Official Pioneer SC-09TX/SC-LX90 Owner's Thread - Page 162

Originally Posted by Parrot_HD

So far I'm very happy with the SC-09tx. My system is used for 60% music / 40% movies. I'm looking to pickup a unit for SACD and DVD-A.

I was either going to pickup a DV-59/79 AVI and us the iLink or buy a Oppo BDP-95 using it's analogs.

My current system consists of the following: SC-09tx (of course), Sony BDP-S5000ES BluRay, Monitor Audio RS-6 (L-R), RSLCR (Center), RSFX (Surrounds), and a Klipsch sub.

Looking for feedback on both the above options. Thanks.

Originally Posted by docjj


Gmizrahi,

I have a lot of information and some pics about sound isolation that I did on my theater. Unfortunately most of the files are larger than the 500k limit, so I could send as email attachments if desired. Here are a couple within that size limit to get you started.

Basically I isolated my room from the rest of the house to minimize sound escaping from the room and noise from outside getting into the room. I know that this is not the same as tuning your room, but it is a good start to get the room as isolated as possible. I used DriCore subflooring to isolate the floor from the concrete basement floor. I then used techniques to isolate the ceiling and walls from the concrete walls and joists supporting the main floor, in effect creating a box within a box. I then used isolation clips on the joists with metal furring strips to hang the ceiling dry wall. I used mineral wool insulation to fill all cavities and used Quietrock 525 soundproofing drywall product on all walls and ceiling. I can have the room at operating sound levels and minimal sound escapes into the rest of the house. I am a night owl, so this was important to not disturb everyone else that goes to bed earlier. I made custom acoustic panels using Soundstop fiberboard by BlueRidge Cellotex wrapped with fiber batting and fabric to cover all wall surfaces to deaden the room. I wanted a hard ceiling, so this was the only major source of sound reflection. I painted it with a suede paint treatment, that did help to deaden the surface somewhat. I used cloth rather than leather upholstery on the seats to help deaden the room further. The DriCore floor has a very dense wool low pile carpet to help as well. I had virtually no holes in the walls or ceiling, since my speakers and equipment were inside the isolated room. Then I let SC-09 do its magic and let it EQ the room for me. I know this is not a purely scientific method, but I did a lot of research for a few years prior to commencing the project and have excellent results, imho.

SC-09TX, Klipsch KA-1000 amp
Klipsch Thx Ultra 2 speakers
KL-650 L C R
KS-7800 x 4 side and rear surrounds
KW-120 x 2 subs
JVC DLA-HD100 projector / Schneider Kino-Torsion Anamorphic 1.33x lens
Stewart Screenwall Electrimask Vertical 117" diag Studiotec 130 microperf
DirecTV HR-21 Pro
Sirius Satellite Rackmount Receiver
PS3
Pio 79AVI for SACD and DVD-A with i-link connection
Crestron CP2E, TPS6X touchpanel

Originally Posted by ss9001

^^
BDP-93. I admitted to myself I wouldn't really use the 95's analog audio, so the 93 met my needs.

Subjectively, Oppo's Qdeo PQ is equivalent to what's in the BDP-09, which to my eyes looked darn close to the same as the 05. I'd say the 09 looked just slightly better than the 05 so take it for what it's worth.

This is all eyes only, not using test disc patterns, etc.

The Oppo has Qdeo's newer 2nd gen chip. Pioneer does have a slight bit more tweakability, like decoupling the various NR schemes, while the Oppo does it by increasing the NR scale; as you gradually go up the adjustment scale, it will cut in additional NR modes. But in the real world, the PQ is so good, there's no need for all those adjustments anyway

Audio - no difference using HDMI

Other than PQ, what you'll get with the Oppo over the 05 is:

-so much faster load times it isn't a race
-universal player with SACD/DVD-A
-ability to add PLIIx matrixing to your DTS-MA discs. Set the Oppo to PCM and you can add anything you want, which is something you can't do with any Pioneer player
-add simple mod kits that are dirt cheap for region free playback of any BD/DVD
-ability to change anything in the menu on the fly, including audio formats, switch bitstream to PCM, tweak video settings without stopping or even pausing the disc
-firmware updates that actually add new features not just fix bugs & Oppo actually tells you what the updates really do - imagine that!
-so far, flawless playback, unlike our quirky 05's
-equivalent build quality IMO. Even the packaging says "class" with a capital C

