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post #361 of 506
The simulcast of WCCB-DT on M/H 18.10 has now been encrypted. As a quick test I wanted to see how a few receivers acted.

Storm Dtv will no longer see this channel when scanning. It sees clear 18.11 just fine.
DeconTis will see the signal but will no longer lock the streams. After updating to the latest version, it will see the ATSC Streams but not the MH.
The LG DP-570 MH will tune the channel but displays a blank screen. It sees clear 18.11 just fine.

That is all I have tried so far.
post #362 of 506
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Detroit Mobile Digital TV Update

WDIV has encoded their M-DTV channel, which can not be received by existing M-DTV tuners. This is due to the station owner, Post-Newsweek, belonging to the Mobile Content Venture. http://www.themcv.com/

Other local MCV members include ION (owner of WPXD), FOX (owner of WJBK), and Scripps Networks (owner of WZYZ).

In other words, 4 of the 5 local stations that have announced they will be offering M-DTV will be encrypting their mobile channels.

Further, if you are in the market for a M-DTV tuner, don't buy one now as none of them will work with encrypted stations.
post #363 of 506
Kevin Hunt's article in several Tribune papers:
post #364 of 506
Registering to watch OTA TV, so broadcasters and advertisers can track my viewing? No thanks.
post #365 of 506
Originally Posted by arxaw View Post

Registering to watch OTA TV, so broadcasters and advertisers can track my viewing? No thanks.


The Dyle technology also permits it to turn off individual receivers, setting it up as a subscription service. (Dyle, at the start, will be free.)

Double no thanks from me.
post #366 of 506
Originally Posted by scowl View Post

Double no thanks from me.

Enjoy PBS and the religious channels on the unencrypted feeds! There is no business model for untracked viewing unless you are asking for donations...
post #367 of 506
So, you're saying there is no business model for watching free OTA commercial television? If so, the broadcasters should just give the damned spectrum back.
post #368 of 506
Originally Posted by Mizzou! View Post

There is no business model for untracked viewing unless you are asking for donations...

Oh Really? Ever heard of OTA Tv and Radio?
post #369 of 506
I have said it before and I will say it again. Nielsen's policy of only counting viewing when a Nielsen family watches a show at home is very stupid. I have had a Nielsen diary twice. The instructions are that each book is assigned to one tv set. There is no provision for shwos you watched away from home. It says that if you are on vacation the whole week to return the diaries with on vacation whitten in them. If I were to be on vacation, I would have written what shows I watched in my hotel room, contrary to the instructions. If I had watched anything on a mobile set, I would have written that down, contrary to the instructions. I think the instructions should be the same as Arbitron's radio diaries, "anytimke you hear a radio, whether or not you chose the station". Tv ratings diaries should count shows watched on a mobile set, in a hotel room, in a bar, at another person's house, wherever.
post #370 of 506
Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

Oh Really? Ever heard of OTA Tv and Radio?

I'm suprised you feel that way Bob!

OTA and Radio use diaries or them fancy people meters to gauge viewership (listeners). Without any measurement system, how would a free to air system sell advertising? By my promise that x number of eyeballs will have seen your message?

How do you pay for that compelling programming that people like to watch (listen)?

I'm all for free, but there has to be a way for the broadcaster to pay the bills!

(Let the flames begin)
post #371 of 506
Originally Posted by Mizzou! View Post

OTA and Radio use diaries or them fancy people meters to gauge viewership (listeners). Without any measurement system, how would a free to air system sell advertising?

I've been watching television and listening to the radio for a few decades now, yet I have never been required to keep a diary to track my viewing or wear a People Meter to monitor what stations I've been listening to (not that they work with headphones).
post #372 of 506
But someone else has. That's how over the air broadcasting works. Internet streaming works with a lot more sophistication. I can extrapolate how many people are watching from the test sample.

Mobile DTV is subject to the same broadcast fees that the DTV signal requires, and I have yet to see how the "simulcast" M-DTV stations are paying the content providors for use of the "new" signal, or if they are doing only local, non-syndicated programming (weather channels) on the small screens.

