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post #121 of 191
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 View Post

As DD+ bitstreaming to Pioneer 9120TXH has only 'helicopter" sound, choose PCM Re-encode, sometimes I can hear low volume poping sound, definitely not loud or DTS bomb, feel like BH200 decoding issue, does anyone have the same issue?

Why are you using re-encode? Just use PCM via HDMI and you still get TrueHD and/or DD+.
post #122 of 191
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Do you mean PCM Multi-Channel or DTS Re-encode?

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Originally Posted by emptychair View Post

Why are you using re-encode? Just use PCM via HDMI and you still get TrueHD and/or DD+.

Sorry I meant PCM decode, let the player decode DD+ and PCM via HDMI.
post #123 of 191
So you're saying you get a "low volume popping sound" when using "PCM Multi-Ch" for DD+ material, understood. Does it only happen with DD+?

Sorry I cannot actually help with your problem though. I use Optical and do use DTS Re-encode.
post #124 of 191
OK. I played "Harsh Times" and "Killing Me Softly" over the weekend and didn't experience any chapter skip dropouts. My suspicion is that it's Universal International titles that are giving me problems, but I need to verify that. I'm going to try "Hot Fuzz" (UK) and "American Gangster" (UK) to see if I can replicate the problem.
post #125 of 191
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 View Post

Sorry I meant PCM decode, let the player decode DD+ and PCM via HDMI.

Multichannel PCM via HDMI works (so far) perfectly for me for DD+ and TrueHD, no helicopter and/or popping sounds.

Do we know whether or not the DD+ bitstream helicopter issue affects Blu-ray discs too?

Also, has anyone had any problems (either Blu-ray or HD DVD) bitstreaming DTS MA with the BH200? I only have Pan's Labyrinth HD DVD and it worked fine but one disc isn't a large enough of a sample pool .
post #126 of 191
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Please report back how you get one.

I have the USA American Gangster as despite the annoying Combo disc format, I wanted both cuts. Hopefully Universals forthcoming BD will have both cuts in HD, although I bet it just has the DC (aka Theatrical Cut).

I'm surprised Killing Me Softly worked . Heather Graham is lovely but the film is far from anything close . I'm presuming Killing Me Softly is from Japan?

Yes, "Killing Me Softly" is a Japanese release, although I'm not sure why it was released there in high definition...OK...maybe I can think of two reasons...

Not a very good flick that's for sure. Even Heather Graham's numerous nude scenes couldn't save it.

Now I just need 3 hours or so free to watch American Gangster...*sigh*
post #127 of 191
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Originally Posted by emptychair View Post

Multichannel PCM via HDMI works (so far) perfectly for me for DD+ and TrueHD, no helicopter and/or popping sounds.

Do we know whether or not the DD+ bitstream helicopter issue affects Blu-ray discs too?

Also, has anyone had any problems (either Blu-ray or HD DVD) bitstreaming DTS MA with the BH200? I only have Pan's Labyrinth HD DVD and it worked fine but one disc isn't a large enough of a sample pool .

DD+ bitstream helicopter issue occurred in my case on Blu ray as well.

DTS HD MA works fine for me. Just curious, did you get 5.1 or 7.1 on the movie itself on Pan's Labyrinth? if 7.1, is there actual sound from rear speakers?
post #128 of 191
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Please report back how you get one.

I have the USA American Gangster as despite the annoying Combo disc format, I wanted both cuts. Hopefully Universals forthcoming BD will have both cuts in HD, although I bet it just has the DC (aka Theatrical Cut).

I'm surprised Killing Me Softly worked . Heather Graham is lovely but the film is far from anything close . I'm presuming Killing Me Softly is from Japan?

The Universal BD will have both cuts in high def. (Post-edit note: I read this somewhere online. As usual, I can't find it now. I'm not sure whether it was Formatwarcentral or Highdefdigest, etc. Sigh.) Not to get off topic, but I loved combos. I could loan them out to all my friends that still had SD.

