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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
yes you can but there are restrictions plus a setting you have to change.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

this is from the US manual, pg 110

it won't work with HDMI inputs, and only those listed in the top right of the page. you have to connect with analog video (composite, SVideo). not sure about component video but for that low resolution display, it's probably not worth the effort to use component video wink.gif

it also states that you may have to go into the video processor settings and make a change if no picture....my guess is the resolution smile.gif
Thank,the picture appears but HDMI must be Control so the receiver has no sound.What another suggestion?smile.gif
post #5342 of 5378
Thread Starter 
did you use the SIG SEL button to change the audio from AUTO to ANALOG audio?

the manual clearly says what inputs can be used, plus you have to use analog video & audio connections; no HDMI. if you're unconverting to HDMI from analog video, while that may work, I'm not sure if audio will work. if you don't have analog audio connections I'm guessing but you may not get audio that way. but I have no idea for sure.

HDMI control? have no idea if that would interfere or not. other than trying it out with analog video input, I never had a need to use the feature so did no experimenting with it. try turning it off.

I have no other suggestions...sorry

good luck smile.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 6/30/13 at 6:01am
post #5343 of 5378
My "Susano" is making a strange thing...
For the first time i was watching a Laserdisc recorded in Dolby Digital EX 6.1.

When i start playing it detects Dolby PL II, so far so good.... but on the hot scenes where the sound comes greater it blinks, and changes the screen to "analog output out" for 1 or 2 seconds, and if the scene is more extended that message is permanent, but the sound doesn't fails, the sound is very good.

Any suggestion?

Tank you all
post #5344 of 5378
I am also a PIONEER SC-09TX owner and this week i saw something that called my attention, but i don't know if it will be better than the Pioneer...
I saw the Yamaha CX-A5000 + MX-A5000 (PRE/PRO) with lots of features.
I was about to trade the Susano for the Krell Pre Pro S-1200U + S-1500, but then i saw the yamaha and the diference in price is huge, the Yamaha set costs $6000 and the Krell set around $20000. In the High End point of view there is no comparison, but the Yamaha looks very well built and i feel it will be even better than the Pioneer...
post #5345 of 5378
Had a question... Does the SC-09 have enough voltage to run pro amps? I'm going to run a quad subwoofer setup. And each sub cab has a built in pro amp. So I bought 1m/2fm 2x y-cable to plug into the L/R sub out. Then I got 4 RCA-XLR cables. XLR ends go into the inputs of the subs. The pro amps are from Speaker Power. Thanks...
post #5346 of 5378
Ok.. Kind of did some search on this thread. And what I found out was that the pre- outs sends out 1.5v. Is that correct? Is those numbers same as 1.5vrms? If it is then that is more then enough drive pro amps. Am I right?
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Anyone?
post #5348 of 5378
I may not understand your question correctly but if the subs have their own amp, there should not be a problem connecting multiple subs to the SC 09. I have an SC 35 and have used 3 or 4 subs. I am currently using 3 18in. subs power by pro amps with xlr inputs. The signal from the Pioneer is split for the subs since the avr is a 7.1 unit..
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Ok.. Kind of did some search on this thread. And what I found out was that the pre- outs sends out 1.5v. Is that correct? Is those numbers same as 1.5vrms? If it is then that is more then enough drive pro amps. Am I right?

Voltage output depends on source voltage and volume knob which attenuates (reduces) preamp voltage when set to negative.

For a 0.0 dB source input signal, and at 0.0 dB on the volume dial, preamp out is 1.5 v (can be considered same as vrms, volts rms or volts root mean squared, like amps used to rated)

Unless the pro amps have high input sensitivity, much higher than 1.5v, the SC-09 should drive them fine.