The initial comments went to the effect: "No way do I want the broadcaster to track my viewing", implying the privacy invasion would prevent them from registering the device. If the signal is unencrypted, the content providors will desert the broadcaster faster than rats from a sinking ship, taking any hope of developing substantial viewership. That is with a no-cost registration with the broadcaster.

I fear that we are becoming a "pay for the signal you want" society. The smartphone $60/month fee is apparently acceptable to the "I want it now" consumers.
post #373 of 506
Originally Posted by Mizzou! View Post

I'm suprised you feel that way Bob!(Let the flames begin)

Oh, I tend to agree with Desert Hawk on that issue. Some would say Nielsen doesn't really track anything with any accuracy.. ..I've been in Tv for almost 30 years with wifey in radio that long.
post #374 of 506
Originally Posted by bdfox18doe View Post

I've been in Tv for almost 30 years with wifey in radio that long.

I started in 1982 as well. AC Nielsen is not a perfect system, but as I've been told, sometimes you have to dance with the one that brung you.

I convinced the wife to steer clear of any broadcasting job, she's a quicker learner than me!
post #375 of 506
Originally Posted by Mizzou! View Post

AC Nielsen is not a perfect system, but as I've been told, sometimes you have to dance with the one that brung you.!

Especially since she is the only one you can dance with...But I probably had better stop typing while I am ahead....
post #376 of 506
Of course you know that Pem Farnsworth accused Philo of seeing "The Other Woman" while he was inventing television...
post #377 of 506
Originally Posted by Mizzou! View Post

But someone else has. That's how over the air broadcasting works.

Great. Let them pay monthly for the encrypted OTA broadcasts. The concept was a smashing success for USDTV.
post #378 of 506
Originally Posted by scowl View Post

Great. Let them pay monthly for the encrypted OTA broadcasts. The concept was a smashing success for USDTV.

I wasn't aware of anyone encrypting M-DTV charging anyone anything for the signal. Did I miss something?
post #379 of 506
Wow, I just checked the first post on this thread and it was on 05-14-08. Here it is nearly 4 years later and we have very little to choose from in the way of products. The RCA MIT700 would probably interest me more if it was a full Android tablets, as well. From what I have read so far, the tablet will be limited in applications. I suppose the good thing is potential competitors might offer a full blown tablets with ATSC-M/H. Or there will be devices to add Mobile DTV to an iPad or Android tablet. In the meantime, I am petty underwhelmed.
post #380 of 506
I think this is what you are looking for: http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/b...ntent-venture/

The dongle plugs into the tablet, and uses the earphone cord as an antenna.
post #381 of 506

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post #382 of 506
Can someone please help me with a couple questions?

I purchased this...


In hopes of getting over the air digital TV in my truck. Scanning thru this thread, I am thinking I did not. I get nothing when it is hooked up but a picture that says "Bad Signal".

If this is the wrong thing, is there something that will pick up over the air signal in PGH Pa?

Thanks in advance for any help.
post #383 of 506
Unfortunately, to my knowledge, no station in Pittsburgh currently provides Mobile DTV. I imagine that when it does come, WPXI will be at the top of the list of stations providing it.

- Trip
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post #385 of 506
Maybe we will hear some more Mobile DTV news this week!


OMVC, ATSC, MCV and Mobile500 groups will all be involved in demonstrations of mobile broadcasts at NAB
By George Winslow -- Broadcasting & Cable, 4/13/2012 12:24:23 PM
With launches of mobile DTV services expected to begin this summer, broadcasters, vendors and technology organizations will be out in force at NAB demonstrating the technology and new devices to receiving the signals.

Demos of mobile DTV technologies can be found at the Mobile DTV Pavilion, which is sponsored by the Open Mobile Video Coalition (OMVC) and at the ATSC Tech Zone run by Advanced Television Systems Committee as well as at the booths of various vendors.

The demonstrations are particularly notable because the two broadcaster-backed groups who are planning to launch service this year will be showing more complete versions of what their mobile DTV platforms will look like.