What issue are you having with AG? It plays w/o an issue in my April firmware US BH200.
post #129 of 191
I love combos too because I can watch the movie all around my house as I used to just have 1 high def player (not counting PS3) and like 8 DVD players spreadout all around the house.
post #130 of 191
Since this is the official bug tacking thread I'm going to list an issue that I opened a separate thread about: Image Retention. Here are my comments from the thread I opened:

I love my BH-200, but I have noticed a strange quirk; it seems to suffer from Image Retention. This is generally not something you would notice during the playback of a film, but when still opening credits or menus are displayed a small shadow of their shape will remain on-screen until a moving object erases this. I have Samsung LCD and previously used a Toshiba HD-A2 as my HDM Player and never had this problem using that combination. My connections and TV settings are the same; in fact when I got my 200 I simply removed my A2 and used the same HDMI cable and port (HDMI2) for my 200 that I had been using on the A2.

I have seen this occur on both HD DVDs and Blu-ray Discs. I initially noticed the problem when playing Lion's Gate BDs. I purchased a bunch of LG BDs a few months ago before I had a BD Player of any kind so when I got my BH-200 those were the first films I played. I noticed it during the opening credits on Saw, then on Saw 2, then on Young Guns and then on Total Recall. Since I never noticed anything like that n my HD DVDs while playing them on my A2 I figured that it was something related to the way LG BDs are authored. Then I put in "The Thing" on HD DVD and saw the same thing and have since discovered it happens on all my HDM. I have not tested any DVDs yet (didn't think to), but placing my QDeo setting on "user" seemed to help a little.


I have also tried changing the HDMI input, but I see the same "ghosting" or IR. Any suggestions about settings? Does anyone else have this issue?
post #131 of 191
Hello!

Is that normal that (when the AUTO modus is activated) the BH200 output a sd dvd with 24fps (1080p24) -> with stutter? Normally they should force the video output to 1080p60.

Udo
post #132 of 191
I Need Help!

Whenever I try to play a Blu-Ray disc with DTS-HD MA i get no sound a the picture freezes after about 3 seconds.

Normally I would just change the audio to DD like in Live Free or Die Hard (US), but in The Eye (US) the only option in english is DTS-HD MA so I couldn't watch it.

I have the lastest firmware and driver as well. I tried it using a HDMI cable from the player to the TV and an optical cable from my player through a receiver as well and still I get nothing.

Has anyone else ran into this problem?

Thanks
post #133 of 191
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Originally Posted by iamlilc View Post

I Need Help!

Whenever I try to play a Blu-Ray disc with DTS-HD MA i get no sound a the picture freezes after about 3 seconds.

Normally I would just change the audio to DD like in Live Free or Die Hard (US), but in The Eye (US) the only option in english is DTS-HD MA so I couldn't watch it.

I have the lastest firmware and driver as well. I tried it using a HDMI cable from the player to the TV and an optical cable from my player through a receiver as well and still I get nothing.

Has anyone else ran into this problem?

Thanks

No. Are you using bitstream or DTS re-encode (which is likely as you have an optical cable)?
post #134 of 191
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

No. Are you using bitstream or DTS re-encode (which is likely as you have an optical cable)?

I've tried DTS Re-encode & Pass-through both don't work.

Should I be using bitstream? if so how do i change to it?
post #135 of 191
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Originally Posted by iamlilc View Post

I've tried DTS Re-encode & Pass-through both don't work.

Should I be using bitstream? if so how do i change to it?

Bitstream directly to your display is asking for trouble since your display won't know what to do with anything other than DD or PCM. You should be using DTS re-encode for Toslink. What kind of receiver do you have? Does it accept full-bit rate DTS? BTW, this shouldn't be in the bug section, we should probably have this in the owner's thread.
post #136 of 191
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

Bitstream directly to your display is asking for trouble since your display won't know what to do with anything other than DD or PCM. You should be using DTS re-encode for Toslink. What kind of receiver do you have? Does it accept full-bit rate DTS? BTW, this shouldn't be in the bug section, we should probably have this in the owner's thread.

