Originally Posted by akbash
Would the sc 09tx still be worth buying used today for mid 2000 range or is it outdated i have a oppo 93 and am looking at a new receiver was leaning towards the new denon 4313 or integra 80.3 i know these sc09 were very high end i dont want to buy one if it wont work with todays blueray audio set ups
Hi, sorry I didn't see your post - was away for > week so missed it.
How to answer you...it kind of depends. I know that's a cop-out & not an answer
Yes, I think the SC-09 still has value and may
be worth a buy at a good price & IF you need or place hi value on the amp power, # of speaker options and some of its unique features.
That said, while it isn't "obsolete" per se, it is falling behind by not having heights/widths, 3D pass-through (HDMI 1.3b), not all the latest i-control features, etc.
As far as MCACC room EQ is concerned, it is fundamentally the same as what's in the latest SC-57 models.
I'm in a tough situation to answer you because I hope to sell mine someday (maybe late 2012 or 2013, depending on alternatives from Denon). And I certainly hope someone like yourself considers buying it
That said, consider your options & what you place a value in. If you have an older Pioneer universal player with ILink for SACD/DVD-A playback, this is the last AVR with ILink & PQLS over ILink. To have something similar to PQLS in Pioneer or Denon, you'll need one of their newer BD players. Denon players cost a bundle, a lot more than an Oppo, and Pioneer's latest BD players seem to be having issues or bugs that Pioneer hasn't fixed yet.
If you place no value on PQLS or DenonLink or don't think you can audibly tell the difference, then you are free to explore other options with a clear conscience
Denon 4311/4313 would be my 1st choice for an alternative to an older style flagship type AVR like the SC-09. You would get heights/wides, the latest Audyssey room EQ system, sub EQ, and decent amps (just not as powerful as what's in the SC-09).
SC-57 could also be a good option, although between it & the Denon 4311/4313, I'd pick the Denon due to Pioneer still not incorporating a dedicated sub EQ in their MCACC.
Other considerations -
The build quality of the SC-09 is par excellence! Not any other former flagship or current AVR is better. Separates construction unlike all current AVR's.
The front display is still a very nice feature for visibility and readability.
I don't know....$2K buys you a heck of a modern, latest feature AVR. If you use those features, I'd say you should look forward not back (this is painful to say this because again I hope to sell mine sometime!) If you are not going to use these features, like network control, i-control, more than 7.1 speakers, and really do need the power for less efficient speakers, then the SC-09 could meet your needs. Don't expect Pioneer to offer any upgrade package since they have pretty much made it clear by their silence that they have no plans to do so.
It's still a heck of a AVR, but it looks like it won't be updated. A year ago, I could give you a hearty endorsement. Now, unless you can get a good deal, the Denon 4311 would be hard to beat. I guess that's my bottom line
Keep in mind, the SC-09 was designed to compete with the Denon 5308, Yamaha RZ11, and even the Denon AVP prepro. 2 of these are becoming increasingly "obsolete". Only Denon has seen fit to offer their owners an upgrade pkg to make the 5308 "current". But that pkg costs ~$1K.
So, if you plan on enjoying the SC-09 for a year or so and flipping it, then it could be a very nice toy...if your plan is to keep it for 5-10 yrs, I'd say go with the latest modern AVR (ouch).
I still have mine as do others here. I still very much enjoy mine and that's why it's been so hard for me personally to think about replacing it. It's a really cool AVR, the best Pioneer ever made! Maybe you'll find it compelling enough to buy, give a proper home and keep for awhile
Let us know which way you decide. Eventually, I have to decide when to move on & what the market will be for a used susano. So your thoughts are helpful as you make your decision.
Then again, I really don't need the new latest features, so I can live with mine for years to come if I wanted to
....it's that good! Others here will say the same thing. That's why it's hard to recommend one way or another.