Bottom line, if the application is sub amps, then of course it will work since receivers are designed to send preamp level signals to subwoofers with built-in or external amps.
post #5350 of 5378
Ok.. Thanks bros.. Would you guys know if using a the SMS-1 in the chain reduces the output voltage after the SMS-1? I wonder if that was the problem that some people was having with their SMS-1... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449145/im-done-with-the-sms-1-it-limits-the-output-of-my-submersives

I'm going to run 4 JTR S2 subs. Which should arrive by next week. I know these subs have built in pro amps. I was thinking of just going straight from the sc09 to the subs and leave out my sms-1. Because I kind of like the idea of the true L/R sub outs of the SC09. But I need some kind of EQ. So a mini dsp comes to mind. And I know the mini allows to keep stereo sub out. Also the reason I ask about the voltage output is because the 2x4 mini offers a 0.9 vrms max version and a 2.0 vrms max. So I guess I have to go with the 2.0 one since output from the AVR is 1.5. Am I correct?
Edited by rhed - 11/4/13 at 10:16pm
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Would you guys buy a used sc-09 for $ 1,500 or a sc-79 for 2k? Having a hard time deciding....
post #5352 of 5378
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Originally Posted by Dust Bubble View Post

Would you guys buy a used sc-09 for $ 1,500 or a sc-79 for 2k? Having a hard time deciding....

Either one isn't a really bad choice, but it depends how much the previous owner used and/or abused the sc-09. The new class D pioneers are really good so I think I would probably buy the new one. In fact, I just sold my sc-09 and plan to go back to A/B.
post #5353 of 5378
I look at this thread from beginning to end and it is really quite sad. Watching the excitment from the beginning, to the waining interest. To much equipment churning in my view. The Susano SC-09TX and VSX-59TXi are both magnificent pieces. For sound quality and within the power-drive limits, it doesn't really get too much better for HT and even for music only. A show report I read recently demonstrates that perhaps the ultimate sound / 'absolute sound' i.e. recreation as near as possible of the real event can be accomplished more readily with multi-channel DSD. Several top reviewers experienced a sony multi-channel DSD system and were totally blown away - even John Atkinson.

The beauty of the SC-09TX is that it has the capability to deliver very close to state of the art multi-channel sound with SACD and other hi-res formats that finally can compete with the sound of vinyl and indeed surpass it.

The SC-09TX is beautifully built - a statement piece by the designer and by Pioneer. The same can be said of the VSX-59TXi, which has an 'overbuilt' quality much as the Accuphase pieces. Listening to VSX-59TXi through its now 'old tech' usb connection even with Youtube sounds really superb. These Pioneers are above all highly musical.

I would hang on to these pieces because they are going to be very sought after in the years to come - especially if they are in great condition.
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By the way, thanks so much for this thread ss9001
post #5355 of 5378
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

Voltage output depends on source voltage and volume knob which attenuates (reduces) preamp voltage when set to negative.

For a 0.0 dB source input signal, and at 0.0 dB on the volume dial, preamp out is 1.5 v (can be considered same as vrms, volts rms or volts root mean squared, like amps used to rated)

Unless the pro amps have high input sensitivity, much higher than 1.5v, the SC-09 should drive them fine.

Bottom line, if the application is sub amps, then of course it will work since receivers are designed to send preamp level signals to subwoofers with built-in or external amps.

ss

Are you still running the 09? I kinda lost track of this thread!

bob
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

ss

Are you still running the 09? I kinda lost track of this thread!bob

yes I still am smile.gif

and a SC-68 along with it. using the 09's amps by connecting the 68's preamp outs to the 09's analog multichannel in's. cumbersome but it does work wink.gif I use both, depending on source and mood.

this way I keep the 09 for its "panache", vintage connections and some other unique features, like Ilink, but I also have the new features, surround formats, and music capabilities in the 68.

member sdrucker took the idea and ran with it but in his case he bought a close-out priced Sherwood 972 Trinnov receiver as a prepro mated to his Denon 4311 (or maybe it's a 4520, I forget). he really wanted to experiment with Trinnov EQ system.

