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post #301 of 5330
SS9001

surely SC-LX90 would last after 2012.. it was designed from scratch, so I wouldn't worry about a new model in two or three years....
After all a good amp and a good preamp are always good.... and Susano is good....

But we might see improvements (small upgrades to the current model) which maybe will come with new model numbers.. SC-LX91, SC-LX90 Mark II etc...
The same happened to VSX49 which became 79....

Here in Europe we has VSX-AX10, then VSXAX10iS.... then VSX-AX10AiS
The second had Ilink, the third improved room correction..
Basically the same amp....

However Pioneer was polite to provide to their customers the ability to upgrade VSX-AX10 to VSXAX10iS....


SUSANO was unlucky in PQLS over HDMI, a feature that came to Pioneer engineer heads after the introduction of Susano...

I think that it may not be a big deal if you have a good transport and a good DAC...

About the companion player LX90 in AVLAND has never reached the market and never will .... LX91 (from what i show in the pictures) is going to be a
hi-end Blue ray and only that....

The question is what about SACD and DVD audio....

From my point of view, if Pioneer doesnt include this formats in LX 91 or doesn't introduce a hi-end SACD-DVD-audio player with ilink.... it is their way to say that these formats come to an end and that they will be replaced by all the lossless DTS and Dolby surrund formats for audio reproduction.
This will be really intersting to see...


From my point of view SUSANO is a bargain for what it offers,a masterpiece of engineering and surelly all the above mentioned, should not keep everyone from buying it (hopefully i will get mine by the end of the year)

PS... and a one way road to the owners of 49-79 Pioneer players with ilink....
post #302 of 5330
Well spoken ssak.

For those that seek a solution with one single player handling everything the Susano might fall short when paired with the possible BDP-LX91. However, for those of us that don't mind (even embrace!) the concept of several disc players it is a beautiful match

I for one, will connect it to an i.Link Pioneer DV-868 for music, a Denon DVD-3930 for DVD and a Blu-ray player for Blu-ray (currently a Panasonic DMP-BD10, later .... well that's a question!!). Heck, I will even connect an old CD-player

Not just for best in bred playback but also for pure comfort. Playing music while exchanging a TV series DVD while not touching the playback memory of the Blu-ray etc.
post #303 of 5330
Hi, new soon to be owner here... {bought FilmMixers SC-09TX} with a question...

I recall reading you can get the OSD through HDMI {for Volume and such}if you are connected to a Pioneer Kuro... Is this Correct

If so would anyone happen to know if this also implies to the Pioneer Projector that was just released? I have all f my equipment in the room beside my theater and would love to be able to see the volume on the screen when I turn up the Volume in the other room. To me that is worth paying the extra $1000 for the Pioneer over the JVC RS2 if it is Possible.

Any insight on this matter would be great. Thanks in advance for those that help out.
post #304 of 5330
Hehe.....BDP-09FD: Towards the bottom of the article "Black & Blue." We'll see, won't we?

http://www.marketnews.ca/news_detail.asp?nid=3796
post #305 of 5330
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post

Hi, new soon to be owner here... {bought FilmMixers SC-09TX} with a question...

CollinViegas,

Congratulations!

The manual only documents getting OSD with Kuros using SR+ control connection. But, catapult in the thread about the new Pioneer receivers posted that "supposedly" you OSD also works with HDMI control, based on what some 94TXH users found. I don't think there's anything in the manual that specifically states that so take it FWIW.

On the projector, I can't help with that one. The manual is available for download from Pioneer US site, and I've skimmed thru it but found no mention at all of use with Pioneer receivers or Kuro link (Pioneer's marketing buzzword for HDMI control).

You might want to contact Robert Zohn at Value Electronics, Scarsdale, NY this week. He's having a Kuro shootout 7-18/19 with Pioneer's new plasmas, BD players, and these new SC receivers. Several reps from Pioneer are attending incl a factory tech/engr from Japan. Sounds like a great opportunity to get questions answered. I have a few ? on this receiver myself I asked Robert to ask of Pioneer.

Then u can share with us

He's also posted that he will try to post comments & answers from Pioneer in respective threads.

ss9001
Steve
post #306 of 5330
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post

Hi, new soon to be owner here... {bought FilmMixers SC-09TX} with a question...

I recall reading you can get the OSD through HDMI {for Volume and such}if you are connected to a Pioneer Kuro... Is this Correct

If so would anyone happen to know if this also implies to the Pioneer Projector that was just released? I have all f my equipment in the room beside my theater and would love to be able to see the volume on the screen when I turn up the Volume in the other room. To me that is worth paying the extra $1000 for the Pioneer over the JVC RS2 if it is Possible.

