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post #3691 of 5330
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Originally Posted by JANJWJMC View Post

Anarog congrats on your new toy

I see you got a tide setup to.
You ask what cables we use ,
i use the Canare 4S11 Cable

Thanks JAN...not quite sure what a "tide setup" means, hopefully...nice/good et al . BTW, nice job on the cooling issue....
post #3692 of 5330
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

anarog, congratulations! B&Ws and ICE Amps do sound good together. Hope the scratches can be polished out..

Thanks Chris! I'm strictly using two-channel until I get the 151 on the wall... to make room on the stand for the HTM1...and the rears wired-in .

Any recommendations for wall mounts anyone? My dealer prefers the Sanus low-profile over the mega-buck Pioneer PWM-6111 ($389 CAD...). I have no real need for a tilt/swivel/pull-out model.
post #3693 of 5330
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

If you've done everything properly in the setup and the Behringer's filters are definitely turned off, then the next logical thing to check is the -

sub output levels calibrated by MCACC.

If it's set pretty low (for whatever reason??), that would result in lower preamp output and possibly too low for your amp to reach its full output.

But let us know what you find out & we'll go from there

LOL. ya the filters were on. The danley is now shaking my couch. Tomorrow ill check my mcacc setting in morn i have been working so much i barely get time to fool around with my theatre stuff and i have been to lazy to read the manual. thanks for your help
post #3694 of 5330
Thread Starter 
herck,

Glad you're getting that couch shaking bass now
And here's something philosophical for ya that kind of fits
(edited from wikipedia) -

Occam's razor
is the meta-theoretical principle......that the simplest solution is usually the correct one.

Once you get things rocking, post some photos of your setup
post #3695 of 5330
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Originally Posted by anarog View Post

Any recommendations for wall mounts anyone?

Don't know about cost, but Chief & Omnimount are also big into mounts.
post #3696 of 5330
Thread Starter 
Memorial Day weekend & traditions...

Last night I dusted off a "moldy-oldy" war movie, The Blue Max, which my wife had never seen
And today is the day for all open wheel racing lovers - F1 in the morning, Indy 500 in the afternoon! Life is good
post #3697 of 5330
^^^

a classic. i haven't seen that in forever...

you KNOW what i'm doing right now... although it would be better if it was monaco this morning like it is supposed to be...

i think we need to organize an "ice club" meeting in texas in 2012...
post #3698 of 5330
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Originally Posted by anarog View Post

Thanks Chris! I'm strictly using two-channel until I get the 151 on the wall... to make room on the stand for the HTM1...and the rears wired-in .

Any recommendations for wall mounts anyone? My dealer prefers the Sanus low-profile over the mega-buck Pioneer PWM-6111 ($389 CAD...). I have no real need for a tilt/swivel/pull-out model.

well, it was charles, but i'll take credit since it was good info...

check the "flat panel" subforum and look for the "perfect furniture" thread... mounts are discussed at length there... something to keep in mind, the 60" kuros have a "wide" thread pattern, so make SURE the mount you choose will fit... depending on the mount, you may need to buy an adaptor kit as well (for example, when i put mine on the synergy mount, it required a separate adaptor kit)....
post #3699 of 5330
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

i think we need to organize an "ice club" meeting in texas in 2012...

I went to 1 F1 race in my life but it was back in the 70's - Canadian GP at Mosport, back in the Nelson Piquet era.

Haven't watched F1 racing in awhile & just saw the 1 Red Bull driver almost take out his teammate & leader....WOW....reminds me of the Senna-Prost rivalry! If sparks are flying in the Red Bull team, the rest of the season could get interesting

I could make a TX meeting at the new track...company's headqtrs is in Dallas, so I arrange a visit on their nickel, slide over to Austin and have some fun!! Funny thing, we just a meeting that included a Rangers game, but we never seem to meet when IRL runs at TX Speedway The Rangers I can pass on, but an Indycar race....I can get enthused about that.
post #3700 of 5330
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OT but a winning Scottish indy driver will be getting a nice birthday present

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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

OT but a winning Scottish indy driver will be getting a nice birthday present



Glad you finally found out how to attach pictures Steve
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http://www.harmankardon.com/EN-US/Pr...D=AVR%207550HD


HARMAN KARDON Announces HDMI v.1.4a with 3D
Harman Kardon is a company that thinks ahead and one of the greatest features we provide on our AVR receivers is the ability to upgrade them when new firmware and technologies become available. To accommodate the excitement of 3D Video, Harman Kardon is pleased to announce a two prong strategy to deliver compatibility with the latest advancement in consumer electronics.

Starting in September, all Harman Kardon AVR 2600, AVR 3600 and AVR 7550HD models will be shipping with HDMI v.1.4a with 3D. This will allow full compatibility with all 3D formats from either Blu-ray players or satellite and cable services.

