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post #7081 of 7982
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Originally Posted by jdmi View Post

That's very interesting. I, too, have the 3800, and I'm eager to test its scaling and deinterlacing capabilities relative to the 151. I'm in Lansing, and I'm still waiting for my TV. Where did you order yours from? So you're saying that sending DVD material from the Denon at 480i to the Kuro looks better than sending 1080i or 1080p?

I've tried it both ways, and there's very little difference, if any, that I can see, with the X-Files episodes. With other SD DVDs, though, (particularly Lord of the Rings, and Memories of a Geisha, which is one of the best looking SD DVDs ever, I think) the Denon does a slightly better job, I think.

I got my 151 from American TV & Electronics, in Marquette, MI. They ordered it from Pioneer, and it was sent to American's main store, which is in Madison, WI. It was then shipped up to me. American is an Elite dealer, but doesn't stock them in their stores, so it was a one-item order.
post #7082 of 7982
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I got to compare a 5010 and 5020 side-by-side the other day. I used the same remote to take them out of Dynamic mode. I adjusted them by eye to look as similar as possible. What did I think? Well, to be honest, besides the slightly better color saturation, I wasn't terribly impressed. The blacks were a little deeper, but if they weren't side-by-side I'd probably either not notice at all or only notice in a lowly lit environment.

I think one of the things that really urked me was the lack of picture options. As we all found out from D-Nice's review, everything is kind of locked out or hard wired and chosen by Pioneer to give the best overall picture. I am very unhappy about this. I feel that I can tweak the picture of the 5010 more to my liking. No, the blacks aren't as deep and there is a little red push, but I know how to remove the red push using the SM. As for the blacks, sure I wish I had the deeper ink, but the 5010 was actually sharper and more detailed to my eyes than the 5020. I'll take the sharper SD and HD picture over the slightly better blacks any day.

So am I the only one? If so, oh well. I just wanted to post my $0.02. I am a very happy 8th gen owner.

P.S. This is in no offense to anyone.


No, you are not the only one, but I have already offered $10 of my two cents.
post #7083 of 7982
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Originally Posted by antennahead View Post

Also, your comments about the sharpness pan out with some other comments I've read. While not as black, I personally prefer the additional adjustment capability and the very sharp picture.
John

A DRE setting of low or mid can add a degree of 'apparent' sharpness to the picture. Some find the effect artificial, others find it adds some pop to the picture. To each their own, but it is nice to have control of the setting. I use it for sports, but turn it off for movies.
post #7084 of 7982
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

There were manufacturing delays (among other items) after that post that has thrown a monkey wrench in 10 lumen tech. Next year, we will only see 5 lumen tech. We won't see 10 lumen tech until 2010 or 2011.

D-Nice,

I was going to ask this in a separate thread but since we are talking about the future plans...Do you or anyone else know if Pioneer plans on making a "wireless" plasma TV similar to Samsung's FP-T5894W?

I've read about Pioneer wanting to add value to using all Pioneer components and if they would integrate something like this into on of their AV receivers it could simplify a lot of installations.
post #7085 of 7982
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Originally Posted by Eddy13 View Post

one quick question i just bought the pioneer 5020 would a ps3 do 1080p 24 ot does it just do 1080p i was lookign for the best blue ray player for this set and ive heard the ps3 is up there..

The PS3 can output 1080p/24.
post #7086 of 7982
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Originally Posted by antennahead View Post

Had the price I paid for the 5010 been close to a 5020 I think I would have had a real dilemma.

John

Where did you find a 5010 signficantly cheaper than a 5020? I'd lean the same way, but never was I able to find a 5010 that was more than a couple hundred less than a 5020 (at forum sponsor price) which to me is close.
post #7087 of 7982
I was wondering if there's any sponsor who is in the delivery radius of zip code 92249 in California... Otherwise i'll have to go to Best Buy... last year I tried to order a 110FD online and they downgraded my order and it was a complete mess, don't want to go through that again....
post #7088 of 7982
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Originally Posted by reubendt View Post

I was wondering if there's any sponsor who is in the delivery radius of zip code 92249 in California... Otherwise i'll have to go to Best Buy... last year I tried to order a 110FD online and they downgraded my order and it was a complete mess, don't want to go through that again....