Any insight on this matter would be great. Thanks in advance for those that help out.

When I spoke to Robert about this projector, it seems as if the only think Pioneer about it was the branding (and there is no SR+ input on it for sure)... for all other purposes, he said it is an RS2..
post #307 of 5330
Thread Starter 
ILink is still King!

I found this in the SC-07 manual on the PQLS-over-HDMI feature:

"When this set is connected by HDMI cable to a Pioneer player that is compatible with the PQLS function via HDMI connection and a CD is played or HDMI re-authentication is performed (the HDMI indicator blinks), the PQLS effect is enabled and the listening mode is set to stereo.

If a listening mode other than stereo is selected while the PQLS effect is enabled, the PQLS effect is disabled."

In its current form, its totally useless for 5.1 SACD/DVDA. And you can't even listen to your CDs in surround!

Unless Pioneer modifies the design to work with SACD/DVDA over HDMI, ILink is still a far superior connection and the best one to use for those discs.

ss9001
post #308 of 5330
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

ILink is still King!

I found this in the SC-07 manual on the PQLS-over-HDMI feature:

"When this set is connected by HDMI cable to a Pioneer player that is compatible with the PQLS function via HDMI connection and a CD is played or HDMI re-authentication is performed (the HDMI indicator blinks), the PQLS effect is enabled and the listening mode is set to stereo.

If a listening mode other than stereo is selected while the PQLS effect is enabled, the PQLS effect is disabled."

In its current form, its totally useless for 5.1 SACD/DVDA. And you can't even listen to your CDs in surround!

Unless Pioneer modifies the design to work with SACD/DVDA over HDMI, ILink is still a far superior connection and the best one to use for those discs.

ss9001

Yep, I agree. If the upcoming flagship BD-player doesn't have i.Link it's not a flagship.
post #309 of 5330
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Originally Posted by Dragnet View Post

Yep, I agree. If the upcoming flagship BD-player doesn't have i.Link it's not a flagship.

As I recall you told ssak, "Well said," while agreeing with ssak's post about that BDP player has never came to market and NEVER will.
post #310 of 5330
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Originally Posted by Falcon Eddie View Post

As I recall you told ssak, "Well said," while agreeing with ssak's post about that BDP player has never came to market and NEVER will.

...and by that semantics there will be no Pioneer BDP flagship

But I might still buy if the "movie part" is outstanding but it's a tick less likely.
post #311 of 5330
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Originally Posted by bubbawilly View Post

Well, BAX is definitely the way to go when shipping this unit. The 3rd receiver arrived in one piece, and several days quicker than any other ground service.

It was very late by the time I got everything setup and running, so I was a bit cranky, but to my great dissapointment I found that the SC-09 breaks my golden rule of audio gear (for serious audio gear, that is). It has a fan. Unfurtunately, the old cliches of blackest backgrounds cannot apply when one can hear the constant grinding and whirring of a fan. What a shame.


Very, very unfortunately for me, my A/V rack is within 4' of the main listening position in my theater, and the receiver is at ear level. I may try putting the receiver on the bottom shelf to see if that helps.

Otherwise, I'd venture a guess that at a minimum of 6' the whir of the fan would be nearly inaudible, and at 8' I'm sure that it would be silent. Anyone interested in this unit, and meeting those criteria feel free to PM me with an offer in the event that I can't make this work. There is no need to pay anywhere near $7K for this piece.

Aside from the fan, which is a problem because of my specific setup, this piece is absolutely killer!

Greetings:
On reading your post about the fan noise, I went to power on mine. I put my ears very close to the front and even closer to the top. I did not notice or hear any fan noise. ( Am I going deaf?) .
I placed mine on a very study well reinforced wooden cabinet. Mine is dead quiet. I am yet to fire all speakers 10.1 as I do not have any BD source as of yet.
Based on the suggestion of those who have the Dv79avi, I won one on ebay today. I want to test it with Ilink and other goodies.
I also want to dress up the SC09TX with a full attire of complimentary gear for the Elite line.
I will also be adding an Elite CT W79 cassette deck replacing my old Yamaha CDR D651 , and Yamaha KX-W421.

gto.
post #312 of 5330
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Omoregie View Post

..Based on the suggestion of those who have the Dv79avi, I won one on ebay today. I want to test it with Ilink and other goodies...gto.

Good choice in universal players!
Will you be getting any SACD's & DVD-A's?

