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post #5071 of 5375
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^^
Can you set the data speed of your com port? I'm not sure if setting the port's data speed to max 115200 or adjusting the FIFO buffering in Advanced com settings will help but you could try slowing the buffer down to help connectivity. I'm just taking guesses because it's not obvious to me why it's not working for you. Maybe Hkan can help.

Interesting - I just skimmed through Pioneer's RS232 Protocol sheet, it says the connection is 9600, 8 data bit, 1 stop bit, no parity - all basic settings. I'm a bit confused why the software is set at 57200 when the connection speed is 9600 but it's been a long time since I've had to play with these settings.
post #5072 of 5375
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Originally Posted by caseyse View Post

...will give Star Wars or Bridge over the River Kwai a try this evening

Bridge is definitely one that "bombed" all through the movie. That was the 1st title I encountered the problem. Definitely interested if the update fixed it for you.
post #5073 of 5375
I've hunted for Pioneer's firmware utility ufu.exe without success. Is this included in any particular Pioneer download, or ?

Update: I see the flash utility was included within the package. Now, where is my beer
post #5074 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Alicatt View Post

Amp off, laptop on desktop
connect the RS232 to the Amp and laptop
Amp on, volume to --, multizone off, amp shut down.
Press Zone2 and Enter until Amp starts up.
Up arrow to Download menu and then up to Main, right arrow and enter, menu on LX 90 now says Go On.
Start ufu.exe, make sure that Full is selected, click on the radio button for file select and select the "07ter_main_1020(081006).mot" and after a few seconds the main page of ufu opens, I select a base speed of 19,200 and a data send speed of 57,600, check that com1 is selected, check that in the Update info it says that Target Device is connected and then I click on start.
The Update Info boxes report that they are comunicating with the target device and after 4 seconds where it says "Steps" it says Update Failed (in red) and below that it says Target Device failed to comunicate, or Target Device timed out (I have had both those messages)

I'll look in to it!
if possible could you try with another cable?
post #5075 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Alicatt View Post

Amp off, laptop on desktop
connect the RS232 to the Amp and laptop
Amp on, volume to --, multizone off, amp shut down.
Press Zone2 and Enter until Amp starts up.
Up arrow to Download menu and then up to Main, right arrow and enter, menu on LX 90 now says Go On.
Start ufu.exe, make sure that Full is selected, click on the radio button for file select and select the "07ter_main_1020(081006).mot" and after a few seconds the main page of ufu opens, I select a base speed of 19,200 and a data send speed of 57,600, check that com1 is selected, check that in the Update info it says that Target Device is connected and then I click on start.
The Update Info boxes report that they are comunicating with the target device and after 4 seconds where it says "Steps" it says Update Failed (in red) and below that it says Target Device failed to comunicate, or Target Device timed out (I have had both those messages)

I've got the latest DSP update, however I can't find the firmware you are referring to, some help would be appreciated, thanks!
post #5076 of 5375
I'll give it a go with a diffrent cable this evening.
On looking at the properties of ufu.exe although it says version 1.08, in properties/details it says 1.06 with a date of 06/05/2003.

Can't adjust the speed or change the port on the win7 laptop but I will have a look adjusting it on the WinXP laptop.
post #5077 of 5375
ok. im not getting any success with updating my firmware. I burned the firmware to a cd-r. For that i just downloaded the firmware right clicked on the wav. file and paste it to the windows program to burn it to a cd-r,checked. I then connected a Sony dvp-sr200p dvd player to the reciever via coax cable,checked. And made sure the correct input on the avr was selected by playing a audio cd,checked. Put the cd-r in played it and paused it at 0:00,checked. Turned off the avr go into service mode and select DSP1-start-go on.. release the pause button on my player.. HDMI light not flashing.. cd-r playback ends at over 2 mins... no " ok " on avr. Then even had to reset it because it didn't want to go to the service mode. i did the whole process a couple times with no success. Even tried it with my bdp-09. Am i doing something wrong?
post #5078 of 5375
I first tried with my Sony MXD-D3 CD/Mini disk with a CD-R through an optical connection and it didn't work, tried it again with a Sony DVP NS700V DVD player via coax and again it didn't work, I burned a new CD in an DVD burner at a lower speed 4x rather than the 52x my Bluray burner likes to write at and that disk worked.
post #5079 of 5375
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

