The Official 9G Pioneer General Discussion Thread - Page 239

Originally Posted by chadmak09

When you press "display" on your remote, the resolution that it shows on the screen (480p/1080i/etc) is only to show you the resolution on the incoming signal.

Originally Posted by antennahead

......As a 5010 owner, would I be correct to assume the instructions on how to get to the SM on my model and the values for the grey scale calibration are somewhere in the 8G calibration/settings thread? ......

Originally Posted by Dovetails

D,

I trust your valuable input on this forum and I guess i'm looking for a little 'extra' reassurance .... I posted my auditioning experience today with the 5020 while at BB on the non-elite 9g thread. Tell me i'm off base and that this set will, in fact, really excel on 'movie' mode in a darkened HT environment i've re-read your review and noted you suggest avoiding 'dynamic' mode explicitly, (which I can usually understand under dark room conditions) however, at our local BB this mode simply looked stunning! Creating a 3D depth and richness to the pic that no other display in the store could match (even the 5010 sitting next to it). And, yes, I understand it should look impressive with the brighter environment.And,of course, 'Movie' mode (understandably) looked less than impressive considering the lighting. Bottom line is .... I guess i'm affraid of getting this set home and the recommended 'Movie' mode still looking a little too suttle for my taste and not having a viable alternative setting to use (considering your opinion on the remaining picture modes and the limited user adj.) Am I needlessly worrying about this

Originally Posted by dssturbo1

yes the SM access for 8g models is on page 2, post #58 of the 8g settings thread. d-nices reference settings are on page 1.

many post later in the thread have the offsets that owners are using when they do go into the SM.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

Everyone,

I'm happy to report that the 9G non-Elites can officially be calibrated

Colorspace selection may also be capable. I will report back later.

Originally Posted by Nuance

I got to compare a 5010 and 5020 side-by-side the other day. I used the same remote to take them out of Dynamic mode. I adjusted them by eye to look as similar as possible. What did I think? Well, to be honest, besides the slightly better color saturation, I wasn't terribly impressed. The blacks were a little deeper, but if they weren't side-by-side I'd probably either not notice at all or only notice in a lowly lit environment.

I think one of the things that really urked me was the lack of picture options. As we all found out from D-Nice's review, everything is kind of locked out or hard wired and chosen by Pioneer to give the best overall picture. I am very unhappy about this. I feel that I can tweak the picture of the 5010 more to my liking. No, the blacks aren't as deep and there is a little red push, but I know how to remove the red push using the SM. As for the blacks, sure I wish I had the deeper ink, but the 5010 was actually sharper and more detailed to my eyes than the 5020. I'll take the sharper SD and HD picture over the slightly better blacks any day.

So am I the only one? If so, oh well. I just wanted to post my $0.02. I am a very happy 8th gen owner.

P.S. This is in no offense to anyone.

Originally Posted by antennahead

As a 5010 owner who has not yet seen a 5020, but talked to some other owners prior to pulling the trigger on a fantastic deal......... I would have to say I agree with you. There is no argument that the 5020 has deeper blacks, but I don't watch in a totally blacked out room, just a dimmly lit one. The removal of too many adjustments in the 5020 was more than I could live with, and the price for an Elite was double my 5010. Also, your comments about the sharpness pan out with some other comments I've read. While not as black, I personally prefer the additional adjustment capability and the very sharp picture. To each his own, the 5020/6020 still beats everything out there except an Elite. Had the price I paid for the 5010 been close to a 5020 I think I would have had a real dilemma.

John

Originally Posted by PioBeer

I was in BB the other day as well, and I compared the 5010 to the 5020 and the 5020 IMO was the better TV by quite a good margin. (8G still better than everyother plasma besides 9Gs). It impressed me so much that I bought it and took it home right then and there (well, after about an hour of drooling.) Believe me, Movie mode with D-Nice settings can't be beat. The colors are so natural not over-saturated at all, and the gray-scale/shadow detail can't be beat. With those settings, it is simply the best TV/PQ I have ever experienced in my life. With movie mode you can just set it and forget it.

Originally Posted by prepress

These comments are very similar to my thinking on this issue. I saw the 8G 110 and 9G 111 almost side-by-side (a Panasonic 850 was between) and if it weren't for an interview scene with an all-black background, I wouldn't have noted much of a difference either. With the right kind of feed the 9G blacks will look obviously better, I think, but this isn't to say the 8G sets are bad. As important as they are, black levels are only one part of PQ, and for many (such as yourselves) picture controls are also important. I'm trying to weigh all important (to me) aspects of a TV, and mainain a sense of perspective about it all. Reality (aka "budget") has a lot to say as well. I hope to see both generations set up properly and fed the same variety of material next week; that should settle it for me once and for all. The remaining 8Gs won't be around forever, so a decision must be made soon.

Plus, there's that nagging issue of the 9G having fewer analog connections than the 8G (and other TVs as well).

Originally Posted by chadmak09

When you press "display" on your remote, the resolution that it shows on the screen (480p/1080i/etc) is only to show you the resolution on the incoming signal.
When it says "480i", that means what you are seeing is 480i upconverted to 1080p.
When it says "480p", that means what you are seeing is 480p upconverted to 1080p.
When it says "720i", that means what you are seeing is 720i upconverted to 1080p.
When it says "720p", that means what you are seeing is 720p upconverted to 1080p.
When it says "1080i", that means what you are seeing is 1080i upconverted to 1080p.
When it says "1080p", that means what you are seeing is 1080p upconverted to 1080p.

you are always seeing 1080p. the quality and resolution of the source is why you see differences

Originally Posted by Thebarnman

at 1080p, does it show 30fps or 60fps?