Both demonstrations will occur at the Mobile DTV Pavilion, where the Mobile Content Venture will display its Dyle Mobile TV mobile DTV offering on a variety of devices and the Mobile500 Alliance of stations will be showcasing mobile DTV system that will be soft launched this summer on Fisher Communication's KOMO and in the Minneapolis-St. Paul market on Hubbard Broadcasting's KSTP-TV station.

"With more than 120 stations now on the air with mobile DTV signals and two new business groups ramping up for launch, now is the time to see the new products and services that will make mobile DTV an indispensable service," said Vince Sadusky, president of the OMVC and CEO of LIN Media in a statement. "A new range of Mobile DTV receivers will be bringing mobile viewing innovations to viewers across the country, making local news, weather, sports, entertainment and emergency alerts immediately available to people no matter where they are located."

The Mobile Content Venture, a joint-venture of 12 major broadcast groups, has previously announced alliances with consumer electronics manufacturers to bring new mobile DTV-capable devices to market and to develop external devices that will allow existing iPads and smart phones to receive live broadcast signal.

The Mobile500 Alliance, which is made up of 50 member companies that hold licenses to 437 TV stations, will demonstrate its solution that offers live TV, DVR type functionality for recording live TV, on demand programming, social media integration, closed captioning and interactive advertising.

Also included in the Mobile500 solution are new tuner devices, which are small adapter/dongles for iPads and iPhones that will be shown at NAB. They will be available through online retailers in the summer of 2012.

Separately, the Mobile500 also announced that four new public television stations had joined its membership: WTTW/Chicago, Maryland Public Television, Public Broadcasting Atlanta, and New Mexico.

Other public stations already in the alliance include: MHz Networks/Washington, DC, WGBH/Boston, and Twin Cities Public Television/Minneapolis-St. Paul.

WGBH, Public Broadcasting Atlanta, and New Mexico PBS are already broadcasting Mobile DTV.

The new members increase the reach of Mobile500 stations to 94% of the U.S. homes.

"When we founded Mobile500 in late 2010, our bylaws explicitly opened membership to all television broadcasters," noted Colleen Brown, president of the Mobile500 Alliance Board of Directors and president and CEO of Fisher Communications in a statement. "We are delighted that these leading public stations have joined out ranks and hope more will make the same decision,"

Dan Schmidt, president and CEO of WTTW Chicago, said the decision to join Mobile500 came after the WTTW board formed a special committee to consider the best options for using WTTW's broadcast spectrum. "We concluded that Mobile DTV held the most promise for extending our brand and services to new audiences, and we liked the open, entrepreneurial approach of Mobile500," he said in a statement.

LG Electronics, PBS and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, will also demonstrate the Mobile Emergency Alert System (M-EAS) that use mobile DTV broadcasts to alert mobile DTV devices.

Other vendors at the Mobile DTV Pavilion include Siano, which delivers comprehensive mobile broadcast DTV solutions and receiver chips; Crest Technology, which is offering mobile DTV-compliant hardware and software solutions; DTVinteractive, which will show head-end solutions for broadcasters.

Additional mobile DTV demonstrations will be available at the ATSC TechZone. Here, LG will demo the transmission of 3D broadcasts over mobile DTV; Canadian educators and engineering students from Ryerson University will showcase interactive Mobile DTV prototype technology that utilizes ATSC's A/153 Mobile DTV standard; and Germany-based Decontis is demonstrating a Simple Network Management Protocol enabled monitoring solution that analyzes and monitors all aspects of Mobile DTV and ATSC broadcasts.

The TechZone will also feature a number of technology improvements in DTV broadcasting and ATSC president Mark Richer noted in a statement that the organization would be extremely active at NAB with demos and sessions highlighting the future of broadcast technologies.

"More than 20 educational sessions and presentations involving ATSC standards are planned [during NAB] with the capabilities and future needs of TV broadcasters taking center stage at the annual meeting of broadcasters," he noted. "ATSC is also one of the leading organizations driving the global Future of Broadcast TV' (FoBTV) initiative and is pushing that project forward to chart the long-range future of television, enhancing the experience for broadcasters and viewers."

