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post #5161 of 5375
I have a SC-09tx and a PRO-151 plasma connected via HDMI. I was wondering, without using the 12v triggers, is there a way I can have my display turn off when my receiver turns off?

The reason being, my TV and audio components are quite far from one another and I cant just run the 12v cable over there, or I would. I know using the HDMI control you can have the receiver turn off when the display does, but I would really like to replicate the opposite effect.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
post #5162 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ssak View Post

Finally updated !!

There seems to be a problem with the latest version of UFU but the previous one worked OK..

I want to thank billtsag and Steve for their support.

PS. Now that we learn the procedure I wonder if we will ever do again in the future....


Likewise. Thanks Hkan and Steve. Successful update of all fw a month ago via laptop running Win98 and the Belkin cable. Glad I kept that laptop!
post #5163 of 5375
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Originally Posted by axhi View Post

I have a SC-09tx and a PRO-151 plasma connected via HDMI. I was wondering, without using the 12v triggers, is there a way I can have my display turn off when my receiver turns off?

The reason being, my TV and audio components are quite far from one another and I cant just run the 12v cable over there, or I would. I know using the HDMI control you can have the receiver turn off when the display does, but I would really like to replicate the opposite effect.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I also have the 151. But I don't use kurolink control so never tried using the receiver to control the TV. I'm willing to experiment for my own education & can post later

SR+ in the SC-09 might work but you'd have to still run a 3.5 mm monojack cable from receiver to TV.

This is a room esthetics thing but you could run a long length of 3.3 mm cable in a raceway (Home Depot - Wiremold) or similar from places like cableorganizer.com. They have all kinds of things to semi-hide wires & cables.

A programmable remote where you can create macros will also work, some have IR, RS-232 & even IP control. The SC-09 doesn't include network control but you can use either IR or rs232 in a macro. The macro can turn multiple devices on/off with 1 button press on the remote. Universal Remote has many models that can be programmed, but they don't give out the software to users, only to the dealers. If you have a friendly dealer, they may be persuaded to give you the software if you have good relations & ask...programming remotes is a revenue stream for them. I've never used a Logitech Harmony but it also *may* do macros, a Logitech expert has to answer that one for you
post #5164 of 5375
Thread Starter 
axhi

I knew there was a reason why I hated HDMI control

Yes, you can use the TV to turn the SC-09 on/off.
No, you can't use the SC-09 to do the same. At least it didn't work for me.

That plus it always switching AVR input to TV on startup + overall complexity it adds to use = crummy way to control your system!

My advice one of the following:

-look into wireless 12v trigger devices, they do exist, did a search & here are several that popped up:

http://www.snapav.com/p-385-dfm-rf-trig-12v.aspx
http://shop.elitescreens.com/wireless12vtrigger.aspx
http://www.homecinemacenter.com/Wire...li-ZSPTR01.htm

-get a good programmable remote, learn to program or pay your dealer/installer to create some macros.

-bite the bullet & run a long length of 3.5 mm monojack cable for trigger (possibly SR may also work) & figure out a decor friendly way to hide it. Stuff it under the toe strip of your baseboards or something.

HDMI Control is not a workable solution as it exists in the SC-09 & 151. Maybe it's gotten better with newer gear but somehow I doubt it.

Talk to some dealers that do automation & see what they recommend. I know I wouldn't part with my URC remotes & I haven't even done that much macro work.

Good luck & I'd be curious if you try the wireless approach, how it works out
post #5165 of 5375
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Originally Posted by Dutch07 View Post

Likewise. Thanks Hkan and Steve. Successful update of all fw a month ago via laptop running Win98 and the Belkin cable. Glad I kept that laptop!

congratulations!
It's nice feeling knowing you have fixed issues AND beat Pioneer at their own silly games
post #5166 of 5375
From my SC07 experience it's the Display that controls the receiver off/on.