2 channel PQLS? with all that the Oppo offers, who cares
Susano owners don't have it anyway

IMO, comparing it to Pioneer's $499 current best player, it's no contest. With all that it does, nothing that Pioneer has can touch it. IIRC, even the upcoming models don't play both SACD & DVDA

as ccotenj says, I promise you won't regret getting an Oppo

Originally Posted by ss9001

^^
BDP-93. I admitted to myself I wouldn't really use the 95's analog audio, so the 93 met my needs.



as ccotenj says, I promise you won't regret getting an Oppo

Originally Posted by Parrot_HD

My house took a near direct hit by lightening earlier this week. All of my equipment is run through a Panamax unit so none of my components completely fried out.

The SC-09's HDMI's were damaged, inputs and outputs (HDMI'S light on the front panel just blinks). the two HDMI'S inputs that I was using on the Pioneer plasma are now inop, the remaining two previously unused work fine. My PS3 powers on but now output through HDMI'S.

My Sony BDP-s5000es and apple TV came away unscathed, tested by running the Sony and ATV directly to the undamaged HDMI'S inputs on my display.

I contacted my insurance agent who finds it strange that the strike only damaged the HDMI'S and not frying the units completely out. I must admit I'm quite surprised by this too.

I'm just beginning the process of having this fixed through my insurance and wanted to get some feedback and advice. This is my first claim so I'm pretty green on what to expect.

Originally Posted by Parrot_HD

My house took a near direct hit by lightening earlier this week. All of my equipment is run through a Panamax unit so none of my components completely fried out.

The SC-09's HDMI's were damaged, inputs and outputs (HDMI'S light on the front panel just blinks). the two HDMI'S inputs that I was using on the Pioneer plasma are now inop, the remaining two previously unused work fine. My PS3 powers on but now output through HDMI'S.

Originally Posted by Parrot_HD

Thanks alot.

I was just told that once you have equipment damaged from lightening, the power center/surge protector should be thrown out and replaced.

There's no indication that there's anything wrong with it.

Originally Posted by ss9001

I had a similar hit back in '06, took out all my PC NIC's, cable modem, router, switch, and the component video/video processor in my 59TXi AVR. And garage door openers Nothing else & audio unaffected. The repair estimate was more than used 59TXi value, so insurance bought me a new one. I sold the damaged 59TXi to an AVSForum member for practically nothing (he didn't need the video part) and he's still a happy owner to this day

Originally Posted by ss9001

On Pioneer US website -

SC-57
A new flagship. A new class of receiver

Introducing the new flagship receiver of the Elite line: the SC-57. It wouldn't be an overstatement to call the new Elite SC-57 one of the most revolutionary receivers ever produced. Or that the industry has ever seen.

No new susano if they're calling this the flagship. Looks likely that the AVLand UK info is bogus or at least not accurate for this year

And it's confirmed, kiss gloss black goodbye. US versions are all brushed alum. just like the international ones - look like Marantz now. Maybe that's not surprising since, according to MCode, some Pioneer, Denon & Marantz models are all made in the same factory in China! Another economy of scale perhaps?

Originally Posted by ss9001

O it's still black just that brushed aluminum finish, not glossy. Here's a pic from Pioneer's site

Originally Posted by ss9001

And it's confirmed, kiss gloss black goodbye. US versions are all brushed alum. just like the international ones...

Originally Posted by WiWavelength

I have never had the privilege of examining an 09TX in person, so exempt it from this opinion. The gloss black SC series to this point have always looked impressive in photos. But, up close, they look and feel much more cheaply constructed, unfortunately. So, I, for one, do not lament the change in appearance. I hope that the brushed black aluminum is an improvement.

AJ

Originally Posted by spongebob

Look at the back; looks like it should have an attached power cord, LOL

Originally Posted by WiWavelength

If that is intended as a swipe at the new SC series, it is not a very successful one.

Compare the back panels of the outgoing 37 and incoming 57. They are practically identical, but the 57 does have gold plated connectors.

And, three years ago, the 05/07 actually did have attached power cords, which smacked of mid range mass market.

AJ