At the same time, all current owners of these models, regardless of the date of purchase, will be able to update their existing AVR's to HDMI v.1.4a with 3D. This upgrade will be available at no charge from www.harmankardon.com. All you will need to do is download the software to a USB memory stick, insert the stick drive into the front panel USB jack of your AVR, and with a few button presses on the remote control, the AVR will be upgraded. No direct connection between the computer and AVR is required or software loader is required, greatly simplifying the upgrade process.


Well done Harman.... Pioneer Electronics are you listening ?
post #3703 of 5330
Everybody should copy and paste this into an email to Pioneer North America's email for C/S. If a competitor is doing it, they had better follow suit. Whether I agree with the 3D craze or not, this is an important upgrade. I also like the idea of how easily it is accomplished without having to schlep the SC-09 monster into a shop to have it done.
post #3704 of 5330
Sent to Pioneer UK
post #3705 of 5330
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

well, it was charles, but i'll take credit since it was good info...

My apologies...and thanks to Charles & Chris or...Chris & Charles .

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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

check the "flat panel" subforum and look for the "perfect furniture" thread... mounts are discussed at length there...

After (unsuccessfully) searching the forum/thread you mentioned...I eventually gave up. I don't doubt the information I'm looking for is there, somewhere...just too much info. to wade through. Thanks anyway .

Roger
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Originally Posted by oddeofile View Post

Everybody should copy and paste this into an email to Pioneer North America's email for C/S. If a competitor is doing it, they had better follow suit. Whether I agree with the 3D craze or not, this is an important upgrade. I also like the idea of how easily it is accomplished without having to schlep the SC-09 monster into a shop to have it done.

+1

I'll send another email myself to David Bales, marketing mgr at Pioneer US this week mentioning the H-K news. Hope more can do the same.

I hope we agree that Pioneer is in business to make money and to do that means new models with new features. We just want our chance at keeping up without shelling out another small fortune

Charging owners for this update, since hardware changes would be needed to get things like PQLS, is perfectly reasonable IMO. I don't expect Pioneer will throw very limited resources at it if they can't make a profit.

FYI
email: David.Bales@Pioneer-USA.com
post #3707 of 5330
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Originally Posted by Alicatt View Post

Sent to Pioneer UK

Thanks, Alicatt!!
post #3708 of 5330
Why do I have this feeling that all the emails in the world won't make any difference...
post #3709 of 5330
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Originally Posted by anarog View Post

After (unsuccessfully) searching the forum/thread you mentioned...I eventually gave up. I don't doubt the information I'm looking for is there, somewhere...just too much info. to wade through. Thanks anyway .

Roger

roger, i just bought one of these: clicky

it's supposed to be here tomorrow, so i should be able to get someone to come over by the end of next weekend to help me hang it... i'll let you know how it turns out...
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Why do I have this feeling that all the emails in the world won't make any difference...

You may be right, probably are right, but we still can try. I admit that if I worked at Pioneer, I know my job #1 would be focused on the basic things needed to get the company in the black and everything else is way down the priority list. Regretable situation.

But at least we can say we tried...and if enough came in, they just might see there's a market and way to make some money off existing owners. If they don't or decide not to be in the flagship business, then we all can pursue the alternatives for our next AVR/proc.
post #3711 of 5330
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Originally Posted by Malcolm_B View Post

Why do I have this feeling that all the emails in the world won't make any difference...

if it makes you feel any better, you aren't alone...

even as a soon to be ex-owner (mine is for sale in the classifieds if anyone wants one), i wish pio would come through on the desired susano upgrades... it would show some commitment to the marketplace on their part... the a/v world "needs" pioneer around... they are the cem who pushes the envelope the most at the top end of the feeding chain...

look at displays... they've basically stagnated since pioneer left the market... sure, there's been a few improvements on paper from everyone else, but no one has approached the kuro yet, and it doesn't look look like anyone will soon... had "flagship division" pio survived the meltdown of the world economy and they had cranked out the 10g (not to mention whispering now about 80" 3d kuros to be announced at ces in 2011, as long as i'm dreaming out loud ), you bet your bippy that the other cems would be ahead of where they are now... heck, there isn't anything i can think of out there that even equals a 8g, let alone a 9g...

sadly, i'm really starting to believe that the susano was the peak of the avr world (similar to the kuro being the peak of the pdp world), and not only aren't we going to see another flagship from pioneer again, we are likely to not see a real "throw the best parts, cutting edge technology and massive amounts of engineering together and see what we get" flagship from anyone again...

similar to the "boutique" marques, the time of the flagship has passed... it's not economically viable any longer, and people are no longer as swayed by halo marketing as they once were... guys shopping for a 1020 don't care one iota that the sc-09 is the baddest boy on the planet...
post #3712 of 5330
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

roger, i just bought one of these: clicky

Looks very similar to the SanusSystems VMP3L-B...click

BTW, just make sure that pdp is 'er...well hung .

roger
post #3713 of 5330
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

even as a soon to be ex-owner (mine is for sale in the classifieds if anyone wants one)

chris,
What's going to be the replacement?
Sorry to see you "go" but understandable. We know you like new equipment

The more I think about it, the more it looks like the era of flagships is close to being over, maybe with the exception of Denon. Too many changes, too fast. Either go with one that's confirmed upgradable or change out lower end models every few yrs. looks like the way it's going. Hell, even Jeff 'the Bland is looking for a new proc. But of course, he wants more exclusivity

No word from Yamaha either and Integra/Onkyo are packing theirs full of features for lots less. May not be the top in parts or design, but all the bells & whistles are there.

