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post #211 of 7982
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Originally Posted by HDPeeT View Post

Looks like this:

If you leave the speaker bar on the bottom connected, you won't see the "Chicken Legs" or the wiring.

But I am not using a stand. The 6010 is going to be flush mounted on a wall. Will I see wiring?? I don't understand.

The electrical outlet is in the back of the tv, and the hdmi cable is running through the wall behind the tv. Can't see how wiring is exposed by removing the bottom speaker. And the chicken legs are for the stand, not for a mounted tv.
post #212 of 7982
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CapeAV View Post

HOW ABOUT SOME REAL SPECS?

even Tweeter etc. has them.

example: 151FD weighs 122 lbs.

Really? Tweeter? They could even get the 151FD MSRP correct.

No thank you. When my contact says I can post additional info, I will
post #213 of 7982
I'm sitting at 10'6" and the 60" is almost too small.
post #214 of 7982
check the hours on the TV and the current settings. see if you can tell it has been on torch mode for any extended period of time.

honestly i would never buy a floor model Kuro, i don't think.
post #215 of 7982
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Originally Posted by CapeAV View Post

HOW ABOUT SOME REAL SPECS?

even Tweeter etc. has them.

example: 151FD weighs 122 lbs.

That sounds heavy to me. Maybe the shipping weight is 122, including speakers, stand, box, etc. My Panny 58PX600 is 130+ lbs and it has 2 panes of glass.
post #216 of 7982
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by djones3 View Post

I have a Sony XRD DLP today but really would like to upgrade as we watch a lot of TV and movies. Also with Pioneer outsourcing their Plasma does that reinforce that now would be the time to get a Kuro Elite?

Thank you for your ideas.

9Gs are NOT outsourced panels.
post #217 of 7982
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

That scene you are talking about is the first thing I saw playing on a Kuro and it did stand out.

I thought Robert had said that but maybe I'm mistaken. I have seen that mentioned a few other times on different sites. Guess we'll hear about it soon enough hopefully.

You might be thinking of the British gentleman who posted on a Euro forum with pics after attending a demo - he did find the jump up the same as from 7G to 8G.

Robert was not quite there.
post #218 of 7982
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

9Gs are NOT outsourced panels.

That's going to be a damn hard misconception to kill, isn't it? For every person we set straight, 5 more will have heard the opposite from Joe Salesman.
post #219 of 7982
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Originally Posted by Tayja View Post

I will be sitting approx 13' from the set.

Which would be better for viewing the 50 " or the 60"?
thx

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Originally Posted by CapeAV View Post

no question the 60"

under 10' I could see going with the 50"

Definately 60" !!!


This is exactly why I want Bigger than 60", at 13' viewing distance
the SMPTE (Science of Motion Picture and Television Engineers')
recommends a screen size of 83.6" when you plug a 13' viewing distance (16:9 screen) into the calculator here:
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/v...alculator.html

60" = 8'-0" recommended viewing distance
"If" you are interested in the cinematic effect of a 30º viewing angle to
fill your feild of vision.

THX recommendations are even closer 6.7' ( at 36º)




If you just want to "watch TV", sure 60" is fine at 13'

I quickly got used to sitting at 6'-7' from my 50" Pioneer in my apartment, but
now that I'm getting set to move into my new home and my basement entertainment
area measures aprox 17' x 14' my options are limited while trying to maintain those viewing angles.
post #220 of 7982
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Originally Posted by PARASITE View Post

UM, I'm sorry but a calibrated Kuro elite has ZERO BLACK CRUSH! Anyone who says they see black crush on a kuro, is looking at one that is not calibrated right. I owned a XBR1 SXRD, and yes it had great shadow detail but not as good as my elite. 9Gs look great, but I'm holding out for ECC is 2009. D-nice is that still gonna happen? or do we have to wait until 2010 for the ECC?

I shouldn't have to have a professional calibration "bring out" missing details. I know some of you guys are pros and know what you are doing in the SM, but not all of us do. So when you guys post such information as you do you need to keep in mind that most of us tweak our TVs through the User Menu. My Kuro is a 6010 not an Elite. How much detail an Elite can bring out over a non-elite I cannot say, but the 6010 doesn't show more detail than my SXRD. If you have suggestions please advise as to what I can do via the user menu has it's limitations.
post #221 of 7982
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

I shouldn't have to have a professional calibration "bring out" missing details. I know some of you guys are pros and know what you are doing in the SM, but not all of us do. So when you guys post such information as you do you need to keep in mind that most of us tweak our TVs through the User Menu. My Kuro is a 6010 not an Elite. How much detail an Elite can bring out over a non-elite I cannot say, but the 6010 doesn't show more detail than my SXRD. If you have suggestions please advise as to what I can do via the user menu has it's limitations.