member TK-713 also kept his SC-09 after recently getting a SC-79. he just couldn't bring himself to part with it. I relate to that smile.gif

how's it going with you?
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

yes I still am smile.gif

and a SC-68 along with it. using the 09's amps by connecting the 68's preamp outs to the 09's analog multichannel in's. cumbersome but it does work wink.gif I use both, depending on source and mood.

this way I keep the 09 for its "panache", vintage connections and some other unique features, like Ilink, but I also have the new features, surround formats, and music capabilities in the 68.

member sdrucker took the idea and ran with it but in his case he bought a close-out priced Sherwood 972 Trinnov receiver as a prepro mated to his Denon 4311 (or maybe it's a 4520, I forget). he really wanted to experiment with Trinnov EQ system.

member TK-713 also kept his SC-09 after recently getting a SC-79. he just couldn't bring himself to part with it. I relate to that smile.gif

how's it going with you?

Good, Steve

Just bought a Mac MX-119 and using the vsx59 power amp section and EQ/THX when desired (multi in) but mostly stream direct 3!

bob
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by OShag View Post

By the way, thanks so much for this thread ss9001

thanks for the compliment! smile.gif

I enjoyed this thread a lot, we learned from each other and it was fun.

I fully share your sentiments on the Susano and 59TXI being statement pieces. both were over-built, by today's standards, and both very musical.

you comparing the SC-09 to an Accuphase is mighty praise. I've never owned Accuphase gear, don't think I ever saw any in any dealer. but I probably couldn't afford them or justify the cost. but Accuphase gear is beautiful to look at, no doubt about that, if only in photos wink.gif Accuphase to me is like an audiophile's version of a Mercedes or maybe Rolls smile.gif

DSD files - that will be my next frontier in music playback. I haven't bought any yet but there are a few DSD files on Acoustic Sounds I'd like to buy just to try out. only disappointment is no big push to do 5.1 DSD. I love multichannel music and it's a crying shame Sony and other labels didn't dig deeper into their vaults to update some of the quad era "classics", like all the Columbia Santana catalog in SQ; those were phenomenal in 4 channel and could have made Sony some money if they had released on SACD. still, I am very glad there are some engineers like Steven Wilson doing 5.1 versions of classic rock.

I'm hopeful new Pioneer receivers will include multichannel DSD capability...that way, an owner is prepared for the tsunami of multichannel DSD rock that's going to come out from Sony tongue.gif I can always hope wink.gif
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You owners are lucky to have this receiver. The last best made and built product by Pioneer. Never sell it.
post #5360 of 5378
Steve,

Some of the best sound I have ever heard was from a multichannel system. DVD-A multi-channel can be awesome if its mixed sensibly. SACD multichannel can be similarly superb, but the best I've heard was with DVD-A.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/my-epiphany-pass-labs-sony-kimber-and-dsd-files

I noted that NEO-Geo has one heck of a setup - Susano driving Revel Studio2 surround system. These speakers are not easy to drive so clearly Susano must have some serious horsepower that belies the modest numbers (by monster amp standards that is).
Edited by OShag - 2/5/14 at 8:38pm
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Am checking out speakers that offer the best of both worlds for 2-ch stereo use and for multi-channel surround system duties. I know there are probably 'better' 2 channel super amps and preamps that would be 'the best' but for now its about the Susano or 59TXi. I've had brilliant stuff in the past but keeping it simple now plus I love the sound of the Susano and 59TXi. SS9001 / Steve, Saprano - NEO Geo, anyone else your thoughts are much appreciated.
Edited by OShag - 2/7/14 at 12:05pm
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Hey There,

 

I'm new to this forum.  I joined b/c I upgraded my speakers and I'm thinking of replacing my SC-09 to upgrade the amplification.  I spoke with a Pioneer dealer recently, and he suggested that, with my new speakers being 4ohm load, that I should set my SC-09 to match.  I looked through the 160-page owners manual and couldn't find any info on this feature.  Does it exist?  Can anyone here point me in a direction?

 

I love my SC-09, but if it's not providing enough power to drive my 9.2 setup at THX levels, then I'll have to kiss it goodbye.

