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post #541 of 582
Well, if they are "height" speakers then having them high will only expand the height of your soundstage further. Try them both ways. First, hang them flat, then construct a wedge to place behind them that will allow you to aim it at you. See which way you like better.
post #542 of 582
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Originally Posted by KK in CT View Post

I have to wonder though, if I have these speakers 12 feet up, should they really be aimed down? Or because they are bipole it doesn't matter as much? I know they are designed to be mounted flat against the wall above ear height, I'm just wondering if going that high will cause some loss of detail. I'm trying to determine if I should get an additional mount that tilts, where I could mount the ERD-1 mount to the tilting mount and mount the tilting mount to the wall. If that makes sense.

Has anyone done this these speakers?

I don't know. I don't seem to suffer any ill effects from having mine flush mounted - but do note that mine are mounted approx 8 feet up not 12, which may make a difference). Same goes for these speakers used as surrounds (in dipole mode) - they are flush mounted. Remember the sound from the Height speakers is not all that directional - it is ambient sound similar to the surrounds or rear surrounds. Using bipoles for the Height channels isn’t strictly according to spec anyway (although Audyssey told me they would "probably be OK"). By their nature bipoles/dipoles give a more diffuse sound. The ERD-1s also have the mid/woofer facing forwards though and that also contributes an element of direct sound when required. I find that is a great benefit when using these speakers as surrounds (their intended use). If it worries you, then by all means make or try to buy some brackets that allow the speakers to be angled down towards the MLP. The sole reason I bought the ERD-1s for use as my Height speakers is that I believe that matching the voicing of speakers is very important in surround sound, and the best way to do that is to use the speakers of one manufacturer. I would have preferred to use direct radiators for my height channels but Emotiva doesn’t make a suitable speaker like that for my use.
post #543 of 582
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I don't know. I don't seem to suffer any ill effects from having mine flush mounted - but do note that mine are mounted approx 8 feet up not 12, which may make a difference). Same goes for these speakers used as surrounds (in dipole mode) - they are flush mounted. Remember the sound from the Height speakers is not all that directional - it is ambient sound similar to the surrounds or rear surrounds. Using bipoles for the Height channels isn't strictly according to spec anyway (although Audyssey told me they would "probably be OK"). By their nature bipoles/dipoles give a more diffuse sound. The ERD-1s also have the mid/woofer facing forwards though and that also contributes an element of direct sound when required. I find that is a great benefit when using these speakers as surrounds (their intended use). If it worries you, then by all means make or try to buy some brackets that allow the speakers to be angled down towards the MLP. The sole reason I bought the ERD-1s for use as my Height speakers is that I believe that matching the voicing of speakers is very important in surround sound, and the best way to do that is to use the speakers of one manufacturer. I would have preferred to use direct radiators for my height channels but Emotiva doesn't make a suitable speaker like that for my use.

I appreciate your feedback. The more I think about it, the more I come to the same conclusion as you - that they will sound great mounted flush. Especially because of the type of speaker that they are. I'm thinking I want the height sound to sound "high", so not aiming them down but having the difuse sound will definitely help with that. I too went with these as heights to match my ERD-1 side surrounds.
Again, thanks for your input. Much appreciated.
post #544 of 582
I wanted to post my observations for what it's worth on the ERD-1's. I will be getting my other pair this week and will install those as heights next weekend. However, I already had some as side surrounds, but I had them on stands because I hadn't gotten around to wiring them where they needed to go (the right surround needed to go above a window and the left above a large opening to our kitchen). This weekend I finally mounted them up on the walls - WOW what a difference. I thought they sounded great before, but now I see why they are meant to be mounted against a wall. The dynamics seem to have really come to life. I couldn't believe it. And after I re-ran Audyssey, these speakers came in at 90hz instead of 110-120hz. So it definitely made a difference. Can't wait to get the heights this week and get them up too.
post #545 of 582
I received my ERD-1 yesterday. What an awesome set of speaker for the price!!!! They were in perfect condition. And the magnets hold the grills in place VERY strongly. Much more so than even my replacement 6.2 speakers. BUT my new 6.2 speakers have yet to have the grills fall off. Not even once. So I know I wasn't imaging something was wrong with the first set I received.
post #546 of 582
I'm really interested in the new X-ref xrt 6.2 speakers --I'm just wondering if they are too bright for music. I like speakers with a smother top end. I read neekos review on these speakers, but he didn't really mention the brightness in his final review after several days. I currently have the Polk RTi A5... I'm not quite happy with them. I watch movies 70% of the time so it would be good to listen to some songs once in a while.