Your 6010 shows the exact same details as your SXRD.....only darker due to the much lower minimum luminance levels.
To put it another way, if your Kuro had the same minimum luminance levels as your SXRD, the black details would be identical.
post #222 of 7982
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Originally Posted by LTCJack View Post

But I am not using a stand. The 6010 is going to be flush mounted on a wall. Will I see wiring?? I don't understand.

The electrical outlet is in the back of the tv, and the hdmi cable is running through the wall behind the tv. Can't see how wiring is exposed by removing the bottom speaker. And the chicken legs are for the stand, not for a mounted tv.

I think you answered your own question . If you are mounting the TV, none of this chicken legs talk applies, as you are removing the stand. Removing the speaker or not makes no difference in this case. You will be fishing the wires straight back into the wall and all will be hidden.
post #223 of 7982
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Originally Posted by ercc View Post

I think you answered your own question . If you are mounting the TV, none of this chicken legs talk applies, as you are removing the stand. Removing the speaker or not makes no difference in this case. You will be fishing the wires straight back into the wall and all will be hidden.

+1 I was about to answer his question but you've done a fine job.
post #224 of 7982
i'm going to put on the speaker tonight and see how it looks. completely asthetic reasons - i won't be using it. it'll just take away from the fully glossy bezel look i think. and i hate to have extraneous things i'm not even using.
post #225 of 7982
Not much new, but here is what CNET is saying:

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-993...?tag=cnetfd.mt
post #226 of 7982
even reviewers are spewing this stuff:

"In case you're keeping track, this is the final generation of Kuro panels that Pioneer will manufacture itself. In 2009 and beyond, Panasonic will manufacture the actual panels. There's no way to determine how this change in panel manufacturing will affect the actual picture quality of those future Kuro models, but we suspect that by the time those 2009 Panasonic-sourced Kuro HDTVs are rolled out, they will perform just as well, if not better, than the current Pioneer-sourced ones. Pioneer, for what it's worth, naturally claims its future Kuro HDTVs will still lead the industry in performance. Only time will tell."

does no one have their facts straight?
post #227 of 7982
As much as I love the Pioneers picture, and am saving as we speak, that 'chicken legs' stand has got to be the most hideous stand ever on a five thousand dollar tv. Am I wrong to expect a little more 'class' from a premier brand? Looks like wall mounting will definitely be in order.
post #228 of 7982
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Originally Posted by briansemerick View Post

even reviewers are spewing this stuff:

"In case you're keeping track, this is the final generation of Kuro panels that Pioneer will manufacture itself. In 2009 and beyond, Panasonic will manufacture the actual panels. There's no way to determine how this change in panel manufacturing will affect the actual picture quality of those future Kuro models, but we suspect that by the time those 2009 Panasonic-sourced Kuro HDTVs are rolled out, they will perform just as well, if not better, than the current Pioneer-sourced ones. Pioneer, for what it's worth, naturally claims its future Kuro HDTVs will still lead the industry in performance. Only time will tell."

does no one have their facts straight?

I don't see any misinformation there. They are talking about the glass ("actual panel").


ron
post #229 of 7982
I am currently sitting at 7 feet from my TV ... should be about perfect for the 60" model!

Personally I found the greens (grass) to be hideous on the early SXRD (actually grass is poorly reproduced on many TV's) ... one of the reasons I completely rejected it from the beginning. I don't know if they have improved any on newer models as I have not bothered to look at them. For me true color reproduction is just as important ... or even more ... than the blacks. Also, of major importance is proper skin tones ... that can really turn me off a television set.

I recently saw the latest Runco one chip projector in a theatre setting (set up in a room by itself as it would be in a home) ... now that is real life-like reproduction! I only wish I could afford one!
post #230 of 7982
yeah, you're probably right. it sounded like an all-encompassing word when i read that. should've said glass. but they do make it sound like Panny is going to be like a vender to Pio in all aspects - "Panasonic-sourced". it's probably just the way they said it but it still seems to reek of what most misinformed people are saying.
post #231 of 7982
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Originally Posted by r1dude57 View Post

As much as I love the Pioneers picture, and am saving as we speak, that 'chicken legs' stand has got to be the most hideous stand ever on a five thousand dollar tv. Am I wrong to expect a little more 'class' from a premier brand? Looks like wall mounting will definitely be in order.