How about a universal remote or a home automation system instead?
post #5167 of 5375
Steve,

Thank you so much for the great replies, I think I am going to try the wireless 12v trigger. I have iRule and have a GC gateway connected to my receiver but nothing connected to my TV which is why I wanted some trigger.

These macros you speak of, they would still require the 12v trigger or something right? Either way, I think its the best option and I will give it a go!

Joey
post #5168 of 5375
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

From my SC07 experience it's the Display that controls the receiver off/on.

How about a universal remote or a home automation system instead?

Hi eldit - hope things are going well
post #5169 of 5375
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Originally Posted by axhi View Post

These macros you speak of, they would still require the 12v trigger or something right?

actually macro is a term used by the universal remote companies for a bit of programming where you control more than device with one button press.

example - let's say you have a button for Watch Blu-ray, it could turn on the player, receiver, and TV, set the TV to the correct HDMI input, and set the receiver to the correct HDMI input for the player, all by pressing the button once.

URC makes great remotes, worth checking out, but the more sophisticated ones take PC software to program, there's a learning curve, and you either have to get the software from the dealer or pay them to program it.

You might want to check out the Logitech Harmony.

If the receiver & TV are not near ea other, for a programmed macro in a univ remote to work well, you may need to use IR to RF and use emitter on the receiver. If you want to look at univ remotes, I'd suggest downloading the manuals to see what it involves for that particular remote.

A dealer who does home automation could fix you up with best options in your budget.
post #5170 of 5375
oh ok. I've been using macros just didnt know they were called that.

I have macros set-up now that change my receivers and do all the good work, but I still wouldn't be able to set one up for my TV because my actual remote does not have IR. I use my iPad through iRule and I haven't set up a gateway near my TV because I thought that this silly HDMI control might be an option. I will be trying the 12v trigger and if not I will just get a WiFi gateway and setup the IR through there.

Thanks again for your help! You saved me lots of headache.
post #5171 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post


Hi eldit - hope things are going well

All is well- thanks. I'm sitting on the savings sidelines just following the threads lately. So far for my main music (DVD-A and SACD) I'm plenty satisfied with my SC-09TX.

Though it is fun to watch the -57 thread...

Just bought a dual output Samsung 6700 to let the ol' flagship remain relevant whilst I dive into the 3D waters.

Now where is that upgrade? Oh wait it's not coming it's a Pioneer.
post #5172 of 5375
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Originally Posted by axhi View Post

I have a SC-09tx and a PRO-151 plasma connected via HDMI. I was wondering, without using the 12v triggers, is there a way I can have my display turn off when my receiver turns off?

The reason being, my TV and audio components are quite far from one another and I cant just run the 12v cable over there, or I would. I know using the HDMI control you can have the receiver turn off when the display does, but I would really like to replicate the opposite effect.

All you need is a Harmony 900 remote, I'm MORE than happy with mine.
post #5173 of 5375
Can anyone tell me if there's a way to hook up a second zone whilst still running bi-amp front in a 7.2 setup? Failing that, do the zone 2/3 operate simultaneously or independenlty to the main zone.

I'm just finishing up my media room and would like a couple speakers in our patio area.

If I connect an external amp to the zone 2 pre-outs, can I play the same music as the main zone consecutively?
post #5174 of 5375
I would like to know your advice about my situation.
I have the Oppo BDP95EU + Epson TW9000 + Pioneer SC-LX90.
Now i am using OPPO’s two HDMI outputs. HDMI1 directly to projector TW9000 for video and HDMI2 to Pioneer SC-LX90 receiver for sound.
Speakers are M&K S150 THX Ultra + M&K SS150 surround speakers.
What if i use the Mch analog outputs from Oppo to SC-LX90?
Do you think i can get a better sound performance?
Shall i choose the HDMI output for sound or Mch analog outputs?
post #5175 of 5375
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by damienbuckley View Post

Can anyone tell me if there's a way to hook up a second zone whilst still running bi-amp front in a 7.2 setup? Failing that, do the zone 2/3 operate simultaneously or independenlty to the main zone.