 

Any suggestions?  Thanks!

post #5363 of 5378
SC-09 not providing enough power ?
What are your power requirements needs?
George
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Good question.  After I purchased my new speakers, I had my professional calibration guy come in and tweak and tune everything. My projector was due, so I had him do the sound also.  I had noticed a little "blurring" in the mid-bass at THX levels -- nothing bad, just not crystal clear.  He was the one who suggested that my speakers were underpowered.  Who am I to argue with a pro?  

 

My speakers are line-array, with 16 tweeters and 12 mid-woofers, so they're hungry beasts. 

 

I've used Mac amps before, at 200 - 250w/ch, and heve never found them lacking for power.  I just can't afford 9 channels of Macintosh :-(  So the Pioneer is rated at 150/1400 total.  I'm just thinking that with 5 of these hungry speakers  (out of the 9 total that I'm running), that 1400watts may be getting spread a little thin.  Don't know, that's why I put it out there.

post #5365 of 5378
All those watts don't even get used with regular content. The SC09's amp section should be more than enough for any speaker. Heck, one reveiwer mentioned the SC27 drove his Revel2 salon's at reference level without strain.

It's more about current.
post #5366 of 5378
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Originally Posted by j-bomber View Post

Hey There,

I'm new to this forum.  I joined b/c I upgraded my speakers and I'm thinking of replacing my SC-09 to upgrade the amplification.  I spoke with a Pioneer dealer recently, and he suggested that, with my new speakers being 4ohm load, that I should set my SC-09 to match.  I looked through the 160-page owners manual and couldn't find any info on this feature.  Does it exist?  Can anyone here point me in a direction?

I love my SC-09, but if it's not providing enough power to drive my 9.2 setup at THX levels, then I'll have to kiss it goodbye.

Any suggestions?  Thanks!


AVRs that have speaker impedance switches have them to optimize results on the test bench with pure sine waves and load resistors. They don't do anything significant either way for music played over speakers the lower impedance position may cause a barely audible loss of peak power.

If your manual does not mention such a thing, I'd believe the manual over the dealer.

The issue of AVR power is controversial, partially because of the legend and rumor that has been attached to the issue. In general audiophiles seem to have no idea how much power they actually need.

Probably the best way to estimate your power needs is to measure peak SPL with a SPL meter and then estimate power based on speaker efficiency and listening distance using one of the many online calculators designed for that purpose. You can get a good SPL meter for far less than an amplifier upgrade and they are easy enough to use.
post #5367 of 5378
If it has a impedance switch it would be in the service menu I think.
post #5368 of 5378
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by j-bomber View Post

Hey There,

I'm new to this forum.  I joined b/c I upgraded my speakers and I'm thinking of replacing my SC-09 to upgrade the amplification.  I spoke with a Pioneer dealer recently, and he suggested that, with my new speakers being 4ohm load, that I should set my SC-09 to match.  I looked through the 160-page owners manual and couldn't find any info on this feature.  Does it exist?  Can anyone here point me in a direction?

I love my SC-09, but if it's not providing enough power to drive my 9.2 setup at THX levels, then I'll have to kiss it goodbye.

Any suggestions?  Thanks!

there is no impedance switch on the SC-09/LX90 but the amps work well on 4 ohm rated speakers. I use mine with Magnepans and no problems. the receiver's reviews have published test measurements at 4 ohms.

all impedance switches do is limit current. with a 1400 watt power supply you shouldn't have a problem!
post #5369 of 5378
Hi there,
......This is a very late chime-in on this topic..........
RE: This is in relation to the "DTS HD-bomb" & the "DSP-FLASH ROM via CD" issue many where looking into, specifically all the talk in this particular Official SC-09TX/SC-LX90 thread, between pages at about 167 to 177, and where evryone got help from "HKAN" for the latest firmware updates for this sc-09tx/sc-lx90 flagship amplifier!!