I would be happy if any one chimes in!
post #547 of 582
I've never heard the x-ref speakers but they use the same tweeter as my reference speakers. I have the ERTs - 6.3 center - ERD surrounds and a pair of the first reference speaker - the ERM-1 bookshelf. For the money one of the best bargains in speakers IMO. I'd have to classify the Emotiva tweeter as neutral sounding. Neither bright nor dull. Just right to my ears.

Room interactions will have a lot of say as to how a speaker will sound. If you have lots of glass - hardwood or tile floors and expanses of bare walls you'll get a bright sound even out of a laid back speaker. A horn loaded tweeter might sound dull in a room full of pillows. Treat the room before spending money on new speakers that might not make a difference.
post #548 of 582
how do the x-ref surrounds compare to the ERD-1s? Has anyone done a comparison of the two?
post #549 of 582
Hello all,

I'm wanting to upgrade from a HTIB to a more audiophile quality system. They will be used for 80% movies/tv & 20% music. The room dimensions are 20'X20'X9' with the rear wall open to a dining room.

I've read some reviews of the X-Ref series and they sound like they would be a good fit with my budget. Will the 6.2 or 5.2 Center/LCR be best for a room that sized? Any other advice would also be appreciated.
post #550 of 582
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

how do the x-ref surrounds compare to the ERD-1s? Has anyone done a comparison of the two?

I doubt anyone here is going to be able to answer this question. Try the Emotiva Lounge - there are a few people who have compared the two speakers. Most of them come to the conclusion they are very much the same sound.

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Originally Posted by sandtrooper View Post

Hello all,

I'm wanting to upgrade from a HTIB to a more audiophile quality system. They will be used for 80% movies/tv & 20% music. The room dimensions are 20'X20'X9' with the rear wall open to a dining room.

I've read some reviews of the X-Ref series and they sound like they would be a good fit with my budget. Will the 6.2 or 5.2 Center/LCR be best for a room that sized? Any other advice would also be appreciated.

A better fit for your budget would be 3 of the 6.2s across the front. Since Emotiva is sold out of the ERD-1 surround speakers the new x-ref surrounds should fit in just fine.
post #551 of 582
Anyone with erm 6.2 ever own KEF IQ70 or 90 before or after the Emos? I'm thinking of giving them a try. BUT I am very happy with the Emo ERM6.2 for the past year. I just get the itch to try something new at least ever 12 months. The Emos will probably stay in my house somewhere. Even if they are boxed and put in the attic for future use. I already have 2 full setup in this house....
post #552 of 582
Any here with the XRC 6.2 as a centre channel? The price just dropped to $249. I have some just OK towers, the the centre channel is not horrible, but I have wanted better voice clarity.
Doing some research, I believe these to be one of the best bargains in audio at this price. I am having a hard time resisting.
If the crossover is set to 80 Hz in my receiver, what benefit do I get over the 5.2, as neither will play under this? A low frequency centre channel does not make a lot of sense.
post #553 of 582
ANyone here with the xrm 4.1 as surrounds was looking for input on how they perform. they will be replacing sls q line gold speakers as surrounds was wondering if it would be an upgrade or pretty much the same thanks guys and girls in advance
post #554 of 582
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Originally Posted by Amidujusu89 View Post

I'm really interested in the new X-ref xrt 6.2 speakers --I'm just wondering if they are too bright for music. I like speakers with a smother top end. I read neekos review on these speakers, but he didn't really mention the brightness in his final review after several days. I currently have the Polk RTi A5... I'm not quite happy with them. I watch movies 70% of the time so it would be good to listen to some songs once in a while.