I'm just finishing up my media room and would like a couple speakers in our patio area.

If I connect an external amp to the zone 2 pre-outs, can I play the same music as the main zone consecutively?

Not using internal amps, no
they'd be all used with the bi-amp.

BTW - if you aren't using active bi-amp (ext crossover), passive bi-amp is not gaining you that much. If you nixed the bi-amp idea, you could use 7.2 + Zone 2 or 7.2 + Spkr B modes & use the internal amps.

If you had an extra amp or receiver laying around, you could hook up the multizone 2/3 outputs to it and run speakers on the patio with the ext amp. It's described in the manual. I'm not a multizone expert, damien, have only used the AVR in main HT room.

check out pg. 71-74 in the manual for details. the other issue of course, is control of the susano, so you'd need IR receivers in the other rooms or use RF-IR with a universal remote like the URC's with their RF transmitters.
post #5176 of 5375
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Originally Posted by rgokdemir View Post

I would like to know your advice about my situation.
I have the Oppo BDP95EU + Epson TW9000 + Pioneer SC-LX90.
Now i am using OPPO’s two HDMI outputs. HDMI1 directly to projector TW9000 for video and HDMI2 to Pioneer SC-LX90 receiver for sound.
Speakers are M&K S150 THX Ultra + M&K SS150 surround speakers.
What if i use the Mch analog outputs from Oppo to SC-LX90?
Do you think i can get a better sound performance?
Shall i choose the HDMI output for sound or Mch analog outputs?

Here's some of the issues in using multichannel analogs -

The Susano has 6 wolfson 8741 DAC's for all channels. The oppo 95 has 1 ESS sabre 32 DAC for its multichannel outs. The ESS in theory looks a bit better on paper (32 bits, higher signal/noise ratio). Whether this results in audibly better sound would be debatable & possibly offset by possibly not using the receiver's mcacc EQ, etc.

A "downside" to you using analogs is - are you willing to without MCACC's EQ? You'd use the player's calibration to set crossover, speaker levels, distances and now you have to decide to

1. use Pure Direct mode in the receiver, and also turn MCACC off. In which case you lose EQ, Standing Wave filters, Phase Control

or

2. use Direct or Auto Surround mode so you can apply Phase Control, Standing Wave & EQ. But if you apply EQ, you'll also engaging the MCACC's crossover, distances & speaker levels so doubling up on bass management & settings is probably not the best idea.

or

3. don't use bass management, speaker levels, distance in the Oppo (if that's an option) and let MCACC do the whole thing.

Those are the practical considerations. Here's a theoretical one - if you engage any of the digital processing in the Pioneer, even if its midnight mode, you will be doing an D/A > A/D > D/A conversion before the speakers. Purists seem to think the extra analog-digital conversion is something that *could* impact sound quality, depending on how good the AD converter is and your ears The susano uses 192khz/24 bit AD converters, so you wouldn't lose much in the translation back to digital. But let's be honest, each conversion loses "something" but who knows how audible it really is.

I've done this myself in connecting an old sansui quad receiver to the multichannel analogs. Personally, I don't think I can hear a difference. But I have aging ears

I realize you'd like to use those analogs you paid for, but HDMI is just a lot simpler to use and has no downsides.

I'm an experimenter myself & if you have some spare cables, I would suggest trying it. With your player, I'd probably end up using HDMI for movies & for sure use the hi-quality dedicated 2 ch DAC on another input for pure stereo listening. Maybe I'd use the multichannel analogs for multichannel music but personally, I would not want to lose the benefits of all that MCACC & other processing can do.

I'm a big multichannel music fan so I can understand the temptation. But I think HDMI for all multichannel sources is worth your time to try before going to all the effort of multich analogs.