PLEASE refer also to about pg's 167-169, there you'll find on-line "LINK's" to HKAN's postings of the latest DSP Flash Rom's (that you can update via CD/DVD player.

Let me start by saying that the :
1) OPPO BDP-95 does NOT have a compatible MTK, Mitsubishi, or Fujitsu system drive that supports this particular update, as I tried this already!

2) Toshiba HD-XA2 hd-dvd player (or in my case, the Toshiba HD-XE1, the Aussie equivalent of this hd-dvd player), DOES in fact work!!!! for the "updating of the DSP FLASH ROM" procedure, that "Hkan, Dragnet, ss9001, South Park, ssak, Alicatt, and so many others on this forum have been chiming in on in the past!

So this is my steps:
1) Burn the wav. file that Hkan posted on this site, i.e its 21.2MB(22,271,358 bytes), the 5,508 KB size compressed file, & labelled "f16M3014sc5x.wav", to a blank CD.
2) I used "MagicISO Maker", just Google search for this software o-line, then chose FILE, NEW, burn AUDIO CD Image, then follow the instructions for this procedure...........
3) After burning, popped this into my "Toshiba hd-dvd HD-XA2 (or HD_XE1 Aussie) player.
4) I connected the hd-xa2 via "DIGITAL" OPTICAL cable, to the Pioneer SC-09TX receiver!....
#Make sure the Toshiba hd-xa2 has the following SETUP settings changed to accommodate this DIGITAL optical connection.
i.e. #Set "Digital Out HDMI"................................PCM
#Set "digital DIRECT AUDIO MODE"............OFF
Also, remeber to turn-OFF the HDMI output from the Toshiba HD-XA2 hd-dvd player, to the SC-09TX amplifier, otherwise, in the SC-09TX, you cannot adjust the "Signal Select" to "SIGSEL: Auto[Digital]", & it will just show up as the regular "SIGSEL: Auto[hdmi]
What this indicates is that the SC-09TX is NOT receiving the intended "DIGITAL" optical signal from the Toshiba HD-XA2 player.
5) Also, make sure the INPUT that you have now switched to in your Pioneer SC-09TX flagship amplifier/receiver............is set to the particular "INPUT" that you are in fact sending from the Toshiba HD-XA2 player........e.g. it may be the "DVD" input on the SC_09TX, that you have set-up to recieve the "DIGITAL only" feed from the hd-dvd player, remebering to turn off the HDMI signal feed.

Anyway's, below is the actual OFFICIAL SC_LX90/SC-09TX Service Manual instructions regarding this procedure, that Hkan and other's have posted as well, prior, on pages 165-178 of this forum:


HOW TO UPDATE THE DSP FLASH ROM BY PLAYING BACK A CD
• There is no information to be shown in this chapter.
[Connections]
Connect this unit and a player, as shown in the figure below.
[Preparations]
Burn the DSP flash ROM firmware (.wav file) to a CD-R disc using commercially available burning software.
It is necessary to select the writing format to "For music player", not "For PC data".
Note:
Depending on a burning software, data on a CD-R may not be worked for updating the DSP flash ROM.
If the HDMI indicator does not flash when playing back a update disc by following procedure 5, the disc is not able to use for
updating.
Burn the DSP flash ROM firmware to a CD-R disc, using other burning software. (The burning software that operation check
is finished: Record Now !)
Please use DVD player based on MTK system (DV-270, 370, 373, 575K, 280, 380, 383, etc. ) ,Mitsubishi system (DV-59AVi,
868AVi, S969AVi, 668AVi, etc. ) or Fujitsu system (DV-343, 444, 545, etc.) DO NOT use DVD player based on ST system
(DV-353, 454, 250, 400, 555K, 260, 363, 464, 466, 563, etc. ) The factory confirmed that DVD players based on ST system
cannot send the correct data to the VSX unit using the update disc.
You can check the base system of our DVD players on the firmware version list at PSN web (Niis)
• Coaxial cable or Optical cable
• Update disc (CD-R disc)
[Tools to be used]
[Purpose]
[Note]
• Do NOT disconnect the AC cords of this unit nor the CD/DVD player while rewriting is in progress.
• The "OK" indication displayed after updating means the checksum on the flash ROM is OK.
If the "OK" indication is not displayed, updating has not been completed.
Note that confirmation with audio check or version check is insufficient for checking if updating has been completed.
If you set the unit to STANDBY OFF without confirming of "OK" indication on the FL display, be sure to perform the updating
procedures again.
By referring to this section, rewrite the DSP Flash ROM when required. Rewriting is instructed through service information, etc.
By playing back a CD-R on which a DSP program is recorded, using a normal CD player, rewriting is possible.
CD or DVD player This unit
Digital connection
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1. Check the versions of the DSP and microcomputer.
Check the versions by referring to "Version screen" in "6.1 SERVICE MODE."
2. Connect a CD or DVD player.
(1) Connect the CD or DVD player to be used for updating to any digital input connector of this unit.
(2) With the INPUT SELECTOR, select the input being used.
3. Check if the digital signal is locked (received).
(1) Play back a stream for updating with the player.
(2) Set the receiver to normal setting, "Signal Select" to Auto, then check the SIGSEL item of AUDIO INPUT screen
on the STATUS display whether the input is set to Auto and Digital. (SIGSEL: AUTO [DIGITAL])
4. Start up this unit in writing mode.
(1) Relocate the CD playback starting point to the beginning (time: 0:00) of the track No and pause playback.
(2) Set the volume of the receiver to - ∞ dB and set the receiver to STANDBY OFF.
(3) Press the ENTER key and the ZONE 2 (MULTI-ZONE CONTROL) key simultaneously for several seconds.
(4) Press “j” key until it enters the predetermined mode.
When DSP1 is downloaded:
Display: DSP1 DOWNLOAD [START?] → Press the Enter key. → Display: DSP1 DOWNLOAD [GO ON]
When DSP3 is downloaded:
Display: DSP3 DOWNLOAD [START?] → Press the Enter key. → Display: DSP3 DOWNLOAD [GO ON]
5. Play back the track on CD disc.
(1) Release Pause mode of the player and play back the track where the DSP program stream signal to be burned
is stored.
(2) After 5 to 10 seconds, the HDMI indicator starts flashing. Be sure to check that it is flashing.
(3) Flashing indicates that a correct stream is being received and that updating is in progress.
Note: Do NOT turn off the unit while the HDMI indicator is flashing. If the unit is turned off, be sure to go back to Step
4. (As the Flash ROM goes into unusual status if the power is off during rewriting, the unit may not start
properly.) Even in such a case, you can restore the unit by performing Steps 4 to 7.
6. Wait until rewriting is completed.
(1) Basically, wait until "OK" is displayed on the LCD screen. It takes about several minutes for updating DSP1 or
DSP3.
(2) After confirming that "OK" is displayed, stop or pause the player then turn off the power of the Player and the
Receiver after 5 seconds.
7. Check the version of the program after updating.
(1) Check the version by pressing and holding the ENTER key and ZONE 2 (MULTI-ZONE CONTROL) key
simultaneously for several seconds.
(2) Check the downloaded version with the LCD screen.
DSP1 : ∗.∗∗∗
DSP3 : ∗.∗∗∗
(3) For confirmation, check basic operations.
[Procedures]
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Troubleshooting of DSP FLASH ROM UPDATE
Symptoms Items to be checked
The HDMI indicator does not start
flashing, and 10 seconds or more has
elapsed after a updating stream is input.
Is DSP writing mode entered? (Simultaneously press and hold the ENTER and ZONE 2 keys.)
Is DIR locked?
→ You can check this on the Signal Select indicator if the input is set to Auto and Digital. If DIR is