ok. im not getting any success with updating my firmware. I burned the firmware to a cd-r. For that i just downloaded the firmware right clicked on the wav. file and paste it to the windows program to burn it to a cd-r,checked. I then connected a Sony dvp-sr200p dvd player to the reciever via coax cable,checked. And made sure the correct input on the avr was selected by playing a audio cd,checked. Put the cd-r in played it and paused it at 0:00,checked. Turned off the avr go into service mode and select DSP1-start-go on.. release the pause button on my player.. HDMI light not flashing.. cd-r playback ends at over 2 mins... no " ok " on avr. Then even had to reset it because it didn't want to go to the service mode. i did the whole process a couple times with no success. Even tried it with my bdp-09. Am i doing something wrong?

one question I'd ask is -

did you burn it as a wav data file or as a music disc? It must be burned as an audio music disc & the wav file converts to a .cda audio "track". If the file on your disc is .wav, then it's a data disc & won't work.
post #5080 of 5375
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Originally Posted by caseyse View Post

I've hunted for Pioneer's firmware utility ufu.exe without success. Is this included in any particular Pioneer download, or ?

Update: I see the flash utility was included within the package. Now, where is my beer

keep us posted how you make out
post #5081 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Alicatt View Post

I'll give it a go with a diffrent cable this evening.
On looking at the properties of ufu.exe although it says version 1.08, in properties/details it says 1.06 with a date of 06/05/2003.

Can't adjust the speed or change the port on the win7 laptop but I will have a look adjusting it on the WinXP laptop.

When I get home from work I'll check all teh diffrent 1.08 versions I have! I just took one from the FW pack and included it.
post #5082 of 5375
Old cable and new cable same results, can read MCACC but nothing on ufu, today I only get a "Target Device not Connected" from ufu
Changing port speed in device manager has no effect on the connection, MCACC works and ufu dosn't.
Begining to think I may have to call the local dealer and see what he can offer, they have been quite good to me over the years even though I bought the Susano before I moved to Belgium
post #5083 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

When I get home from work I'll check all teh diffrent 1.08 versions I have! I just took one from the FW pack and included it.

Thanks.
post #5084 of 5375
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^^
the ufu that came in the update file I got says version 1.10 in Help but like you, 1.06 in the properties.
I got the file as zipped from a local tech who downloaded it directly from Pioneer US's web portal for service shops.
post #5085 of 5375
would be intresting to compare the "1.08" with the "1.10"

the properties of the version I have say:
Type Aplication
File version 1.0.6.0
Product name Unified Flash Update utility "UFU"
Product version 1.06
Copyright Copyright (c) 2002
Size 288KB
Date modified 06/05/2003 19:55
Language Japanese (Japan)
Legal trademarks UFU
Original filename UFU.exe
post #5086 of 5375
wow. hkan comes up with some firmware, and all the old timers pop up...

glad you guys are getting your issues fixed...
post #5087 of 5375
Where can I get the UFU.exe and the rest Susano firmwares apart from 3.014?

Thanks
post #5088 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ssak View Post

Where can I get the UFU.exe and the rest Susano firmwares apart from 3.014?

Thanks

Not positive but you may want to pm Hkan. He may know.

With all the help Hkan has supplied, don't forget to support his efforts through his website.
post #5089 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Alicatt View Post

Old cable and new cable same results, can read MCACC but nothing on ufu, today I only get a "Target Device not Connected" from ufu
Changing port speed in device manager has no effect on the connection, MCACC works and ufu dosn't.
Begining to think I may have to call the local dealer and see what he can offer, they have been quite good to me over the years even though I bought the Susano before I moved to Belgium

This is so very strange!
You are absolutly sure that the COM cable you used is really CROSS cable? And try to do same operation on desktop PC, not on laptop/notebook, since they may not meet correctly COM standars.
post #5090 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Alicatt View Post

would be intresting to compare the "1.08" with the "1.10"

the properties of the version I have say:
Type Aplication
File version 1.0.6.0
Product name Unified Flash Update utility "UFU"
Product version 1.06
Copyright Copyright (c) 2002
Size 288KB
Date modified 06/05/2003 19:55
Language Japanese (Japan)
Legal trademarks UFU
Original filename UFU.exe

for 1.10...