I have an oppo 93 and a Pio BDP-09 with Wolfsons on its analogs. I keep saying I'd like to try the 09's analogs, but I haven't yet. HDMI is just too convenient & I'm getting lazy

If you decide to try the analogs, please let us know how u like it.
post #5177 of 5375
Thanks Steve,

I called one of my friend. I am not used to buy regular cables so i will try his cables before buying mine. He has Audioquest King Cobra interconnects.
We will try it on weekend if the weather is not snowy here.

Honestly i do not want to loose the MCACC advantages but i want to hear the mch analog sound of Oppo 95-Susano pair too.

I really appreciate your information and thank you for giving your time for replying my msg.

I will write the result when i try .
post #5178 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post


Not using internal amps, no
they'd be all used with the bi-amp.

BTW - if you aren't using active bi-amp (ext crossover), passive bi-amp is not gaining you that much. If you nixed the bi-amp idea, you could use 7.2 + Zone 2 or 7.2 + Spkr B modes & use the internal amps.

If you had an extra amp or receiver laying around, you could hook up the multizone 2/3 outputs to it and run speakers on the patio with the ext amp. It's described in the manual. I'm not a multizone expert, damien, have only used the AVR in main HT room.

check out pg. 71-74 in the manual for details. the other issue of course, is control of the susano, so you'd need IR receivers in the other rooms or use RF-IR with a universal remote like the URC's with their RF transmitters.

Thanks for the feedback. I've already spent some serious cash on 36m of biwire cables so not keen on single wiring. The manual seems to suggest bi-amp is the way to go but you mention using an external crossover. The amp has HF & LF outputs marked but it sounds like you think thats more show than go? So are you suggesting whacking an active crossover in somewhere between the amp/speakers?

So, what does bi-amp om the LX-90 actually do then?

I'm very lucky in that I'm building a pretty big online store for a home theatre company. They're reciprocating by hooking all my gear up with an iPad control system, amongst other toys I wouldnt have afforded otherwise, so repeaters etc not required : )

Sounds like the best bet is a cheaper amp & speakers for outside.
post #5179 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post


Here's some of the issues in using multichannel analogs -

The Susano has 6 wolfson 8741 DAC's for all channels. The oppo 95 has 1 ESS sabre 32 DAC for its multichannel outs. The ESS in theory looks a bit better on paper (32 bits, higher signal/noise ratio). Whether this results in audibly better sound would be debatable & possibly offset by possibly not using the receiver's mcacc EQ, etc.

A "downside" to you using analogs is - are you willing to without MCACC's EQ? You'd use the player's calibration to set crossover, speaker levels, distances and now you have to decide to

1. use Pure Direct mode in the receiver, and also turn MCACC off. In which case you lose EQ, Standing Wave filters, Phase Control

or

2. use Direct or Auto Surround mode so you can apply Phase Control, Standing Wave & EQ. But if you apply EQ, you'll also engaging the MCACC's crossover, distances & speaker levels so doubling up on bass management & settings is probably not the best idea.

or

3. don't use bass management, speaker levels, distance in the Oppo (if that's an option) and let MCACC do the whole thing.

Those are the practical considerations. Here's a theoretical one - if you engage any of the digital processing in the Pioneer, even if its midnight mode, you will be doing an D/A > A/D > D/A conversion before the speakers. Purists seem to think the extra analog-digital conversion is something that *could* impact sound quality, depending on how good the AD converter is and your ears The susano uses 192khz/24 bit AD converters, so you wouldn't lose much in the translation back to digital. But let's be honest, each conversion loses "something" but who knows how audible it really is.

I've done this myself in connecting an old sansui quad receiver to the multichannel analogs. Personally, I don't think I can hear a difference. But I have aging ears

I realize you'd like to use those analogs you paid for, but HDMI is just a lot simpler to use and has no downsides.