I would be happy if any one chimes in!


There is no brightness per say with the tweeters. They do get a bit lively at higher volumes which could lead to some fatigue at extended listening sessions. But for normal playback, they are fine. Ironically, the tweeters looked to be the same as the ERM reference speakers, but to me, the ERM refs were smoother and more refined. This is probably due to the better crossover in the ERM's.
Edited by neekos - 1/15/13 at 4:12pm
post #555 of 582
Someone with the xrt 6.2 hopefully can help. But why should these speakers be set to small with a velodyne impact 10 sub. I ask this because when doing calibration using mcacc they set them as large, Isnt this defeating the purpose of having full range speakers i might as well get satellite speakers. Can someone explain why please... to give me a better understanding if i should keep them at large or change them to small after doing the calibration.
My complete set up is vsx1121k using mcacc for calibration]
xrt 6.2 for l/r channel
xrc 5.2 for center
xrm 4.1 for surrounds
xpa-5 pushing the five speakers
and impact 10 sub
post #556 of 582
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Originally Posted by cdjocp View Post

Someone with the xrt 6.2 hopefully can help. But why should these speakers be set to small with a velodyne impact 10 sub. I ask this because when doing calibration using mcacc they set them as large, Isnt this defeating the purpose of having full range speakers i might as well get satellite speakers. Can someone explain why please... to give me a better understanding if i should keep them at large or change them to small after doing the calibration.
My complete set up is vsx1121k using mcacc for calibration]
xrt 6.2 for l/r channel
xrc 5.2 for center
xrm 4.1 for surrounds
xpa-5 pushing the five speakers
and impact 10 sub

 

Although this is the Audyssey FAQ, the answer is the same:

 

c)3.   I have big tower speakers at the front. Shouldn't I set these to Large'?

post #557 of 582
Hey there, I use 4 4.1s for my surround system, they mate with 6.2 towers and a center up front. I had been running some Infinity speakers, and the switch was an upgrade for me. But then, I have matching tweeters all around. This is really important, the matching aspect will make or break your surround system. The good news is you can order the cheap little jewels and try them out.

Trey
post #558 of 582
ok on emotiva's web site I only see the reference speakers and only option for center is the 5.2 what happend to the 6.2?
post #559 of 582
6.2 sold out and gone. New speakers are on the way.

Trey
post #560 of 582
what kind of new speakers?


Thanks!!
post #561 of 582
This, I do NOT know. You can check out the Emotiva discussion boards to see if there are any hints and rumors. I am not that motivated to check beause I just got my 7 Emotiva speakers up and running and am not looking to upgrade for a few years.

Trey
post #562 of 582
i was wondering where you guys got the emotiva 8.3 tower speakers? i checked their website and all i see is the xrt 6.2 and xrt 5.2. they have only two mid drivers and a tweeter compared to the 8.3 with two woofers, two drivers, and a tweeter. is the 8.3 discontinued????

im leaning more of an all out emotiva gear. speakers and XPR5 based on this thread.

my gear:

yamaha RX-A1000
Adcom 555ii powering polk SDA2a - i'll replaced that with emotiva gear.

15x20' room.

klipsch center and polk rti4 surround -terrible huh? bought them last year without any idea about sound timber matching.

honestly, AVS forum educated me on my quest to home theater and music nirvana!
post #563 of 582
Hey Jay, the 8.3 has indeed been discontinued. I saw a few left when I went to Emofest, but they have not been on the website for a long time. In fact, the XRT 6.2 and XRM 6.1 and 4.1 (I own them all and love them) are officially on clearance! There is a new line of speakers on tap that will use the same type tweeter as the AirMotive's do, a folded ribbon transducer, and is rumoured to be a lot like the discontinued speakers. I seem to remember that they will come out in late summer, fall, but I am not sure.

People love the Airmotives and the Emotiva Pro Stealth series, but these are powered speakers. Now if you are thrifty like me, I bet they will lower the price on the current models to get rid of them! But as I said, people are crazy for the folded tweeter, and the new speakers might be worth waiting for.

