The OFFICIAL Emotiva Speaker Owner's thread! - Page 17

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

One time the sub came up as being 30 ft. away which is the max. And it is only 12.5' away. I know it isn't my technique as I've been using auto calibration in various forms for many years.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

And using the quick calibration yields the same results of less than stellar bass.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Out of 12 or so times, only once did the bass sound as it should. Both my Elite 94 and Elite 23 works flawlessly each time.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

For multiEQ, i moved my couch away from the wall, put the mic on a tripod first at the far left corner which is my main listening stop, moved it 3 ft to center, 3 ft again to the right (all along the back wall about 18" from the wall.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

The next 3 spots were in front of the couch in the same three relative locations to the back (left side of couch, three feet over, then another 3 feet over.) Not sure if anything in my technique is causing this. If you see anything, please comment. Thanks!!!!

Originally Posted by joeyvaz


For multiEQ, i moved my couch away from the wall, put the mic on a tripod first at the far left corner which is my main listening stop, moved it 3 ft to center, 3 ft again to the right (all along the back wall about 18" from the wall. The next 3 spots were in front of the couch in the same three relative locations to the back (left side of couch, three feet over, then another 3 feet over.

Originally Posted by Gooddoc

Are you moving your couch out of the way to take your measurements? Hard to tell by your description, but if so, that should not be done. The couch needs to be in its normal position as it will impact standing waves, particularly near a boundary. Also, what do you mean by "far left corner"? Is that referencing the room or couch?

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

The Audyssey technique is unique to Audyssey in various ways. I'd recommend the Setup Guide linked in the first post of the Official Audyssey Thread here on AVS.

I've read the thread after experiencing these problems. I've followed the suggestions as best I can.



I’d expect anything less than the full number of mic positions to produce a poor result.

6 positions in my listening area seems fine when it did work that one time.


What do you mean by sounding "as it should"? Are you experienced at listening to flat bass? Many people become accustomed to lumpy bass and when they first hear Audyssey's very flat bass they often think something "is missing".

By sounding as it should I mean that the sub doesn't bottom out and make VERY strange sounds. I have two ED A2-300 subs in my two setups for the last three years or so. I know exactly how they should sound: nice, deep, full bass that blends in well with my music. And basically undetectable in movies scenes. Easy for me to tell if they are configured correctly with two movie scenes: Sewer scene in Battle Los Angeles add First action scene in GI Joe. Laser guns that have DEEP bass with the shots. When working correctly and with my Elite receivers, those are two of my favorite scenes to show off my system.



That sounds OK (I assume you mean the far corner of the couch not the room?) And the mic is at ear height and pointing up to the ceiling?

Yes corners of the couch, not room.



That does sound OK - the MLP and then 2 other positions on the couch with the mic about 2 feet from the back wall and three more spots mirroring those but 3 feet in front, is more or less how I do mine. I then use the remaining two spots to 'fill in' around the MLP (I care more about the MLP than getting a smooth sound over the entire room as I am either listening alone or with my wife, who doesn't really care too much about the SQ

But there is something wrong here somewhere. How are you setting the sub prior to running Audyssey? It needs to be set to deliver about 75dB from the MLP (bear in mind the usual SPL meters don't work too well with subs and can give readings several dB off).

I've set it to 75bd as per the first instruction on screen. I go by what it says on the screen while I tweak the gain on the sub. I've also tried it with the on screen reading saying 70db and another time at 80db. Same results during those same two bass heavy scenes.

Which flavour of Audyssey does your AVR have? Is it XT or plain MultEQ? I ask because you mention 6 mic positions which is what MultEQ offers IIRC.

MultiEQ.

It might be worth taking this over to the Official Audyssey Thread and seeing what the other guys there think - I;m running out of suggestions (assuming you have a good mic).

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Yes, I do move the couch forward about 3 feet to do the first 3 positions. This is so the mic is on the tripod at the main listening position and standing on the floor and not on the couch itself. I believe I read this in the Audessy thread. I move it back against the wall to do the last three positions which are in front of the couch. For what it's worth. I did the calibration 5-6 times with the couch against the wall and the tripod on the couch itself. I still get the same results with the bass issues. So I know that moving the couch isn't the issue.

Originally Posted by Gooddoc

Both of those things can skew your results. It may not be the cause of your problem, but a problem nonetheless. Putting the tripod on the couch can cause distance anomolies with Audyssey due to conduction/vibration in the lower octaves. As well, your couch can act as a bass trap against the wall and moving it can cause significant differences in the FR. You should use a tripod with a boom arm so you can take the measurements with the couch in place.

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

@joeyvaz - +1. A lot of use something similar to this:

http://www.amazon.com/Stage-Stands-7.../dp/B000978D58

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Thanks Keith. Ordering one now on ebay. How do you connect the mic to it? Is there a threaded collor on the end? I'm thinking I can take my tripod's mount off and clamp it on the boom mic and make sure it is pointing up.

Just ordered a new mic from Onkyo. I had to pay since it was more than 30 days since I purchased the unit. Wasn't too happy that I had to pay, but thankfully it was only $18.63. I'm working in NYC starting tomorrow so I'm going to stop at BH Photo and pick up a boom mic. Hopefully this will solve my problem once and for all. After that, a new new XPA-5 will be ordered right after the holidays.

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

The Audyssey technique is unique to Audyssey in various ways. I'd recommend the Setup Guide linked in the first post of the Official Audyssey Thread here on AVS.



I'd expect anything less than the full number of mic positions to produce a poor result.