I'm an experimenter myself & if you have some spare cables, I would suggest trying it. With your player, I'd probably end up using HDMI for movies & for sure use the hi-quality dedicated 2 ch DAC on another input for pure stereo listening. Maybe I'd use the multichannel analogs for multichannel music but personally, I would not want to lose the benefits of all that MCACC & other processing can do.

I'm a big multichannel music fan so I can understand the temptation. But I think HDMI for all multichannel sources is worth your time to try before going to all the effort of multich analogs.

I have an oppo 93 and a Pio BDP-09 with Wolfsons on its analogs. I keep saying I'd like to try the 09's analogs, but I haven't yet. HDMI is just too convenient & I'm getting lazy

If you decide to try the analogs, please let us know how u like it.

This is a great explanation and answers a few things I've been chewing over of late. I currently have a Panasonic DMR-BW500 which is a combined PVR / BluRay recorder if you're not familiar with it. I've been wondering about adding a dedicated BD player such as the latest Oppo, Cambridge Audio or Denon 2012UD, for one I figure a dedicated unit must be an improvement over what I have now and also I'd like to have a crack at SACD etc. But, I did wonder how best to hook it up and if I'd be getting the benefit of spending all the $$$'s if I route everything through the Susano via HDMI... Yours is a good explanation and the HDMI for movies / surround music and analogue for stereo is a good one. I'll be back to let everyone know how its going.
post #5180 of 5375
This is my build thread if you want to see the project 'Yet another down under HT':
post #5181 of 5375
Thread Starter 
^^

db
somehow your link didn't make it. If you re-post, some might like to take a look

btw - if you are serious about getting into sacd/dvd-a, another option which takes advantage of what we do have in our susanos is find a used DVD-59avi or 79avi (sorry, don't remember both international equivalent model #'s, I think one was 868avi but not 100% sure). Both players had I-Link so you can take advantage of PQLS. Some here have used Esoteric & I also have a Sony XA9000ES player both of which have ILink but I don't know if we've ever confirmed they activate PQLS. Some suggest Sony's HATS is compatible.

other than those options, for an all-around universal BD player, you can't go wrong with Oppo 93 or 95. Reading threads on the newest Pio players, I would avoid those. Too buggy & no updates yet.

Oppo is fantastic on FW updates and the player is rock solid. An added benefit is if you let it decode DTS-MA to PCM, you can finally add PLIIx to the tracks with the susano. Other models probably will too but don't know which ones. Older Pioneer players won't due to how they decoded DTS-MA.
I'm sure the Denon will be a good choice, too.
post #5182 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^

db
somehow your link didn't make it. If you re-post, some might like to take a look

btw - if you are serious about getting into sacd/dvd-a, another option which takes advantage of what we do have in our susanos is find a used DVD-59avi or 79avi (sorry, don't remember both international equivalent model #'s, I think one was 868avi but not 100% sure). Both players had I-Link so you can take advantage of PQLS. Some here have used Esoteric & I also have a Sony XA9000ES player both of which have ILink but I don't know if we've ever confirmed they activate PQLS. Some suggest Sony's HATS is compatible.

other than those options, for an all-around universal BD player, you can't go wrong with Oppo 93 or 95. Reading threads on the newest Pio players, I would avoid those. Too buggy & no updates yet.

Oppo is fantastic on FW updates and the player is rock solid. An added benefit is if you let it decode DTS-MA to PCM, you can finally add PLIIx to the tracks with the susano. Other models probably will too but don't know which ones. Older Pioneer players won't due to how they decoded DTS-MA.
I'm sure the Denon will be a good choice, too.

Sorry, here tis' - couldnt figure out how to get the URL in the iPad app so had to go desktop

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1349954

Feel free to skip the demolition stuff and rambling and get right to the current progress.

The finished rig will include:

Pioneer SC-LX90
Pioneer KRP-600M Plasma
Panasonic DMR-BW500
Cambridge Audio Azur CD 740C
HD set top box
Xbox 360
Monitor Audio RS6/RSLCR/RSFX speakers (planning to add a second set of surrounds at the back but dont have them yet)
Velodyne CHT-12R sub
Apple TV
Synology DS1010+ NAS
TP-Link Cat6 Patch Panel & Gigabit Switch

Wiring in place for a projector & motorised screen.