Contact a sponsor, a lot of them ship nationwide I think.
post #7089 of 7982
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Originally Posted by kyler13 View Post

Where did you find a 5010 signficantly cheaper than a 5020? I'd lean the same way, but never was I able to find a 5010 that was more than a couple hundred less than a 5020 (at forum sponsor price) which to me is close.

I am sure some local stores had some blow outs
post #7090 of 7982
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Originally Posted by reubendt View Post

I was wondering if there's any sponsor who is in the delivery radius of zip code 92249 in California... Otherwise i'll have to go to Best Buy... last year I tried to order a 110FD online and they downgraded my order and it was a complete mess, don't want to go through that again....

Contact the forum sponsor above my post....he has a good dealer network/friends almost all over the country
post #7091 of 7982
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Originally Posted by reubendt View Post

I was wondering if there's any sponsor who is in the delivery radius of zip code 92249 in California... Otherwise i'll have to go to Best Buy... last year I tried to order a 110FD online and they downgraded my order and it was a complete mess, don't want to go through that again....

www.pioneerelectronics.com type in your zip code it will show you your options.
post #7092 of 7982
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Originally Posted by kyler13 View Post

Where did you find a 5010 signficantly cheaper than a 5020? I'd lean the same way, but never was I able to find a 5010 that was more than a couple hundred less than a 5020 (at forum sponsor price) which to me is close.

My local Costco got 4 in, they were gone in 3 or 4 days.

John
post #7093 of 7982
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Originally Posted by antennahead View Post

As a 5010 owner who has not yet seen a 5020, but talked to some other owners prior to pulling the trigger on a fantastic deal......... I would have to say I agree with you. There is no argument that the 5020 has deeper blacks, but I don't watch in a totally blacked out room, just a dimmly lit one. The removal of too many adjustments in the 5020 was more than I could live with, and the price for an Elite was double my 5010. Also, your comments about the sharpness pan out with some other comments I've read. While not as black, I personally prefer the additional adjustment capability and the very sharp picture. To each his own, the 5020/6020 still beats everything out there except an Elite. Had the price I paid for the 5010 been close to a 5020 I think I would have had a real dilemma.

John

I just came from Costco, where they had 5010s. I've never looked at these at all before, but I like the picture so much on my new 151 that I've thought of getting a Kuro for my exercise room. Is that a decent price for those? I really have no idea since Pioneer doesn't have MSRPs for those on the web site.
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Originally Posted by HDPeeT View Post

What kind of Blu-ray player, and what are the settings on it?

It was a Toshiba A35 HD-DVD player. It was set to output maximum 1080p/24.
post #7095 of 7982
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Originally Posted by Mike25690 View Post

But upconverting SD, the Kuro really shines; I have a complete set of X-Files DVDs; a box set for each season. I think it was probably season 3 when they started shooting those episodes is 16:9 SD. I played one of these discs on my Denon 3800 Blu Ray player last night, and turned off the upconversion, allowing the Kuro to do it. These episodes looked about as close to HD quality as any SD TV material I've yet seen, they fill the screen, and they are from, I think, 1995-1996.

Since I don't have the Denon player, does anyone know if it's possible for the PS3 to send a raw 480i signal via HDMI to the Kuro?
post #7096 of 7982
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Really? Think I should pull the trigger at that price? Several posters seem to prefer it over the 5020, and this is for the exercise room, not the HT. And of course, can't beat that 90-day return policy.

Since the 5010's will be hard to find soon and that is a killer price, I would pull the trtigger.
post #7097 of 7982
Okay Mark gave me permission so this one is now stuck to replace the 8g thread.
post #7098 of 7982
Hurray sticky!

Boo Amazon and CEVA taking over 10 days to get me my 5020!
post #7099 of 7982
Yay stickied!!!
post #7100 of 7982
I'm with ya there buddy. Sort of. I paid for my 151 about a month ago.
Hasn't shipped yet, although the place that has my money has been prompt and helpful via email. I think supplies are just low and demand is high.
I'm also guessing the weather/fires out there in SoCal aren't helping either.



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Originally Posted by MelloFellow13 View Post

Hurray sticky!

Boo Amazon and CEVA taking over 10 days to get me my 5020!
post #7101 of 7982
You guys are going to be ticked but I think I'm going to replace this sticky with the non elite 9g thread. It's only fair to have an elite and non elite sticky.