File Version 1.0.6.0
Product Version 1.06
Size 276 KB
Date: 10/28/2003 (or 25/10/2003)

The Help about confirms the date as Oct 28, 2003

Looks like they may be differences - different file sizes anyway

The svc manual says use 1.08, but the zip file I got from the tech included 1.10 not 1.08.

This may be more complicated than I thought
post #5091 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

for 1.10...

File Version 1.0.6.0
Product Version 1.06
Size 276 KB
Date: 10/28/2003 (or 25/10/2003)

The Help about confirms the date as Oct 28, 2003

Looks like they may be differences - different file sizes anyway

The svc manual says use 1.08, but the zip file I got from the tech included 1.10 not 1.08.

This may be more complicated than I thought

No. not complicated, V1.10 is just a newer version!
SM was writen like 4 yrs ago

Software might not work correct under windows 7!
post #5092 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

This is so very strange!
You are absolutly sure that the COM cable you used is really CROSS cable? And try to do same operation on desktop PC, not on laptop/notebook, since they may not meet correctly COM standars.

Yep it is cross cable, I use the Dell laptop for many aplications for control via RS232, it is the one reason I am hanging on to it is because the RS232 works so well!
I use it to control my telescope, to program and calibrate my TV, program the systems on my car, tho now I have fitted a CAN bus to USB adapter to make it a bit easier.
Moving either the desktop or the Amp is problimatical but might be easier to shift the pc into the cinema to try it.

@Steve well the dates on it are a bit newer and it's a bit (or byte?) smaller
Well in for a penny in for 1.10
post #5093 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

No. not complicated, V1.10 is just a newer version!
SM was writen like 4 yrs ago

Software might not work correct under windows 7!

That is why I'm using Win Xp pro on the laptop but I can put any version of Microsoft operating system on it if needed, I have them going back to Dos 3.1
post #5094 of 5375
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Originally Posted by caseyse View Post

I've hunted for Pioneer's firmware utility ufu.exe without success. Is this included in any particular Pioneer download, or ?

Update: I see the flash utility was included within the package. Now, where is my beer



So in which package we find the ufu.exe and the rest updates ?
post #5095 of 5375
Thanks Hkan,
1.10 has a diffrent interface from 1.08 and the instructions are diffrent too.
Ok will report back in a while...
post #5096 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Alicatt View Post

Thanks Hkan,
1.10 has a diffrent interface from 1.08 and the instructions are diffrent too.
Ok will report back in a while...

how are instructions different, Alicatt? What I sent looked similar to me to the screenshots in the service manual.

but main thing is - did it work?
post #5097 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

...........................................

.............................. - did it work?

Eighter it works and he is updating it now or something went very wrong.......!
post #5098 of 5375
No change
exactly the same result, but at least now I can change the com-port assignments on the Win 7 laptop
Tomorrow when I go out to work I'll stop by the computer shop and get a new cable and two plugs and make my own x-over cable, but I have tried it with three diffrent "shop bought" x-over cables.
Me is Stummped!

Oh and when you select the firmware to update the amp the program interface is exactly the same.
On the Win7 laptop with the USB/RS232 adapter reassigned to com1 it does say Target Device not connected (in red), if you select a diffrent com port it then says Target Device Connected (in blue)
I tested it with all selectable speeds up to 115k and on all com ports too.
The page 2 of the pdf has a diffrent interface than came up with 1.08, and diffrent than in the service manual, but that is for the DVD update firmware not the LX90 firmware. Looks like it alters the interface depending what firmware you are going to upload.
post #5099 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Alicatt View Post

Me is Stummped!

me too

I'm thinking I may try this tonight or tomorrow. Have to decide if I want to watch recorded Boardwalk Empire tonight or wait until after I mess with (not mess up ) the AVR.

really strange why it didn't work. South Park got his updated so it can be done! The instructions don't mention anything about using special Pioneer remote (needed for drives in DVD players, I think), just a PC, rs232 cross cable.

I'm mystified but I'll give it a try myself within the next 24 hrs and let you know.
post #5100 of 5375
Go for Boardwalk Empire, me likes this series very much.

If I can help with a specific question it happens I have the number of the technician at the service center, he was VERY nice and I sure would call him for some questions and post the answers here but I think Hkan has at least the same knowledge and he is already here.

I will contribute to your PayPal account tomorrow Hkan, I'm very thankful I got the 3.014 DSP1 from him.
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