Originally Posted by D-Nice
I'm not exactly sure how these pictures look on your screen but on mine, the 9G vs 8G is just as dramatic as the 8G vs the Panny at the bottom left.
ANSI on the 8Gs were in the 3K range. ANSI on the 9Gs are in the 8K range. Now will you be able to really see these numbers in bright intrascene scenarios? Probably, probably not. However, the differences in the numbers are significant.
I've just re-profiled my monitor and you're right, it is more dramatic than I had initially seen. I didn't realise it had been a while since I last calibrated this, and it had drifted quite a bit.
With mixed contrast images, there still doesn't appear to be a massive improvement: http://www.engadget.com/photos/pione...nds-on/793959/
but it was mostly dark low-contrast images that the 8G struggled with anyway.
As I now need a new display, I think I will end up getting one of these, despite the other plasma issues. I would prefer to keep waiting for the 10/11G Pioneers when they finally get true' blacks, but it's not an option any more.
I presume that, just like last year, the 60ʺ model will have worse black levels than the 50ʺ sets. Do you happen to know how they'll compare? I'm tempted to go for the 60ʺ but not if there's a big difference. (you know how picky I am when it comes to things like this)
Originally Posted by iatacs19
Looks promising, but I will wait for independent reports that are not from a Pioneer booth setup.
Regardless of how it compares to the other displays, their comparison to the 8G will be a proper' one, so that should at least give some of us an idea of how much darker the blacks are.
Originally Posted by westa6969
Having been an owner of both technologies and own four LCD's over the past 3.5 yrs with zero issues and admittedly inferior blacks on my 57" as discussed on this forum constantly let me ask you this. My perception of my 57" Sharp is that I have two different types of blacks that I never see discussed on this forum.
1. Content Displayed BLACKS - Which are close to perfect BTB and black enough to match any bezel. Blacks within that are from black source are simply damn black.
2. Then I have what I call VOID Blacks where there is no source material content or when the screen goes VOID and you see a Haze gray/black during credits and who the hell gets excited about credits? Everyone seems to discuss this BLACK or lack thereof as if LCD has no Blacks which is B.S..
If you are viewing in a bright room with the lights on, then you can get the appearance of black out of an LCD, especially with medium to high-contrast images.
In a dark home-theatre environment with a properly calibrated display, an LCD will only appear to produce black with bright high-contrast images. With anything else, the black levels start to fall apart.
The 8G Kuros fared reasonably well with high and medium-contrast images in a dark environment, but they still looked grey with dark images.
Hopefully the 9G Kuros will look black in all but the darkest images. At the very least, they should hopefully be able to produce black levels at least on-par with, if not better than most CRTs when calibrated for shadow detail. The majority of CRTs out there can only show great blacks when sacrificing shadow detail, the Kuros show great shadow detail even at their darkest setting. The Trinitron I'm using temporarily right now has rather poor black levels when set so that it doesn't crush shadow details - even an 8G would probably be better than it, and certainly the 9G will.
These so-called void' blacks that you speak of appear in many types of programme content - horror films for example.