Ok, well I tried DTS re-encode for toslink and it doesn't work.
I just have a Sony receiver that came with my Sony 1-Disc HDMI Micro Home Theatre System. It's just an all-in-one thing. It has a DTS decoder.

I just thought that it could be a bug not a receiver problem because the sounds works fine from a PS3 just connected to a TV. Just wondering why the BH200 can't do the same.
post #137 of 191
I have a question?

Is it common when watching Special Features on a Java-enabled disc that you cannot interrupt the special feature and get back to the main menu by pressing either menu button? I know it works on non-java discs but it doesn't work on java discs. Is this normal?
post #138 of 191
Can this thread be left for confirmed bugs (i.e - you believe it's a bug) and the Owners thread or Mini-FAQ be used for general "user troubleshooting" please .

Mini-FAQ: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1009104
Owners thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=926099

There's nothing stopping you asking in questions in one of these threads, then re-posting here when it's confirmed to be a bug.

I've deleted some of my off topic posts, as I realise I'm a fine one to talk at times.
post #139 of 191
Casey, can you update the first post with the update info on the SACD bug please:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post14026927
post #140 of 191
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Casey, can you update the first post with the update info on the SACD bug please:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post14026927

Brad - I updated this for you. Sorry it took me so long to do it! I've been traveling a lot for work and haven't had much down time. Plus, I'm currently "in between" TV's and so, sadly, have been unable to test and enjoy my beloved BH200. It's been about a week, with another week to go (Friday, 6/27), until the new one arrives and I must admit, I think I'm going a bit daffy. And, just for the record, I do read quite a bit but I still miss TV!

At least you can take comfort in knowing it's not just the Euro folks who can't enjoy their SACD's!

-C.
post #141 of 191
Thanks Casey.
post #142 of 191
post #143 of 191
Ok, I HOPE this thread is still being watched?

Here is the problem I am experiencing:

The BH200 was imediately updated to the latest June FW and driver 702 soon as I got it out of the box.

When using my Onkyo 805 (early model, so no FW update done to it because it is loader ver 1.00 = means have to send it to Onkyo, but did do the DSP update to fix the DTS HDMA "bomb" problem), I would occasionally get the bitstream signal from HD DVD movies only seen as a stereo signal by the 805 during pause/play or chapter change. All of this happens when the audio signal is lost during those moments, and when the HDMI handshakes again when the audio restarts, it is recognized as a stereo signal and I get loud modulating static coming from all my speakers.

BD and regular DVD all play just fine.
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Bought a new Pioneer VSX-03TXH. Now ALL of my HD DVD movies, no matter DD+ or DTS HD (Bone Collector), the AVR shows recieving a stereo signal and loud modulating static from all speakers.

BD and regular DVD play just fine
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Exchanged VSX-03TXH for new Pioneer SC-05. Now all BD and HD DVD movies have audio problems. This time, the SC-05 shows sometimes it is receiving a stereo signal, other times it thinks it is getting a 192hz stereo signal! Get the same loud modulating static from all speakers with HD DVD movies, but the BD is slightly different. That is the one being recognized as being a 192hz stereo signal, and at first I cannot hear anything. When I turn up the volume louder, I can just barely hear audio very faintly, but it is also being drowned out by a slightly louder modulating static.

At this time, I can't recal if I even tried a regualr DVD, what was the use if both BD or HD would not play?????

With the SC-05, as it is a keeper, I tried various settings on the BH200, going into audio and changing what the SPDIF was sending out (not that it should matter, as I was using bitstream through HDMI???), and even set the audio frequency from 192>96>48, and nothing helped at all

When using the Toshiba A35, all HD DVD movies play just fine on the SC-05. Did have one or two with the VSX-03TXH have the stereo/static though.

