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post #151 of 191
I initially refused to buy 2 separate players, but since HD-DVD is dead now I can live with that, I can even tolerate swapping HDMI cables if I have to. However I won't tolerate having to manually switch anything from 16x9 to 4x3 or vice-versa, I want that done for me automatically just as they're played in their correct shape on 4x3 TVs.
post #152 of 191
I have two BH200 both manufactured March 2008, running latest FW/SW, bought BB at $199.99 each open box. One is outputting 1080i via component to NEC50MP1 and the second outputting 1080i via HDMI to Panasonic 42 inch plasma. Both units have displayed thin horizontal lines (I can not reproduce them in the same spot on BD). When outputting sound via HDMI into panny there is noticeble 2-3 sec sound delay on a startup (picture is present - no sound). After 2-3 sec sound comes along just fine. I called LG about thin white lines but they were no help and said they never heard about this issue. Anybody?
post #153 of 191
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Originally Posted by atmosfera View Post

I have two BH200 both manufactured March 2008, running latest FW/SW, bought BB at $199.99 each open box. One is outputting 1080i via component to NEC50MP1 and the second outputting 1080i via HDMI to Panasonic 42 inch plasma. Both units have displayed thin horizontal lines (I can not reproduce them in the same spot on BD). When outputting sound via HDMI into panny there is noticeble 2-3 sec sound delay on a startup (picture is present - no sound). After 2-3 sec sound comes along just fine. I called LG about thin white lines but they were no help and said they never heard about this issue. Anybody?

The sound issue is typical of HDMI handshaking. Whenever the HDMI mode changes, the player, (receiver if you have one) and TV will all do the dance again to make sure everyone is happy. Unfortunately that seems to take a couple of seconds (equipment dependent). It happens all the time with my DVD player too. You can try adjusting the HDMI resolution settings - maybe by avoiding the AUTO setting and picking "1080i" or something means the player doesn't have to re-think every time. Annoying, and probably not fixable, so you might just have to live with it.

As for the thin white line: have you tried a different output resolution, like 720p? I can't say I have read about that problem here before, but that doesn't mean others haven't experienced it.

As far as I recall, YMMV, etc,

shinksma
post #154 of 191
I bought one of these units a acouple of weeks ago and I have updated to the latest firmware. So far, I've watched three movies (Shaun of the Dead, Italian Job and Planet Earth) and each time I have suffered two or three two-second audio and video dropouts. I haven't had a "clean" viewing experience yet. It must be an HDMI issue, because when the dropout happens the input label appears as if I have changed sources. I used the same setup with a Tosh HD player with no issues, however. Any thoughts to what might be causing this?
post #155 of 191
My problem with the BH-200, screen all green with HDMI,component works fine.But I loose the upconversion on sd-dvds.Anybody else have this problem?Toshiba Hd-a30 and Samsung BDP-1400 no problem.
post #156 of 191
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Originally Posted by meli15 View Post

My problem with the BH-200, screen all green with HDMI,component works fine.But I loose the upconversion on sd-dvds.Anybody else have this problem?Toshiba Hd-a30 and Samsung BDP-1400 no problem.

Whuch firmware are you running? (This is a common problem with the old November firmware)
post #157 of 191
Thanx for the quick response. I'm running june firmware,meaby I should try to reinstall it.keep you posted.
post #158 of 191
As it turns out nothing wrong with the HDMI output on the Bh-200......My Olevia tv seems to have an issue with the Bh-200 and my cable box.I plugged the unit in a Sharp lcd NO PROBLEM..........Just a follow-up
post #159 of 191
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Originally Posted by meli15 View Post

As it turns out nothing wrong with the HDMI output on the Bh-200......My Olevia tv seems to have an issue with the Bh-200 and my cable box.I plugged the unit in a Sharp lcd NO PROBLEM..........Just a follow-up

It is the BH200's fault - They are overly sensitive to non-HDMI v1.3 TV's!

I have 2 and and they both are perfect on my 32" Sony LCD TV (HDMI v1.3) but play-up when connected to my Marantz AVR (HDMI v1.2) + 50" Pioneer Plasma (DVI-D w/HDCP).
post #160 of 191
You are right,I have a Toshiba Hd-a30 and a Samsung BDP-1400 and they're both fine with the Olevia HDMI input
post #161 of 191
Strange, I was having a lot of audio dropouts on Max Payne DVD tonight. I'm using HDMI to DVI-HDCP at 1080i and optical audio cable with Dolby Digital 5.1 and a Yamaha HTR-5250 receiver (ancient). Looks like the problem was with the DD5.1 stream, since the AVR wasn't detecting any disconnects in the data stream (ie: it said DOLBY DIGITAL all the time, never switched back to PRO LOGIC, meaning it never lost the digital signal).