not locked, check the input function and digital connections between the player and this unit.
Is the stream (Track No., etc.) being played back correct?
Are compressed audio signals, such as WMA, being input when or after writing mode is entered ?
→ As soon as the compressed audio signals are input, writing mode is exited. It is recommended
that playback be paused at the beginning of the track of a updating stream then writing mode is
entered by simultaneous pressing of the keys. Release Pause mode after entering of writing mode
is confirmed.
Writing mode is not entered upon
simultaneous pressing of the ENTER and
ZONE 2 keys.
Is the volume control of the receiver set to -∞ dB? If not, set it to -∞ dB (- - -).
Reset the receiver then enter writing mode.
Note: All the user data stored in the receiver are cleared when the receiver is reset.
"OK" is not displayed.
Is the track played back from the beginning to the end?
→ With the receiver in writing mode, be sure to play back the stream track twice.
If an error is generated because any scratches on the disc, "OK" is not displayed.
→ In such a case, play back the same stream stored on another track as backup.
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8.3 HOW TO UPDATE THE FLASH ROMS FOR VARIOUS MICROCOMPUTERS
Pin-out diagram of
RS-232C cross cable
1. Turn off the power to this unit by setting the main volume
level to "---dB" and Multi-Zone to "OFF".
2. Connect the 232C interlink cable and the PC, as indicated
in "Connections".
3. Simultaneously press and hold the ENTER and ZONE 2
keys for about 5 seconds.
4. Turn the power ON at SERVICE mode.
5. (MAIN microcomputer)
Press j key and select "MAIN DOWNLOAD [START?]" display.
Press ENTER key and set to "MAIN DOWNLOAD [GO ON]".
(EVENT microcomputer)
Press j key and select "EVNT DOWNLOAD [START?]" display.
Press ENTER key and set to "EVNT DOWNLOAD [GO ON]".
(DISPLAY microcomputer)
Press j key and select "DISP DOWNLOAD [START?]" display.
Press ENTER key and set to "DISP DOWNLOAD [GO ON]".
(NEW ITEM microcomputer)
Press j key and select "ITEM DOWNLOAD [START?]" display.
Press ENTER key and set to "ITEM DOWNLOAD [GO ON]".
(DSP microcomputer)
Press j key and select "DSPM DOWNLOAD [START?]" display.
Press ENTER key and set to "DSPM DOWNLOAD [GO ON]".
(HDMI microcomputer)
Press j key and select "HDMI DOWNLOAD [START?]" display.
Press ENTER key and set to "HDMI DOWNLOAD [GO ON]".
6. Double-click on "ufu.exe".
7. Check that "Full" is selected in Mode Select.
8. Select the firmware file with "mot" extension.
9. Select the communication speed.
• Base speed: 19200
• Data Send Speed: 57600
10. Click on "START" button.
11. "Completed" is displayed in the"ufu.exe" window.
12. Check the version.
Following the procedures described in
"VERSION screen" in "6.1 SERVICE MODE," check
that the version has been changed to a new one.
13. Initialize the memory in the ALL RESET of CONTROL
PANEL mode after the updating is completed.
(Refer to the section "6.3 CONTROL PANEL MODE.")
[Procedures]
• PC with a serial port
• RS-232C cable (9-pin to 9-pin, cross)
• Firmware ("mot" extension)
• Program for updating (ufu.exe: ver. 1.08)
[Tools to be used]
[Purpose]
[Note]
Do NOT disconnect the AC power cords of this unit nor the PC.
Refer to this section when updating of a Flash ROM is required by the service information, etc.
Check that "Full" is selected in Mode Select.
Select the communication speed.
• Base Speed: 19200
• Data Send Speed: 57600
MAIN, EVENT, DISPLAY, NEW ITEM, DSP and HDMI microcomputers
[Connections] (MAIN microcomputer) (DSP microcomputer)
(EVENT microcomputer) (HDMI microcomputer)
(DISPLAY microcomputer)
(NEW ITEM microcomputer)
Connect as indicated in the figure right:
RS-232C
cross cable
(9-pin to 9-pin)
PC This unit
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8.4 HOW TO UPDATE THE FLASH ROMS FOR USB MODULES
• iPod
• Firmware file ("Player.rom" file)
Note: Place the "Player.rom" file for updating in the root directory (top layer) of the iPod.
[Tools to be used]
[Procedures] OSD
[Purpose]
Referring to this section, rewrite the USB firmware when rewriting is instructed through service information.
1. Turn down the volume to minimum (- - - dB).
2. Press and hold the and [POWER] keys for about 5
sec.
3. After about 20 sec., the current firmware version is
automatically displayed.
Note: When this version indication is displayed, the host
board is ready. Therefore, do not connect the iPod
until this indication is displayed.
4. Connect the iPod.
The name of the file for updating is always "Player.rom."
5. Counting continues until updating is completed.
6. Updating is completed.
Turn the power OFF.
Host preparing
for rewriting
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Hi there,
......This is a very late chime-in on this topic..........
RE: This is in relation to the "DTS HD-bomb" & the "DSP-FLASH ROM via CD" issue many where looking into, specifically all the talk in this particular Official SC-09TX/SC-LX90 thread, between pages at about 167 to 177, and where evryone got help from "HKAN" for the latest firmware updates for this sc-09tx/sc-lx90 flagship amplifier!!