Sent both Pioneer and LG an E-Mail. Response back from Pioneer (when I was using the VSX-03TXH with the HD DVD audio problem only) was that HD was a DEAD format, no further research will be done for fixing that format. I sent them another mail explaing the issues further, and asked them to send it up to the engineers, and got this reply back:

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We did forward this information to service engineering so if there is anything that can be done at Pioneers end we will let you know. Did you also checked with LG since a 2nd HD DVD player works fine with the same movie it could also be the player.

I then sent Pioneer another new message concerning the SC-05 I now have on 9/13, and recieved this reply on 9/15:

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Thanks for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.

Based on your e-mail request, we feel that we can be of better assistance if you contact our Product Support line.

Please contact us at (800)421-1404 for further assistance.

As I had to return the BH200 before my 30 days were up at BB, I have no way to call them and do any troubleshooting as of now. I just *MIGHT* go back and re-purchase the BH200 if they still have it, for further testing, as I REALLY want to keep this player! But not sure yet what to do

What I got in reply from E-Mail sent to LG was the standard template message to call their CS line, which I did. As typically expected these days, I think I got Deli, not pastrami on rye deli, but NEW DEHLI!!! The person on the phone was a total idiot, and would not listen to a word I tried to get in between his blabering/drooling. I have been a PC tech for 18 years, and have done HT stuff for some years as well, so most likely knew way more than him, and already was 10 chapters ahead of him in troubleshooting. Eventually he tells me to take it to an LG authorized repair center that is local to me - but turns out to be just some Joe Schmoe's TV/VCR repair shop!

So for now, I gave up and returned the BH200 as I stated above. But, if anyone has any ideas on what else to try, maybe an older FW update that could be sent to me, I might try it again.

Thanks
post #144 of 191
Ooops, forgot to mention on thing - both Pioneer VSX-03TXH and SC-05 has something Pioneer calls "HDMI Jitter Reduction". Wonder if that could be effecting it???
post #145 of 191
ARGH!!!!!!!! Seems the BB I returned it to, it was either sold or shipped back somewhere because I went back today to try and buy it again and do more testing

Now I might have to try and find another one around somewhere . . . . .
post #146 of 191
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Originally Posted by stpat View Post

No, I what I meant was, if LG were to fix the stretch problem, then we could just use our tv's to control it. I didn't mean that the Tv would fix the problem.

has anyone gotten this problem

with older sdvd during playback i get a lot of little red dots during dark scenes
i have to turn on black levels and then switch from 1080p to 720p then turn to manual from default (qdec) and back again in order to get the red dots out of the picture
post #147 of 191
Is LG aware of the 4:3 stretch issue?

And, if they are aware of it, has there been any indication that they will try to fix it?

Along the same lines, what's the best way to contact LG about this? The lge.com website does have a "Contact Us" link here:

http://us.lgservice.com/index_b2c.jsp
post #148 of 191
I've been watching this forum almost daily for any news of the 4x3 problem being fixed- it's the only thing keeping me from picking up one of these right now. If they don't ever fix it I'll just get a Blu-Ray-only player and maybe another HD-DVD player as backup.

Watch out for other players too though- my friend has a Panasonic Blu-Ray that puts GRAY bars on the side of 4x3 DVDs, and there's no way to make them black! He's got an LCD too so burn-in's not an issue.
post #149 of 191
I am very disappointed because I just tried my first 4X3 DVD and now I have found out about the 4X3 stretch issue, this sucks.
post #150 of 191
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Originally Posted by 8traxrule View Post

I've been watching this forum almost daily for any news of the 4x3 problem being fixed- it's the only thing keeping me from picking up one of these right now. If they don't ever fix it I'll just get a Blu-Ray-only player and maybe another HD-DVD player as backup.

Watch out for other players too though- my friend has a Panasonic Blu-Ray that puts GRAY bars on the side of 4x3 DVDs, and there's no way to make them black! He's got an LCD too so burn-in's not an issue.

I'm also considering the purchase of a stand-alone Blu-ray player.

For me, the BH200 has a lot of appeal since my display only has a single HDMI input and it would really simplify my set-up.
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