Basically treat the speaker as non-removable unless wall-mounting. Clearly thats the way the set was designed. I think the unit as a whole looks good with the speaker on anyway, so personally I like the design. Definitely better than the tvs (mostly lcds) that look like they are trying too hard by adding ridiculous things to the bezel (holes? red? seriously?). Personally the panasonic pro 10UK is the best design-wise to me, but the kuros come close.
post #232 of 7982
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Originally Posted by ercc View Post

Basically treat the speaker as non-removable unless wall-mounting. Clearly thats the way the set was designed. I think the unit as a whole looks good with the speaker on anyway, so personally I like the design. Definitely better than the tvs (mostly lcds) that look like they are trying too hard by adding ridiculous things to the bezel (holes? red? seriously?). Personally the panasonic pro 10UK is the best design-wise to me, but the kuros come close.

The 5070 has a far more esthetically pleasing stand over the 5080, (I have both, side by side)
and after removing the speaker like I did on my 5070, you have the option of lowering the TV about 2.5" to hide the "chicken legs".

..its just a second set of mounting holes further up on the rear face of the PDP-5070.
post #233 of 7982
What is the width of the Pioneer Elite PRO-141FD?
post #234 of 7982
Actually, is there a place we can get the dimensions of all 9G displays?
Or are they the same as 8G?
Thanks
post #235 of 7982
D-Nice,

Do you know when more information will be released concerning the 101 and 141?
post #236 of 7982
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-993...?tag=cnetfd.mt

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Pioneer's entry-level 2008 plasmas are still priced higher than comparable models from Panasonic and Samsung, but that's normal for the company. These two non-Elite sets--"Elite" is Pioneer's designation for its step-up models, detailed below--also cost significantly more than their 2007 counterparts, so if you're looking for a "bargain" on a Kuro, it's probably time to snap up a 2007 model before they sell out.



Why is it so hard to understand that Pioneer is DROPPING the MSRP for the 1080p 9Gs?

('07)PDP-5010 MSRP $5000
('08)PDP-5020 MSRP $4000

('07)PDP-6010 MSRP $6500
('08)PDP-6020 MSRP $5500

('07) PRO-110FD MSRP $6000
('08) PRO-111FD MSRP $5000

('07) PRO-150FD MSRP $7500
('08) PRO-151FD MSRP $6500

To me, it looks they cost significantly less than their 2007 "counterparts", wouldn't you agree?
post #237 of 7982
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Originally Posted by HDPeeT View Post

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-993...?tag=cnetfd.mt





Why is it so hard to understand that Pioneer is DROPPING the MSRP for the 1080p 9Gs?

('07)PDP-5010 MSRP $5000
('08)PDP-5020 MSRP $4000

('07)PDP-6010 MSRP $6500
('08)PDP-6020 MSRP $5500

('07) PRO-110FD MSRP $6000
('08) PRO-111FD MSRP $5000

('07) PRO-150FD MSRP $7500
('08) PRO-151FD MSRP $6500

To me, it looks they cost significantly less than their 2007 "counterparts", wouldn't you agree?

I'd say about a grand per model, HDPeeT.
post #238 of 7982
I'm at such a crossroads right now guys...I have a 150FD 8Gen waiting for me now to buy...should I go for this or wait for the 9Gen non-elite 60"?

is it going to be that much more noticeable?...help!
post #239 of 7982
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDPeeT View Post

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-993...?tag=cnetfd.mt





Why is it so hard to understand that Pioneer is DROPPING the MSRP for the 1080p 9Gs?

('07)PDP-5010 MSRP $5000
('08)PDP-5020 MSRP $4000

('07)PDP-6010 MSRP $6500
('08)PDP-6020 MSRP $5500

('07) PRO-110FD MSRP $6000
('08) PRO-111FD MSRP $5000

('07) PRO-150FD MSRP $7500
('08) PRO-151FD MSRP $6500

To me, it looks they cost significantly less than their 2007 "counterparts", wouldn't you agree?

CNET is awful, especially CRAVE. Cnet CRAVE wants to be engadget and gizmodo, but is always a day late on its news and often gets things incorrect. Do not pay much attention to Cnet.
post #240 of 7982
gwhzz35 First congrats that you can actually find a 150! They are great. Depends on your investment price. You dont have to tell me as thats against the rules but the 151 should be the same or cheaper, so why not wait? But if you dont want to wait as beginning supplies will be slim then go for it.
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