I like the look of the Oppo players - very keen to audition the 95.

The Cambridge Audio 751BD is based on the same platform and has the same Wolfson DACS & upsampling as my CD player - which I know puts out a stunning sound. The difference in scale between the analogue output after upsampling etc > analogue-direct through the LX90 is breathtaking compared to the digital out.

I'll have to check out the Oppo, Cambridge and Denon players before buying.

I dont have many SACD's so would just like the option in a really nice BD player. I see they all have twin HDMI outs too which is a bonus as I can run one right to my projector when I get it and not have to worry about any 3D pass-through problems which may / may not arise.

Agreed on the Pio players. I think the BDP-LX91 was their last great player but hopelessly outdated now and WAY overpriced too.
post #5183 of 5375
wow, that's gonna be killer... looks like you are making good consistent progress...

hint: whatever you do, DON'T hang the projector until you are done... work slows down to a very slow rate once the pj is hung...

i see you have the same mitsu split a/c setup that i have... that made a HUGE difference in my house...
post #5184 of 5375
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

wow, that's gonna be killer... looks like you are making good consistent progress...

hint: whatever you do, DON'T hang the projector until you are done... work slows down to a very slow rate once the pj is hung...

i see you have the same mitsu split a/c setup that i have... that made a HUGE difference in my house...

Thanks. I cant wait - most of my gear listed above has been boxed up for the past 12 months - had nowhere to put it. I dont have a projector yet - hoping to get one in the next year or so but I auditioned the new Monitor Audio GX range today so they may get the vote.... IWhen funds allow for the proj, 'm thinking something like the JVC X3 with a 130" cinemascope drop-down screen.

The Mitsubishi's are great units. I bought 4 when we moved in; 2 in the bedrooms, one for the office and the biggest one in the media room. Very quiet, very efficient. We had whole house ducted in the last place and never again. Hugely expensive to run and if the external unit went down, it all went down. Not great in Queensland in summer...
post #5185 of 5375
Would the sc 09tx still be worth buying used today for mid 2000 range or is it outdated i have a oppo 93 and am looking at a new receiver was leaning towards the new denon 4313 or integra 80.3 i know these sc09 were very high end i dont want to buy one if it wont work with todays blueray audio set ups
post #5186 of 5375
Hi guys,

kindly I need some advise from you guys I just bought the Pioneer LX90 Susano
and I want to buy new THX Speakers for it.

what is the brand speakers to choice and match the Susano?

THX speaker or not?
post #5187 of 5375
@degastino
It depends on your room size.
I am very happy with my MK S150THX setup in 28sqm .

I tested my Oppo BDP95 MCH outputs with Susano.
The interconnects were Audioquest King Cobra.
With the default settings of Oppo i was not pleased.
We changed the speaker distances , volumes etc. in Oppo's menu.
It was ok but compared to HDMI connection and MCACC advantages it did not satisfy me.MCH analog setup is finished for me.
As a result : I am going on with HDMI
Here is the link for a few pics.

http://imageshack.us/g/841/68684365.jpg/
post #5188 of 5375
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Originally Posted by akbash View Post

Would the sc 09tx still be worth buying used today for mid 2000 range or is it outdated i have a oppo 93 and am looking at a new receiver was leaning towards the new denon 4313 or integra 80.3 i know these sc09 were very high end i dont want to buy one if it wont work with todays blueray audio set ups

Hi, sorry I didn't see your post - was away for > week so missed it.

How to answer you...it kind of depends. I know that's a cop-out & not an answer

Yes, I think the SC-09 still has value and may be worth a buy at a good price & IF you need or place hi value on the amp power, # of speaker options and some of its unique features.