What do you mean by sounding "as it should"? Are you experienced at listening to flat bass? Many people become accustomed to lumpy bass and when they first hear Audyssey's very flat bass they often think something "is missing".



That sounds OK (I assume you mean the far corner of the couch not the room?) And the mic is at ear height and pointing up to the ceiling?



That does sound OK - the MLP and then 2 other positions on the couch with the mic about 2 feet from the back wall and three more spots mirroring those but 3 feet in front, is more or less how I do mine. I then use the remaining two spots to 'fill in' around the MLP (I care more about the MLP than getting a smooth sound over the entire room as I am either listening alone or with my wife, who doesn't really care too much about the SQ

But there is something wrong here somewhere. How are you setting the sub prior to running Audyssey? It needs to be set to deliver about 75dB from the MLP (bear in mind the usual SPL meters don't work too well with subs and can give readings several dB off).

Which flavour of Audyssey does your AVR have? Is it XT or plain MultEQ? I ask because you mention 6 mic positions which is what MultEQ offers IIRC.

It might be worth taking this over to the Official Audyssey Thread and seeing what the other guys there think - I;m running out of suggestions (assuming you have a good mic).

Originally Posted by taxman48

My bro-in-law just got his 8.3's and asked a quick question..Why do the 8" woofers measure 7" diameter and the 5.25 speakers measure 4.25? Also he has to call up the company because on of the grill covers has bunched up cloth below the Emotiva emblem instead of pulled tight..thanks in advance

Originally Posted by taxman48

My bro-in-law just got his 8.3's and asked a quick question..Why do the 8" woofers measure 7" diameter and the 5.25 speakers measure 4.25? Also he has to call up the company because on of the grill covers has bunched up cloth below the Emotiva emblem instead of pulled tight..thanks in advance

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Are you measuring the cone area or from the outer edge of the surround to the opposite side's outer edge? That's the only thing I can think of. I'm sure they will send him a new grill if the cloth came bunched up. Not so sure they can do anything for my weak magnets. They are probably the same on all the grills. Do his grills come off easily?

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

Joe, do you have an older set of speakers?? I can't recall which you have. Way back, the magnets were weak but Emo changed them at some point. All the magnets on my 6.3s and ERD-1s are very strong indeed. If you have older speakers with the weaker magnets, if you speak very nicely to Emo they may be able to help you out, as this was acknowledged by them to be a design fault.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Hey Keith,


I just got these as an early Christmas present from the wife. So they are new. But maybe I was sent the old style grills? Who knows, but these things fall off ridiculously easy. I spent the whole weekend telling my family and friends to be careful with my speakers during our poker game, lol.

I'm calling them in a couple of hours and see what they say. Velcro at the corners will help if they don't stand up to their product's issues.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Spoke to Emotiva and sent them some pics. While on the phone they suggested that I back out the screws that hold the aluminum baffle onto the speaker. These screws are what make contact with the magnets on the grill. While I had him on the line, I noticed the screw heads were really recessed, scratched, and some were rounded over. So much so that the allen key wouldn't back it out!!! I told him this and I also stated that I didn't want to back them out so much to make contact and risk having the baffle vibrate while listening to the speakers loudly. Legitimate concern, wouldn't you think?

I put this all in an email with hi res pics. I even sent a pic of a cracked grill frame that I just noticed!!! Not happy with quality control at this point. I hope I didn't get refurbed speakers at full (clearance) pricing. That would NOT be cool or acceptable. I will see what their response is and keep the thread informed.

*****Can anyone who owns 6.2s confirm: 1. Are the screws recessed into the aluminum baffle? 2. Or are they flush with the aluminum baffle? 3.Are the screw heads scratched or rounded over?

Thanks!!!!

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

I just went and checked my 6.3s for you. The screw heads are more or less flush with the aluminium baffle. They are not scratched in any way and definitely not rounded over. When you say 'rounded over' I assume you mean they look like the wrong tool was used to tighten them? Definitely not, here.

Backing out the screws may make the magnets work better - but when you do it, do the baffles then become loose? If so that isn’t an acceptable solution (longer screws would be). There definitely seems to be some QC issues there. As they don;t affect SQ in any way, maybe a nice further discount would suit you?

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Yeah Keith, either the wrong tool, a worn out one, or even user error can round out an allen screw. This is how mine look. They look like absolute crap to be honest. Not even looking for a further discount, I'd prefer they send out a new set of speakers actually. That would suit me much better. I'll post their response as soon as they reply. Hopefully it will be taken care of promptly and the way it should: make the customer happy.

I hope they do the right thing. I have a Def Tech Mythos set up in my main home theater that I was considering swapping out to all Emo gear after the holiday. Got the blessing from the boss (wife) and all!!! But only if I feel this MUCH less expensive matter is handled accordingly. I mean, I'm not going to invest $5-6K in a new 7.2 setup with one company if they can't take care of me on a $400 pair of book shelf speakers that I received in unsatisfactory condition. Just the way I do business, but we shall see.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Not to forget: these are NEW! I ordered them last week of November, received them the following week, I went to Hawaii for two weeks before being able to open and inspect them. And they have been playing now for less than two weeks only.

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

When you unpacked the speakers, was there a very thin foam cloth between the grille and the aluminium baffle?

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

No there wasn't Keith. I just double checked the box (I keep everything from my electronic equipment) and there was nothing there. Just the black cloth bag and the manual and foam strips.

Originally Posted by KK in CT

Is anyone using their ERD-1's as front height speakers? I have a pair as side surrounds and love them. I was thinking of getting another pair for front heights with the clearance going on. But I wasn't sure how bipole or dipole would be for that application. Anyone have experience with this?