I'm new to the BH200, and haven't watched many SD DVDs on it. Is this normal? I usually just watch HD DVDs using DTS re-encoding, so far without issue.

Thanks in advance.
post #162 of 191
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Originally Posted by jgantert View Post

Strange, I was having a lot of audio dropouts on Max Payne DVD tonight. I'm using HDMI to DVI-HDCP at 1080i and optical audio cable with Dolby Digital 5.1 and a Yamaha HTR-5250 receiver (ancient). Looks like the problem was with the DD5.1 stream, since the AVR wasn't detecting any disconnects in the data stream (ie: it said DOLBY DIGITAL all the time, never switched back to PRO LOGIC, meaning it never lost the digital signal).

I'm new to the BH200, and haven't watched many SD DVDs on it. Is this normal? I usually just watch HD DVDs using DTS re-encoding, so far without issue.

Thanks in advance.

No, this is not normal. Any audio/video drops reported are almost always while viewing HD DVD or Blu-ray. Play back of standard DVD is mostly flawless. That being said, all my components (TV, A/V receiver, etc.) are HDMI 1.3 so I don't use DVI, optical, etc. I think that may be one reason I don't have nearly as many drop out issues as some users.

I know that the BH200 is very picky about it's HDMI handshaking and doesn't play well with older versions (1.1, 1.2). I seem to remember someone saying that going from HDMI to DVI can cause issues to, though I can't point you to a specific post. Maybe someone else can help.

Also, have you had this issue with any other standard DVD's? Did the Max Payne come from Netflix or Blockbuster? Just wondering.

-C.
post #163 of 191
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Originally Posted by meli15 View Post

As it turns out nothing wrong with the HDMI output on the Bh-200......My Olevia tv seems to have an issue with the Bh-200 and my cable box.I plugged the unit in a Sharp lcd NO PROBLEM..........Just a follow-up

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Originally Posted by djos View Post

It is the BH200's fault - They are overly sensitive to non-HDMI v1.3 TV's!

I have 2 and and they both are perfect on my 32" Sony LCD TV (HDMI v1.3) but play-up when connected to my Marantz AVR (HDMI v1.2) + 50" Pioneer Plasma (DVI-D w/HDCP).

Hey, guys - I've updated the OP to reflect these issues with older versions of HDMI. Thanks!

-C.
post #164 of 191
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Originally Posted by casey.christian View Post

Also, have you had this issue with any other standard DVD's? Did the Max Payne come from Netflix or Blockbuster? Just wondering.

Just to update, after reading this forum for a while, I think it was the seamless branching that was the problem. (discussed http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1080197&page=4 ) This DVD did have rated/unrated on the same side, and I have noticed the trend that I do get audio dropout at the branch points, even on SD DVDs. This particular DVD came from Redbox, btw.

So I guess it's somewhat normal. I also have Forgetting Sarah Marshal SD DVD, which has the same thing (rated/unrated). I'm willing to bet it will have audio dropouts as well.
post #165 of 191
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Originally Posted by casey.christian View Post

No, this is not normal. Any audio/video drops reported are almost always while viewing HD DVD or Blu-ray. Play back of standard DVD is mostly flawless. That being said, all my components (TV, A/V receiver, etc.) are HDMI 1.3 so I don't use DVI, optical, etc. I think that may be one reason I don't have nearly as many drop out issues as some users.

I know that the BH200 is very picky about it's HDMI handshaking and doesn't play well with older versions (1.1, 1.2). I seem to remember someone saying that going from HDMI to DVI can cause issues too

-C.

I had a heap of dropout issues with normal DVD's @ 1080i before I got me edge scaler, now they are gone.
post #166 of 191
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I had a heap of dropout issues with normal DVD's @ 1080i before I got me edge scaler, now they are gone.

Well, I stand corrected then. I'm sorry about that. I was aware that you had purchased the scaler (from your postings on other threads) but guess I missed that it was because of performance issues on standard DVD's. Did you only have that problem with 1080i output ... or, did you have the same issues from 720p or 1080p?

Thanks!

-C.
post #167 of 191
That's cool, most DVDs didn't cause problems but every now and again I'd play one that would have audio dropouts worse than any bd or hd movie and the resolution made no difference at all.