Trey
post #564 of 582
when you say powered speakers, does that mean it requires a power outlet to plug in to? - forgive me for my ignorance.

i'll be going this july to emotiva at franklin, TN. already emailed them that i may pay them a visit. they said its not a problem and told me to bring my favorite movies and music to test drive their amps and speakers. been so excited about it. can't wait. and i think i'm gonna get the xpr-5 per wife's approval. but i think once she hears the setup over there, it's gonna be harder to resist.
post #565 of 582
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Originally Posted by jaygax View Post

when you say powered speakers, does that mean it requires a power outlet to plug in to? - forgive me for my ignorance.
 

 

Yes - they plug into an electrical outlet to power their bult-in amps.

 

Powered speakers are not necessarily the same as 'active' speakers but the two terms are often used interchangeably and for the purposes of this discussion we can consider them to be the same. Powered or 'active' speakers have built-in amplifiers and (usually) one amplifier for the upper frequency driver and a separate amplifier for the lower frequency driver, controlled by an electronic crossover. The benefits of this arrangement are that the designer of the speaker knows precisely which amplifiers will be used with the drivers, so he can tailor any DSP in the amps to be perfect 'fit' with the particular driver. Even if the amps do not have any form of DSP in them, the knowledge of the amp/driver combination will still yield benefits sonically. For this reason, active loudspeakers often display superior performance over equivalent 'passive' speakers. You will often see active speakers used in professional studios. Other benefits include not having to have a power amplifier in the system at all - the preamp or prepro connects directly to the speaker via RCA or XLR connector, much like the usual arrangement with a powered subwoofer. Small drawback is that each speaker needs an electrical outlet located somewhere reasonably nearby. Another downside is that active loudspeakers can be very expensive: for example, M&K make an active version of my own M&K S150 speakers, but one of their active speakers costs almost as much as three of the passive designs which I own. Of course, there is no need for power amps to drive the active versions, but even so, they work out considerably more expensive. Emotiva has scored a significant step forward, IMO, with the introduction of their active designs at very affordable prices.

 

For anyone interested in reading more, here are a couple of useful articles:

 

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/Magazine/manufacture/0403/index.html

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_speakers#Differences_between_passive.2C_powered_and_active_speakers

post #566 of 582
wow! thanks for the very educational reply.

i'm very much interested in these powered speakers for my stereo music listening room.

should i ditch my vintage polk SDA2a's and adcomGFA555ii amp and just go with emotiva's powered speakers? i know it's gonna give me a lot of extra space for that. what do you think?
post #567 of 582
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Originally Posted by jaygax View Post

wow! thanks for the very educational reply.

i'm very much interested in these powered speakers for my stereo music listening room.

should i ditch my vintage polk SDA2a's and adcomGFA555ii amp and just go with emotiva's powered speakers? i know it's gonna give me a lot of extra space for that. what do you think?

 

Only you can decide really. I do think the Emo powered speakers seem pretty good. The Airmotivs are fairly compact and would suit a smaller room but the real kickass ones are the Stealths - especially the big one. But they are pretty big at something like, IIRC, 16 inches tall, 12 inches wide and 15 inches deep. I would love to try three of those across the front of my system!

 

I think you would find that any of them would give you a superior performance to equivalently sized or priced passive speakers. Once you have heard decent active speakers you will never go back. I have spent, over the years, a fair amount of time in pro studios where I used to produce radio and cinema commercials as part of my work and most of them switched to active speakers. Personally I would definitely consider the Emotivas for a stereo setup such as you envisage. 

 

Here's the entire range:

 

http://www.emotivapro.com/collections/all

post #568 of 582
kbarnes, I did not realize the distinction! Thanks for taking the time to provide all the info!

Trey
post #569 of 582
Jaygax. bringing the wife to hear the setup at Emotiva home base is brilliant! The folks there are so nice. Have a wonderful listen.

Trey
post #570 of 582
talking about size, i almost pulled the trigger last month on a pair of cerwin vega xls215's. but when i measured their corresponding size, i seemed kind of hesitant a little bit. when i told my wife about it, she said a big NO! and i prefer sound quality first before loudness.
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