Plus, a few weeks ago, I read Pioneer's annual business report, and plan for 2010 (some online link). I'll attach it sometime later today. They are still bleeding, less but a long way to go before turning a profit. And there's a statement in it that clearly says the Home Audio div will be concentrating on the low end of the market.e I guess this could be Sharp's influence.

Still, there will probably be new Elites this yr. just not a flagship. 4 yr life cycle would probably make it 2011-12 for a new flagship anyway. Some don't want to wait & see. If only Pioneer would issue a statement, like Denon has, about their plans
post #3714 of 5330
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Originally Posted by anarog View Post

Looks very similar to the SanusSystems VMP3L-B...click

BTW, just make sure that pdp is 'er...well hung .

roger

yup, that sanus was the other one i was considering...

lol! oh, it will be... when mounting anything "heavy", i always give the mount a real good stress test before actually putting anything on it...
post #3715 of 5330
steve... well, i'm not going to "go" anywhere, i'll still be here... i'm still a pioneer ho', but they don't have anything for me right now...

i have to eat my words about "never going back to separates"...

here's the plan as it stands... i have a bryston 9b-st on it's way here for amplification... "someone" around here has a nib integra 9.9 pre-pro that they offered me at a REAL good price, so i'm going to hook that up and see what we get... i'm also toying with the idea of a pre-pro with a ht bypass for 2 channel listening...

then we'll sit back and see what pops up for processors as time goes by...
post #3716 of 5330
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

... the time of the flagship has passed...

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
(with the black & white spiral spinning in background as I fall ever downward.)

OK, well maybe. Having owned all the Pio flags since the D1S, maybe it's good that the end is coming. Most of the Pio flags were high quality maybe pseudo-flags as I could afford them early on and not super flags. Co's can lose their way and their business as a result.

I am toying with a cheaper (highest low end) Pio with new features as a processor with 1.4a & Bluetooth A2DP. It would be cheaper than using a Chordette DAC just for Bluetooth, and have the DSX & IIz. iPhone control, etc. That way I amortize my "Susvestment" and stick with Pio.

Folks laughed when I complained about Onk's lack of updates then I went back to the much higher priced flagship. I guess I'm not laughing now
post #3717 of 5330
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Sorry but I mis-spoke about Pioneer saying they were concentrating on the low end. I've attached the annual report. But here's the actual quote mentioning low end -

"First, to tackle the challenge of additional drastic cost reductions, we will continue to reduce costs across all business categories, including the Car and the Home Electronics businesses. In every process from planning to production and sales, by promoting the standardization and sharing of parts, components and modules, and through the use of OEM and other suppliers, we will expand our product line to include low-end products."

I jumped to the conclusion when I first read this that they are focusing on low end and that's not what they said

Also -

"In the Home Electronics business, Pioneer concluded a strategic alliance agreement in November 2009 with Suning Appliance Co., Ltd., a major Chinese home electronics mass retailer. Through this alliance, Pioneer will drive further business expansion in the Chinese market utilizing Suning Appliance’s strong sales channels and infrastructure, as well as unique marketing expertise and other resources."

They do say they will be developing OLED display technology, so that's a good sign they may be back in display business. They also make this statement -

"Pioneer expects to restore operating profitability in fiscal 2011."

There's speculative info out there about new models this year: an SC-37 & 35, but no mention of a SC-09 replacement. But that's still consistent with a 4 yr life for their flagships. So I wouldn't quite rule them out of the flagship market yet

 

Pioneer 0513-1.pdf 247.49609375k . file
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Originally Posted by rudolpht View Post

I am toying with a cheaper (highest low end) Pio with new features as a processor with 1.4a & Bluetooth A2DP. That way I amortize my "Susvestment" and stick with Pio.

Folks laughed when I complained about Onk's lack of updates then I went back to the much higher priced flagship. I guess I'm not laughing now

Tim, that could be a viable way to get some new while waiting to see what happens. Were you thinking of plugging a new one into the 09's analog inputs to use its amps?

As far as deciding which company's products to go with, this is like shopping for a car....GM? Chrysler? Toyota? In this economy, it's hard to pick clear winners. Who would have thought no more Pioneer plasmas....
post #3719 of 5330
The SC-07 has Auto Level Control (ALC) on 2 channels, and the SC-27 has ALC on multi-channel.

I haven't been able to figure out from the manual or the forums: does the SC-09 have ALC or any other volume control technology?

Dan
post #3720 of 5330
[quote=ss9001]

Tim, that could be a viable way to get some new while waiting to see what happens. Were you thinking of plugging a new one into the 09's analog inputs to use its amps?

/QUOTE]

Shack. That's my current Plan B
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