to hear it at normal volume. Maybe a line input volume is set low or something.

Not to dominate this thread, but another quick question.

I have my PS2 hooked up to the video component input #2...I have Toslink optical going from the PS2 to the optical input #2. How can I make sure that when I select the component #2 video that the receiver knows to play audio connected with the toslink #2? I did read the manual, but it's still not clear. Thx.

I will. I got the speakers already. I am getting 606 today. I made a mistake ordering cables online. I have to wait till I recevie my speaker cables. I appreciate if someone can throw in some suggestions regarding my home audio setup.

Set the component input to component #2, and the digital input to optical #2.

Excellent! Thank you BSTFAN!

Here is a trick I use with my A-3 that may solve both your problem and my own with SD discs. I find that if I start the SD disc (or the actual movie content) with the monitor on another non-component, input the player is partially fooled in that while the indicator light says it has lowered the image to 480 in fact it has not. The benefits of upscaling with smooth transitions and (especially!) creamy blacks and whites come through. Maybe it'll fool the audio portion as well.

-don

I've got another question and I haven't really taken the time to test this. So your input is greatly appreciated.

My setup:
Polk Monitor 60
Polk CS2
Polk Monitor 40
HSU STF2

Should I have the Double Bass on? I currently have the settings for the speakers at full band and the sub at 100.

Thanks for any help !
MD

Is the 606 capable of down converting 5.1 bitstream audio from a blu-ray source to a 3 channel configuration, i.e. 2 front speakers and center channel? I only ask because I don't have my 2 rear speakers or sub connected due to baby proofing.

See post #4565

Sure, just run your setup so that it knows which speakers are present.

^^Thanks DUCeditor !

Below is a quote from an earlier posting in this thread that you may find helpful as it does somewhat speak to your question...

"The reason Full-Range is an option for your speakers is that the woofers employed in most 'true' subs are typically built to be able to reproduce very low freqs at high sound pressure levels while still being able to maintain a relatively low level of distortion, unfortunately in order to meet these requirements typically these woofers require a large increase in their mass which then also results in a corresponding increase in inertia. This leads to loss of nuance in the mid to higher bass freqs and therefore these freqs may be better reproduced with a lighter, less massive and thus more responsive woofer... like what might be found in a good full-range front channel speaker (which is often a 3- or 4-way with an 8" or larger woofer). So I believe the Double-Bass feature attempts to allow you to have it both ways by letting your front channel speakers reproduce what bass it can with all the nuance the lighter woofers can bring to the sound while letting the sub 'hold up' the very low end and 'fill' the mid-bass region with added 'punch'. However depending upon the true capabilities of your woofers in the main speakers and your room's acoustics (nulls, peaks, speaker and listener locations, etc) this may or may not get you the bass reinforcement you desire or the sound you want. The only way to be sure is to try it out and see if it sounds right to you."

Maybe you pressed the Muting button by mistake..

here's a silly question..

i bought a 606 about a month ago.. i got my PS3, Wii, 360, and Cable box hooked up to it.. I have no problems with any of them really, except for a small issue with the PS3.

when i'm in the XMB, i have no sound at all.. if i plug the ps3 straight into my TV, it works fine, but when i go thru the 606 no sound at all.. all devices are hooked up via HDMI (well.. the 360 is now hooked up with component so i can use the component out with my hava to record games), and i'm using HDMI out to my TV .. when i first turn it on, the Dolby Digital icon usually shows up on the receiver, but as soon as ANY sound comes out, it changes to PCM Stereo.. I will hear sound while the dolby icon is up, but as soon as it finishes switching over, no sound at all.

i have no speakers hooked up to the 606.. i haven't saved up the dough for those yet, so i'm using the TV Out function and from there i'm using a cheapo set of Logitech computer speakers via the RCA Audio Out jacks on my TV (42LG50)

any ideas what i can do to fix this? i'm going nuts.

i just got this reciever as part of the ht 7100...

i did the initial "mic test" and let it do its thing...

i am only using center, front left and right, and the sub...

is there any special settings i should use to maximize this set up? the only thing i've done aside from the mic test is to hit the "movie/tv" listening mode...

any ideas would be appreciated...

EDIT:

2 more questions...

1. i have a cable box to the receiver via component... i have a blue ray to the receiver via HDMI... and then the receiver to the TV via HDMI... the only way i can get the cable to work is if the blue ray player is on... doesn't really make sense to me... am i doing something wrong?

2. also, while watching cable the sub sounds sooooooooooooooo weak. like it's barely on. when i turn the volume up on the sub itself, it does sound louder, but more of a muffled sound... doesn';t sound right...

Quick questions:

I did the auto speaker setup and it seems like everything is quite quiet. I have to have the unit turned up to 50-55 (max=65) for it to sound decent, why should it have to be up this loud? What can I do to make it louder on the low end (35-40)? I'm using both PS3 over HDMI and my cable run through component.

When I have the PS3 connected through HDMI I have the PS3 sound set to LPCM but on my receiver it does not give me the option for Multichannel PCM under listening mode. Why isn't it there? Anything I can do to get it there?

If there is anymore info needed on my setup let me know and I'll try to get it for you.

I have run audessy a few different times after tweeking my system setup and speaker placement and I was wondering how do I set the crossover frequency for the subwoofer.
Currently the settings are
Sub - Yes
Front 120hz
Center 150hz
Surround 60hz
LPF of LFE - 100hz

The reciever is hooked up to the KEF KHT3005's and which has no crossover setting on the sub itself. I am a noob to all this and I am still learning...slowly. Any help would be greatly appreciated

*Also considering replacing the reciever with 706,806, or sony es series recievers

I can't figure out why my "level calibration" is greyed out and can't be changed. I changed the db recenly trying to increase the center level volume but now the option is greyed out and I can't select it. I'm not sure what has changed. I did play around with the listening levels on the front but that's all I have recently changed. If it helps, I have front, center and surrounds but no sub. Thanks!


I don't have it muted or headphones plugged in. I have changed inputs (PS3 & Cable/TV) and it's greyed out on both set-ups. I did connect a wii via component but everything is output to TV via one HDMI cable and is working fine (PS3, wii & DTV HD DVR). Do you think connecting the wii would have anything to do with it? I have had Audyssey turned off because it set the volume so low. Do you think running Audyssey again would bring this menu option back up? When I have PS3 turned on it says PCM Multichannel & when using TV it says PLII Movie but I can't change the level calibration anymore. Thanks!

xsists, I had the same behavior and I found out that Audyessy had set up my speakers all with negative dB. Go to the level settings and see. Try moving them all back to 0 and listen. Then try the setup again.

So far I have had to manually increase my speaker levels. Audyessy seems to always put them negative. Anyone know why this is?

Audyssey did it for you. You're all set. The LPF of LFE is for the sub.