PLEASE refer also to about pg's 167-169, there you'll find on-line "LINK's" to HKAN's postings of the latest DSP Flash Rom's (that you can update via CD/DVD player.

Let me start by saying that the :
1) OPPO BDP-95 does NOT have a compatible MTK, Mitsubishi, or Fujitsu system drive that supports this particular update, as I tried this already!

2) Toshiba HD-XA2 hd-dvd player (or in my case, the Toshiba HD-XE1, the Aussie equivalent of this hd-dvd player), DOES in fact work!!!! for the "updating of the DSP FLASH ROM" procedure, that "Hkan, Dragnet, ss9001, South Park, ssak, Alicatt, and so many others on this forum have been chiming in on in the past!

So this is my steps:
1) Burn the wav. file that Hkan posted on this site, i.e its 21.2MB(22,271,358 bytes), the 5,508 KB size compressed file, & labelled "f16M3014sc5x.wav", to a blank CD.
2) I used "MagicISO Maker", just Google search for this software o-line, then chose FILE, NEW, burn AUDIO CD Image, then follow the instructions for this procedure...........
3) After burning, popped this into my "Toshiba hd-dvd HD-XA2 (or HD_XE1 Aussie) player.
4) I connected the hd-xa2 via "DIGITAL" OPTICAL cable, to the Pioneer SC-09TX receiver!....
#Make sure the Toshiba hd-xa2 has the following SETUP settings changed to accommodate this DIGITAL optical connection.
i.e. #Set "Digital Out HDMI"................................PCM
#Set "digital DIRECT AUDIO MODE"............OFF
Also, remeber to turn-OFF the HDMI output from the Toshiba HD-XA2 hd-dvd player, to the SC-09TX amplifier, otherwise, in the SC-09TX, you cannot adjust the "Signal Select" to "SIGSEL: Auto[Digital]", & it will just show up as the regular "SIGSEL: Auto[hdmi]
What this indicates is that the SC-09TX is NOT receiving the intended "DIGITAL" optical signal from the Toshiba HD-XA2 player.
5) Also, make sure the INPUT that you have now switched to in your Pioneer SC-09TX flagship amplifier/receiver............is set to the particular "INPUT" that you are in fact sending from the Toshiba HD-XA2 player........e.g. it may be the "DVD" input on the SC_09TX, that you have set-up to recieve the "DIGITAL only" feed from the hd-dvd player, remebering to turn off the HDMI signal feed.

Anyway's, below is the actual OFFICIAL SC-LX90/SC-09TX Service Manual instructions regarding this procedure, that Hkan and other's have posted as well, prior, on pages 165-178 of this forum:

http://www.pioneerfaq.info/index.php?question=Firmwares&type=AVR
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