A FoBTV progress report session is planned for Tuesday morning, April 17, in Room S222 in the South Hall of the Las Vegas Convention Center.

Companies offering demos at the TechZone include Dolby Laboratories, which will be showing closed captioning solutions while Samsung Electronics and the Korean Broadcast System (KBS) will demo 3D TV broadcasts. KBS will also showcase some of the new features of ATSC 2.0.

In addition, The Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI) will show a Non-Real-Time (NRT) terrestrial high quality 3D-TV broadcasting system and Linear Acoustic is planning a demo on compliance with the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation (CALM) Act.
post #386 of 506

One question I heard often is "When is Mobile DTV going to take off?" I think one of the reasons this question comes up is that Mobile DTV has been one of the up and coming broadcast TV technologies since Samsung introduced A-VSB at the NAB Show in 2006, six years ago! At this year's NAB, I think we have an answer.

At the 2007 NAB Show, Harris and LG offered the MPH (Mobile Portable Handheld) technology they claimed was better and more efficient than A-VSB. Remember the bus tours from both groups showing the benefits of their technology? The competition led to improvements. Thanks to the efforts of the Open Mobile Video Coalition (OMVC) and its members working together with consumer electronics manufacturers in the ATSC, a standard for Mobile DTV (A/153) was released in October 2009. There were demonstrations using an early version of the proposed standard at the 2009 NAB Show.

While you have been hearing about U.S. Mobile DTV broadcasting for six years, the standard has been out for less than half that time. It has taken awhile, but I think this year's NAB Show provided evidence Mobile DTV is finally set to take off. The reason is that the OMVC, together with the Mobile500 Alliance and Mobile Content Venture (MCV) business groups, have succeeded in getting enough stations to commit to broadcasting mobile DTV. At least for the Mobile Content Venture, a significant number of Mobile DTV stations in many markets are on the air now, although with many of them encrypting their signals, none of the existing receivers can view them. Lack of a variety of receiver choices has also been a problem for Mobile DTV.

That should change early this Fall when the smartphones from LG and Samsung with Mobile DTV that were displayed at MCV's Dyle TV booth in the Mobile DTV Pavilion at the NAB Show become available. Another option for Dyle TV and unencrypted Mobile DTV that should be available this Fall is the Android-based receiver from RCA (DST) with both mobile and conventional ATSC reception, along with web-browsing and some basic Android applications. The design includes an innovative flat antenna that's part of the folding case. The unencrypted and Dyle encrypted broadcasts will also be able to be viewed on iPads and iPhones using a small Belkin dongle that should be available within the next six months. A working prototype was on display at the Dyle booth. The Mobile500 Alliance also showed a dongle for iPads and iPhones from ElGato. Other companies are planning devices for encrypted and unencrypted Mobile DTV reception on a variety of devices.

At the 2013 NAB Show I think we'll look back and say 2012 was the year that Mobile DTV took off and became an established part of the U.S. broadcast TV infrastructure.

Mobile DTV capability is now available either as part of the standard offering or an option on most ATSC exciters. Transmitter companies have recognized it's important to support Mobile DTV. I'm pleased to see that most transmitter exciters work with other company's Mobile DTV multiplexers, so customers are free to pick the configuration that works best for them.
post #387 of 506

I was looking at the Power Acoustik DTV-MHU and I am just wondering if anybody here has tried on of these yet?
post #388 of 506
Just reading their description...

Since they describe M/H as "high-def" (it's very low-def) and describe reception up through the old UHF channel range and don't mention decryption and it's M/H only, avoidance is suggested.
post #389 of 506
I like the following bullet point:
SDTV 720P Video Signal
Love that SD 720p
Buyer beware for sure.
post #390 of 506
Mobile? Schmobile!
What I've wanted since television started was just a TV radio or radio that could tune TV channels. Screw the picture. Ever wanted to listen to the news, important program or favorite show while stuck in traffic, driving on the highway or just busy with something else?
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