Thankfully the only issues I have now are usually related to grubby discs - I find bd movies to be the worst as I have to frequently clean them with an optical cloth before playback.
post #168 of 191
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for osofast and the engineers in his office this week
post #169 of 191
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Originally Posted by U2Cowboy View Post

I bought one of these units a acouple of weeks ago and I have updated to the latest firmware. So far, I've watched three movies (Shaun of the Dead, Italian Job and Planet Earth) and each time I have suffered two or three two-second audio and video dropouts. I haven't had a "clean" viewing experience yet. It must be an HDMI issue, because when the dropout happens the input label appears as if I have changed sources. I used the same setup with a Tosh HD player with no issues, however. Any thoughts to what might be causing this?

I get the same thing, although mine is probably averaging only 1 dropout per 3-4 movies I watch. My HDMI switch is 1.2, but that's because the 1.3 I had would not work at 1080p, so I dusted off the old 1.2 Monoprice I had sitting in a closet. It works fine, but with this very rare dropout.
post #170 of 191
Casey, can you add the following to your HDMI compatibility section please:

Fix the BH200 so that if the CEA extensions to the display EDID data are not present (eg DVI-D w/HDCP displays like my Professional 50" Pioneer Plasma Monitor), the BH200 will actually accept being told to output 1080p(@50/60/24) and not being too smart for its own good and constantly reverting to 1080i?
post #171 of 191
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

Casey, can you add the following to your HDMI compatibility section please:

Fix the BH200 so that if the CEA extensions to the display EDID data are not present (eg DVI-D w/HDCP displays like my Professional 50" Pioneer Plasma Monitor), the BH200 will actually accept being told to output 1080p(@50/60/24) and not being too smart for its own good and constantly reverting to 1080i?

Done.
post #172 of 191
casey, I'd like to expand the reported bug about the BH200 and the Denon 4806 to include all Denon AVRs from that model year. I have the Denon 2807 and it has the same problem with stereo being received when it shouldn't. (The 2807 is of the same model/year line as the 4806, just like the current models are numbered 2809, 3808 and 4808.) I would guess that the 3806 has the same problem as well, though no one has specifically reported it.
post #173 of 191
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Originally Posted by casey.christian View Post

Done.

Thanks.
post #174 of 191
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 360_4_EVER! View Post

casey, I'd like to expand the reported bug about the BH200 and the Denon 4806 to include all Denon AVRs from that model year. I have the Denon 2807 and it has the same problem with stereo being received when it shouldn't. (The 2807 is of the same model/year line as the 4806, just like the current models are numbered 2809, 3808 and 4808.) I would guess that the 3806 has the same problem as well, though no one has specifically reported it.

Done. If you come across any other posts from people about other specific Denon models from that year, please let me know so that I can link to them. Thanks!
post #175 of 191
I actually just purchased one of these from BB for $99 anywho. Ive been reading about them for awhile now. Does anyone have one that plays movies without issues. My main issue is video loss for a few seconds and it is very hard to get the sound setup right (digital)
So im curious as to what audio settings you use on the BH200
post #176 of 191
If you're using HDMI connection search around, there's lots of comments regarding HDMI audio and video dropouts. Hopefully will be addressed soon.
post #177 of 191
Thread Starter 
The newest firmware with BD-Live functionality was released today. Sadly, the problems related to HDMI handshakes seem to have gone unaddressed. As you all test and play around with the new firmware, please make sure and post updates here so that I can keep the bug tracking up to date. Thanks!

-C.
post #178 of 191
Son of a gun... don't know how long this has been going on, let me explain.
Our BH-200 was pretty much relegated to playing movies ever since we've had it. Well, today I decided to listen to some music CDs... usually I just play them from my HTPC but today I wanted to listen to a CD that I hadn't yet bothered to rip to the HD, so I thought I'd pop it into the BH-200 and see how it handles music. During the first song I thought I could hear a damaged EMIT tweeter... when I walked up and place my ear near to the suspected tweeter it was plain that there was bad distortion coming from it. I was bummed. So then I decided to also check the other main speaker, sure enough it produced the same distorted high freqs... I check the center channel same thing, etc. So it was either my Onkyo or the BH-200. I then ripped the CD to the HTPC and upon replaying from the HTPC every note was crystal clear. To make a longer story not as long... I eventually discovered that if I switch the BH-200 HDMI Audio in the menu to PCM and then back to Pass-thru the problem fixed itself, every note is crystal. However if I ejct and then put in either the same or another disc the distortion happens again until I go back into the menu and manually switch to PCM and then back to Pass-thru. Even though I never really use this player for listening to CDs it still bugs me. Has anyone else noticed something similar happening with their BH-200? Is it yet another bug in the new firmware update or is it something that has always been there (a known issue)? This sucks!
post #179 of 191
I'd be happy to check it out, but can you try rolling back to an earlier version?
post #180 of 191
With the latest firmware I'm getting video dropouts. I've never had this issue before this update. Will revert back to an older firmware.
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