Plus this thread hasn't exactly always run smoothly.

chris
post #7102 of 7982
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Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post

You guys are going to be ticked but I think I'm going to replace this sticky with the non elite 9g thread. It's only fair to have an elite and non elite sticky.

Plus this thread hasn't exactly always run smoothly.

chris

Who care's if it's sticky?

Take advantage of the User Control Panel..... you can make any thread you want sticky in your own personal page.
post #7103 of 7982
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Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post

You guys are going to be ticked but I think I'm going to replace this sticky with the non elite 9g thread. It's only fair to have an elite and non elite sticky.

Plus this thread hasn't exactly always run smoothly.

chris

why not sticky all three? I think the post count in this thread warrants it. Plus I think we need a thread about issues or comparisons that affect the entire kuro line, and do not easily fit into a specific elite or non-elite thread.

It may seem unfair to sticky 3 pioneer related threads, but it has been shown that the demand is there.
post #7104 of 7982
This is for D-Nice or anyone that knows the real answer to this question.
I have the ps3 and the 5020. I have been using D-Nice's movie settings and they are great. I only tweaked teh colour up to my liking. However, last night i was playing with teh ps3 settings during a movie so i could get direct comparisons. I went into video settings and was switching between RGB colour and Yp/Cb/Rc/Bp or whatever the letters are. and the setting i usually had the ps3 on was the Yp/Cb... so when i switched to RGB i noticed the colours in the movie had alot more pop to them. then went i swtiched back the colours were more soft. So i was thinking if I did not tweak D-Nice's colours up a couple notches on the RGB setting would the be the correct ps3 setting. So in other words, my question is should i be using the RGB colour or the Yp/Pb/Rc.. thing? Let me know, thanks
post #7105 of 7982
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Originally Posted by ercc View Post

why not sticky all three? I think the post count in this thread warrants it. Plus I think we need a thread about issues or comparisons that affect the entire kuro line, and do not easily fit into a specific elite or non-elite thread.

It may seem unfair to sticky 3 pioneer related threads, but it has been shown that the demand is there.

Honestly? This thread has caused issues in the past and I don't think it should be rewarded with a sticky regardless of thread views. Second reason is we don't want anymore stickies. The number stuck now is the same as yesterday afternoon. Just newer gen threads of the same brands

Hope this helps,

chris
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Woodrow

Any way of transferring DNice's first few posts to the sticky threads

Those first posts are very valueable
post #7107 of 7982
Can't merge posts but I posted a link to the general thread in the first post of both stickies. Each one referring to the first two posts of the general thread as guidance.

Hope this helps,

chris
post #7108 of 7982
just ot make sure it doesnt get missed:

This is for D-Nice or anyone that knows the real answer to this question.
I have the ps3 and the 5020. I have been using D-Nice's movie settings and they are great. I only tweaked teh colour up to my liking. However, last night i was playing with teh ps3 settings during a movie so i could get direct comparisons. I went into video settings and was switching between RGB colour and Yp/Cb/Rc/Bp or whatever the letters are. and the setting i usually had the ps3 on was the Yp/Cb... so when i switched to RGB i noticed the colours in the movie had alot more pop to them. then went i swtiched back the colours were more soft. So i was thinking if I did not tweak D-Nice's colours up a couple notches on the RGB setting would the be the correct ps3 setting. So in other words, my question is should i be using the RGB colour or the Yp/Pb/Rc.. thing? Let me know, thanks
post #7109 of 7982
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Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post

Honestly? This thread has caused issues in the past and I don't think it should be rewarded with a sticky regardless of thread views. Second reason is we don't want anymore stickies. The number stuck now is the same as yesterday afternoon. Just newer gen threads of the same brands

Hope this helps,

chris

Fair enough. Similar to the above post by irwinroad, my concern is that since D-nice posted most of his info in this thread, it has garnered the most attention of the 9g threads. But if there is a way to at least insert his first few posts of this thread to the other ones, that would be sweet. If he wanted this of course
post #7110 of 7982
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Originally Posted by ercc View Post

Fair enough. Similar to the above post by irwinroad, my concern is that since D-nice posted most of his info in this thread, it has garnered the most attention of the 9g threads. But if there is a way to at least insert his first few posts of this thread to the other ones, that would be sweet. If he wanted this of course

I responded to irwinroad two posts back..hope it solves the issue enough to be acceptable.

chris
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