Not too many new ones being released, other than classical & jazz, but a lot of existing inventory of good to excellent multichannel & stereo masters, including some classic rock. Getting harder to find them in B&M stores anymore, but plenty available online shopping.

ss9001
post #313 of 5330
Could you folks PM me with some good deals on the 09, it is eating at me.
post #314 of 5330
Received my SC09TX Today, Only had time to take it out of the box and plug it in to make sure it powered on.

Initial Impressions are it's built like a tank {similar build quality to my Denon 5805} but with much greater attention to detail and esthetics.

LCD screen is fairly Vibrant

Remote is below average for a receiver of this cost but is replaced by a TSU9600 so thats o.k.

More thoughts soon to come cant wait to hear this baby sing...
post #315 of 5330
Quick question,

Does anyone with this receiver have a pronto remote? It is not in the My Database section of prontoedit and the learning function of the TSU9600 is really garbage for me. I always have to try and learn everybutton 3 times fr some reason and most times it copies the code twice. My old prontos never had these problems before...

So if you have a any pronto remote or just the codes for each button I would really appreciate it if you could email me your configuration file. Thanks...
post #316 of 5330
Thread Starter 
^^
Heres the link to Pioneer's custom install site with remote codes for pronto, URC remotes, RS232. There's also a sheet with pronto & IR hex codes on the site.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...Custom+Install

I have the ccf file that I downloaded from this site since I can import learned ccf codes into my URC MX3000 remote. The ccf file has all the buttons & some discrete codes not on the Pioneer remote. For those with URC's, I found that the codes don't work imported into the MX3000 since they are not learned codes.

Hope this helps you with your specific pronto.
ss9001

 

SC-09TX_Pronto.zip 11.3359375k . file
post #317 of 5330
That is exctly what I needed... Thank you, Now I have alot of importing to do into my remote...

I appreciate your help.
post #318 of 5330
Quote:
Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

Good choice in universal players!
Will you be getting any SACD's & DVD-A's?

Not too many new ones being released, other than classical & jazz, but a lot of existing inventory of good to excellent multichannel & stereo masters, including some classic rock. Getting harder to find them in B&M stores anymore, but plenty available online shopping.

ss9001

Greetings:
I guess I will start to collect these types henceforth.

Please send me info as much as possible regarding online stores where they are available.
Thanks.

George T. Omoregie.
post #319 of 5330
I just took delivery of my Pioneer Elite Pro 151FD TV today, this weekend I am going to play around with the Kuro link between the SC09 and the TV. See if I will be missing anything really important when I hook the receiver up to a projector when the theater is finished being built.
post #320 of 5330
Susano har reached Sweden...
LL
post #321 of 5330
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Omoregie View Post

Please send me info as much as possible regarding online stores where they are available. Thanks. George T. Omoregie.

George,
You have PM.

ss9001
post #322 of 5330
Thread Starter 
Dragnet,

We know what you'll be working on this weekend
Let us know how it goes hooking it all up. Also, your shipping box looks like it took some corner damage too. Hopefully, the receiver is intact & pristine

ss9001
post #323 of 5330
Quote:
Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

Dragnet,

We know what you'll be working on this weekend
Let us know how it goes hooking it all up. Also, your shipping box looks like it took some corner damage too. Hopefully, the receiver is intact & pristine

ss9001

Correct ss9001 - I'll be in the basement for most of the weekend!

Some very minor corner damage to the box but nothing on the inside. Really a ridicoulus box. A (mobile phone) picture is attached - no antenna input as it lacks the tuner circuitry
LL
post #324 of 5330
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Omoregie View Post

Greetings:
On reading your post about the fan noise, I went to power on mine. I put my ears very close to the front and even closer to the top. I did not notice or hear any fan noise. ( Am I going deaf?) .
I placed mine on a very study well reinforced wooden cabinet. Mine is dead quiet. I am yet to fire all speakers 10.1 as I do not have any BD source as of yet.
Based on the suggestion of those who have the Dv79avi, I won one on ebay today. I want to test it with Ilink and other goodies.
I also want to dress up the SC09TX with a full attire of complimentary gear for the Elite line.
I will also be adding an Elite CT W79 cassette deck replacing my old Yamaha CDR D651 , and Yamaha KX-W421.

gto.

George, the fan doesn't engage until the receiver warms up. You won't hear anything when you first power-up, or for some time thereafter.

In my case the first thing that I did after installing the unit was to run MCACC, and play a track from my reference CD. That was enough to get the fan going. I then played a few tracks from one of my reference SACDs, and the receiver got very hot to the touch. The fan ran for the whole session.