Originally Posted by progprog

No, just the resolution of the incoming signal.

Originally Posted by Thebarnman

So I was wondering if the 151FD also converts the FPS to 60 on all video sources.

Originally Posted by kyler13

They finally put up a 5020 (and it's currently on sale, surprisingly) at one of the BB's in the area here and I got to see it today. There was a 5010 above it, a Panasonic to the left (unsure of the model number) and Samsung plasma beyond that. On the BB loop where you see the field of red tulips (or whatever), the 5020 had a much richer red. The Panasonic and Samsung reds were actually brighter and a bit washed out in comparison. No idea what mode was set and I didn't even try to ask for the remote since it was a quick stop. The 5020 definitely had better blacks than the 5010 above it (and overall was brighter than the 5010) and trumped anything nearby including a Samsung LCD to the right. I did, however, notice a distinct glow at the end of the video loop when the screen goes black, and this is in the lit store, not the Magnolia room. On a side note, I hate looking at 50" plasmas lined up and stacked on a huge wall with other TVs. It makes the 50" look too small. Thus I'm back and forth between the 5020 and 6020.

Originally Posted by PioBeer

I was in BB the other day as well, and I compared the 5010 to the 5020 and the 5020 IMO was the better TV by quite a good margin. (8G still better than everyother plasma besides 9Gs). It impressed me so much that I bought it and took it home right then and there (well, after about an hour of drooling.) Believe me, Movie mode with D-Nice settings can't be beat. The colors are so natural not over-saturated at all, and the gray-scale/shadow detail can't be beat. With those settings, it is simply the best TV/PQ I have ever experienced in my life. With movie mode you can just set it and forget it.

Originally Posted by Thebarnman

Since the native resolution of the display is 1080p, I can only assume that everything is converted to 1080p.

However there's also the issue of FPS. I know video is generally 30fps.

So I was wondering if the 151FD also converts the FPS to 60 on all video sources.

Or does the 151FD show all video sources at 30fps?


(I know that film sources is shown at 72fps with the advanced setting, but that's something different.)

Originally Posted by Dovetails

Thanks to Piobeer and LKDog for taking the time for a response to my post.

Frankly, I think i'm trying to over analyze this decision (to MUCH reading on the forum) Far easier to just go buy one of the damn things and see for myself

Originally Posted by CoreY2K

just got a 5020 from Amazon with the CEVA white glove shipping and here was my experience. fyi, i'm located in West L.A.

- placed order Tue Jul 1, shipped the next day from "Columbus". i'm guessing that was Ohio.
- CEVA called on Mon Jul 7 to schedule delivery... we settled on Wed Jul 9 from 1-5pm
- on Wed, CEVA gave me a call right at 1p saying they'd be there in 20 minutes. they showed up at 2p. when i went down to the truck, i only noticed one box on the truck... it was a Panasonic 800U! "WTF guys?" apparently, they had dropped off my 5020 by mistake at their last delivery. luckily it was just a drop off and not the white glove install there. they went back and got my 5020 (just down the street) and brought it in. no cracks and no dead pixels.

Amazon/CEVA Pros: communication, delivery time, seemed to be careful with the product
Amazon/CEVA Cons: they might almost give your plasma to someone else

Originally Posted by CoreY2K

just got a 5020 from Amazon with the CEVA white glove shipping and here was my experience. fyi, i'm located in West L.A.

- placed order Tue Jul 1, shipped the next day from "Columbus". i'm guessing that was Ohio.
- CEVA called on Mon Jul 7 to schedule delivery... we settled on Wed Jul 9 from 1-5pm
- on Wed, CEVA gave me a call right at 1p saying they'd be there in 20 minutes. they showed up at 2p. when i went down to the truck, i only noticed one box on the truck... it was a Panasonic 800U! "WTF guys?" apparently, they had dropped off my 5020 by mistake at their last delivery. luckily it was just a drop off and not the white glove install there. they went back and got my 5020 (just down the street) and brought it in. no cracks and no dead pixels.

Amazon/CEVA Pros: communication, delivery time, seemed to be careful with the product
Amazon/CEVA Cons: they might almost give your plasma to someone else

Originally Posted by jrcorwin

Question....I'm thinking of getting a 6010 via Amazon, but I want to check something. Everyone around here has just great experiences with Amazon, but I have never purchased anything from there. I've noticed that even if you are buying on Amazon.com...the "seller" may be someone else other than them. Is it still the same thing? Are you still going to be dealing with Amazon for everything...including any possible returns?

Originally Posted by progprog

NO! If you're buying from another seller there, you are subject to that seller's return policies, NOT Amazon's. Very important distinction.

Originally Posted by miata

De-interlacing is one thing, but scaling is another. When we are talking about the difference between 480p and 1080p we talking about scaling -- and that the Kuros do very well.

I also compared my 8G Kuro's de-interlacing to the PS3 and found the Kuro to be better. The image had more detail and was more realistic with well authored titles like Star Wars. I wasn't so much looking at torture tests as real world viewing. I remember the Kuro having troubles with certain cadences compared to the HD-XA2 or the OPPO 983, but I don't put much value on that compared to the overall image that you get with the vast majority of released DVDs. I guess it depends on what is important to you. I personally tend to spend more time watching movies than calibration discs

Originally Posted by jrcorwin

Question....I'm thinking of getting a 6010 via Amazon, but I want to check something. Everyone around here has just great experiences with Amazon, but I have never purchased anything from there. I've noticed that even if you are buying on Amazon.com...the "seller" may be someone else other than them. Is it still the same thing? Are you still going to be dealing with Amazon for everything...including any possible returns?