That said, while it isn't "obsolete" per se, it is falling behind by not having heights/widths, 3D pass-through (HDMI 1.3b), not all the latest i-control features, etc.

As far as MCACC room EQ is concerned, it is fundamentally the same as what's in the latest SC-57 models.

I'm in a tough situation to answer you because I hope to sell mine someday (maybe late 2012 or 2013, depending on alternatives from Denon). And I certainly hope someone like yourself considers buying it

That said, consider your options & what you place a value in. If you have an older Pioneer universal player with ILink for SACD/DVD-A playback, this is the last AVR with ILink & PQLS over ILink. To have something similar to PQLS in Pioneer or Denon, you'll need one of their newer BD players. Denon players cost a bundle, a lot more than an Oppo, and Pioneer's latest BD players seem to be having issues or bugs that Pioneer hasn't fixed yet.

If you place no value on PQLS or DenonLink or don't think you can audibly tell the difference, then you are free to explore other options with a clear conscience

Denon 4311/4313 would be my 1st choice for an alternative to an older style flagship type AVR like the SC-09. You would get heights/wides, the latest Audyssey room EQ system, sub EQ, and decent amps (just not as powerful as what's in the SC-09).

SC-57 could also be a good option, although between it & the Denon 4311/4313, I'd pick the Denon due to Pioneer still not incorporating a dedicated sub EQ in their MCACC.

Other considerations -
The build quality of the SC-09 is par excellence! Not any other former flagship or current AVR is better. Separates construction unlike all current AVR's.

The front display is still a very nice feature for visibility and readability.

I don't know....$2K buys you a heck of a modern, latest feature AVR. If you use those features, I'd say you should look forward not back (this is painful to say this because again I hope to sell mine sometime!) If you are not going to use these features, like network control, i-control, more than 7.1 speakers, and really do need the power for less efficient speakers, then the SC-09 could meet your needs. Don't expect Pioneer to offer any upgrade package since they have pretty much made it clear by their silence that they have no plans to do so.

It's still a heck of a AVR, but it looks like it won't be updated. A year ago, I could give you a hearty endorsement. Now, unless you can get a good deal, the Denon 4311 would be hard to beat. I guess that's my bottom line

Keep in mind, the SC-09 was designed to compete with the Denon 5308, Yamaha RZ11, and even the Denon AVP prepro. 2 of these are becoming increasingly "obsolete". Only Denon has seen fit to offer their owners an upgrade pkg to make the 5308 "current". But that pkg costs ~$1K.

So, if you plan on enjoying the SC-09 for a year or so and flipping it, then it could be a very nice toy...if your plan is to keep it for 5-10 yrs, I'd say go with the latest modern AVR (ouch).

I still have mine as do others here. I still very much enjoy mine and that's why it's been so hard for me personally to think about replacing it. It's a really cool AVR, the best Pioneer ever made! Maybe you'll find it compelling enough to buy, give a proper home and keep for awhile

Let us know which way you decide. Eventually, I have to decide when to move on & what the market will be for a used susano. So your thoughts are helpful as you make your decision.

Then again, I really don't need the new latest features, so I can live with mine for years to come if I wanted to....it's that good! Others here will say the same thing. That's why it's hard to recommend one way or another.
post #5189 of 5375
^^^

pretty good defense of the susano, considering i could tell your heart wasn't in it...

op... buy a 4311... the susano is the "power and connectivity" king, but time has passed it by...

i would not trade my a100 (anniversary edition of 4311) for my old susano...
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Originally Posted by dagostino View Post

Hi guys,

kindly I need some advise from you guys I just bought the Pioneer LX90 Susano
and I want to buy new THX Speakers for it.

what is the brand speakers to choice and match the Susano?

THX speaker or not?

help us help you...

1) budget...
2) what speakers have you listened to that you like?

fwiw, you don't have to buy speakers to "match" avrs... modern equipment is neutral...
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