Curiously, we watched a movie the next evening and the receiver only got warm. The Dolby HD soundtrack wasn't too dynamic, but all of the speakers (7.1) were firing nonetheless. The fan was not running at the end of the movie, and I couldn't tell if it engaged during the movie. Fortunately the SC-09's fan isn't as loud as my projector, so the fan is a non-issue with movies. Music is where I have the problem.
post #325 of 5330
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Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post

I just took delivery of my Pioneer Elite Pro 151FD TV today, this weekend I am going to play around with the Kuro link between the SC09 and the TV. See if I will be missing anything really important when I hook the receiver up to a projector when the theater is finished being built.

Congratulations on your new display. I have the same model and it is really something special.

Yes...please do let us know about the connectivity with your SC-09. However, I've just learned from posts over in the Plasma forum that the Elite Pro 151 does NOT have an SR+ cable input! Posts there are saying it only has an SR (mono) input. From searching these posts, it's confusing what the implications of this would be. It seems that the OSD volume display may be available over HDMI, but it's unclear if any of the other settings that the SR+ cable is supposed to deliver will be available.
post #326 of 5330
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone,

Reminder that Robert Zohn - Value Electronics - has the Pioneer shootout tonight & Sat for AVSForum members. Pioneer has several people present. I called & got to talk to a Pio Div Manager this afternoon

An AVSForum member, SoSo, has arranged for a live IP stream cast tonight at 7PM EST. Robert told me it might go to 9PM.

Heres the link to his post and link to his stream site. Apparently, he will also have the vid available as vid-on-demand for those that can't see it live.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1050005
http://www.mogulus.com/soso

Kuros, new BD players AND SC receivers, including OURS.
I hope they have a good Q&A session.

ss9001
Steve
post #327 of 5330
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Originally Posted by bubbawilly View Post

George, the fan doesn't engage until the receiver warms up. You won't hear anything when you first power-up, or for some time thereafter.

In my case the first thing that I did after installing the unit was to run MCACC, and play a track from my reference CD. That was enough to get the fan going. I then played a few tracks from one of my reference SACDs, and the receiver got very hot to the touch. The fan ran for the whole session.

Curiously, we watched a movie the next evening and the receiver only got warm. The Dolby HD soundtrack wasn't too dynamic, but all of the speakers (7.1) were firing nonetheless. The fan was not running at the end of the movie, and I couldn't tell if it engaged during the movie. Fortunately the SC-09's fan isn't as loud as my projector, so the fan is a non-issue with movies. Music is where I have the problem.

Greetings:

I have played music so loud, my wife had to come down to yell at me. (She vowed she will buy a monkey to slap me on my bald head if I do not stop playing the unit so loud, ) I have played movies all day I have not noticed any fan kicking in.

I just ordered a 79avi to dress up the Sc-09TX with. When it gets here, i hope to fire it up and play either a movie or Cd. Sorry, no DVD-A or SACd yet. I have 10.1 speaker system. All the speakers do not fire up yet, because no blue ray or Dts MA etc. I know the 9Tx gets hot, not too hot now, but noticing a fan or hearing a fan kicking in, I have not noticed it. Maybe when I play some loud music or watch movie with speakers on high volume, I will place my ears very close to the unit.
My Sc-09TX is well ventilated, and I am even planning to add a small fan to it to help blow hot air away.
Again, thanks for the head-up

George T. Omoregie.
post #328 of 5330
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

George,
You have PM.

ss9001

to SS9001:

Thanks for the detailed info on where to find these discs.

George T. Omoregie
post #329 of 5330
Yes, I have been playing loud here also

Plenty of power is available. I run it in a 7.1 configuration with bi-amping of the three front channels.

I got the Home Media Gallery working with my Windows Server 2008 (though not as trivial as with Vista I might add! PM me if you want details). No HTPC needed for me for quite some time!

Works excellent with i.Link and SACD/DVD-Audio. I run SACD in "Direct" mode for now in order to have the signal pass the MCACC system (although this results in a conversion of DSD -> PCM).

Sometimes it gets quite hot, sometimes not so. Can't really figure out when...but it became quite hot once after a playing of an SACD disc?!

I happened to hear the fan switch on when I was standing close to it but it's very quiet.
post #330 of 5330
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post

I just took delivery of my Pioneer Elite Pro 151FD TV today, this weekend I am going to play around with the Kuro link between the SC09 and the TV. See if I will be missing anything really important when I hook the receiver up to a projector when the theater is finished being built.

Collin... hows my baby holding up...

Waiting to hear your impressions...
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