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post #2671 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post
Hey Tulli,

Do you think all the problems are because of Windows 7 & Catalyst 9.12 shows the cloned displays as DVI DFP Monitors? I got the EDID output with Moninfo.exe after getting audio to work with that six step disconnect reconnect process I posted a while back http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post17649998. The program displayed 2 realtime devices. Here are the files:
I have two solo ones:
1. the Samsung only w/ ATI HDMI audio working
2. the Onkyo getting the audio and outputting to the Samsung HDMI 2 (Catalyst only shows the Onkyo PR-SC885p as an HDMI DTV)
3. I have two other files made while clone mode was actually allowing for HDMI audio.

I'm thinking that even though the Onkyo is listed as the first two displays in Device Manager, Windows is screwing up because the cloning requires both the DVI outputs on the 4870x2 to have an audio output (not just the bottom one).

I don't want to give up when I know a bunch of guys using the Moninfo.exe INF's have gotten it to work. But it seems like the clone mode is the source of intermittent operation, as evidenced from the disconnect/reconnect routine.
No. Took a look at the drivers you captured:

1. The Samsumg 8000 has a very simple video block, exactly the same as my Samsings LCD TV. Audio block is for only 2 channel LPCM.

2. The Onkyo 885p EDID shows a HUGE Video block, whereas the audio block is exactly the same as the onkyo 906 I've been posting all around. That huge video block must be not parsed well by the ATI driver and thus your handsahe issues.

So I replaced that awful video block with the one from your Samsung TV. I thus attach a modded EDID for the Onkyo 885p with video block from the Samsung and audio block from the Onkyo itself. Hopefully, by overriding the native 885p with this modded one your nightmare will be over!

 

Onkyo 885p_MOD.zip 1.1630859375k . file
post #2672 of 2819
@Arashjahn

After applying the override, shutdown the HTPC. Make the normal conenction HTPC-Onkyo 885p-Samsung and then boot the HTPC.

You will NOT see the bios screen as the EDID override will only take place at Windows startup. After that you should not have bad handshakes mostly. Try switching sources on the TV and Onkyo. Put the HTPC to sleep and wake it up, trun on/off Samsung & Onkyo in any order, etc This will give a general idea of how stable it really is.

With my 4670 I rarely get a bad handshake, whereas I have zero issues with my 5770, both with same EDID overrride. For those, hopefully, rare occasions of a bad handshake just shutdown/boot the HTPC.
post #2673 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

@Arashjahn

After applying the override, shutdown the HTPC. Make the normal conenction HTPC-Onkyo 885p-Samsung and then boot the HTPC.

You will NOT see the bios screen as the EDID override will only take place at Windows startup. After that you should not have bad handshakes mostly. Try switching sources on the TV and Onkyo. Put the HTPC to sleep and wake it up, trun on/off Samsung & Onkyo in any order, etc This will give a general idea of how stable it really is.

With my 4670 I rarely get a bad handshake, whereas I have zero issues with my 5770, both with same EDID overrride. For those, hopefully, rare occasions of a bad handshake just shutdown/boot the HTPC.

Thanks a bunch Tulli. Ever since the 3rd grade, I always got stuck with homework for the holiday break. Now, at age 28, I welcome this assignment.

Keep you posted,
///A
post #2674 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post
Thanks a bunch Tulli. Ever since the 3rd grade, I always got stuck with homework for the holiday break. Now, at age 28, I welcome this assignment.

Keep you posted,
///A
Well, you know, just rechecked the Samsung 8000 EDID and saw that I had forgotten to replace the Onkyo video timings with the Samsung's! So I made I new driver that has ALL the Samsungs EDID Video descriptors + Audio and Speakers Descriptors from the Onkyo. Hope it works, really.

I attach the new driver.

 

Onkyo 885p_MOD1.zip 1.177734375k . file
post #2675 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Well, you know, just rechecked the Samsung 8000 EDID and saw that I had forgotten to replace the Onkyo video timings with the Samsung's! So I made I new driver that has ALL the Samsungs EDID Video descriptors + Audio and Speakers Descriptors from the Onkyo. Hope it works, really.

I attach the new driver.

Just wanted to say good work Tulli.

It's nice to see an EDID'er doing good work

All the best.

Wo0zy
post #2676 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Wo0zy View Post

It's nice to see an EDID'er doing good work

"EDID'er" ... hehe, nice one, Wo0zy .
post #2677 of 2819
Sounds kind of derogatory if you ask me.
post #2678 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Well, you know, just rechecked the Samsung 8000 EDID and saw that I had forgotten to replace the Onkyo video timings with the Samsung's! So I made I new driver that has ALL the Samsungs EDID Video descriptors + Audio and Speakers Descriptors from the Onkyo. Hope it works, really.

I attach the new driver.

This file would not take on Windows 7. Can you please check it again?

Ok, so I boot up with only the Onkyo attached to the ATI, no signal. Swap the cables to be only the Samsung to the ATI: full picture 1920x1080p24 and Audio 2-channel. Swap to the Onkyo, and only 2-channel sound. Go to Device Manger, and no monitor is listed. Scan for hardware changes-->Finds Generic PnP Monitor: Hardware ID: ONK079C. Check sound preferences again, and now 7.1 is there. Ran Moninfo.exe and I have no Realtime entries. Just a [Registry*] for the ONK079C. So no real INF export can take place to analyze. I restart the computer, no BIOS post, after a few minutes, Samsung says "Mode not Supported."

Out of curiosity I tried an HDMI splitter at the ATI gray dongle...no luck, only the Samsung would read display. I must have tried a bunch of new combinations of connections, and the overall theme remained. If the Monitor reads PnP on device manager, and it is the Samsung on boot, I get two channel sound. The only way I can get the 7.1 is if I switch the connectors on the back of the ATI to plug straight into the Onkyo.

I really appreciate all your help. I can get this all to work, not down to a physical science (which involves all the cable swapping). I just want it to on a software/driver basis, so I can sit back and enjoy this blasted $2K PC.
post #2679 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

This file would not take on Windows 7. Can you please check it again?

... Go to Device Manger, and no monitor is listed. Scan for hardware changes-->Finds Generic PnP Monitor: Hardware ID: ONK079C. (

This means the current monitor driver for the Onkyo is the Generic PnP Monitor, meaning that the EDID Override is NOT active at all, maybe because of problems with the installation procedure.

So, Right click there on that Generic Pnp device, select update driver software, then Browwse my Computer for driver software, then Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer, then select "Have Disk", then "Browse", and finally navigate to the directory where the .inf file is located. MAKE SURE that it's the ONLY .inf in the directory. Now install the driver and finally reboot. Try again with the samsung connected to the Onkyo and the Onkyo to the graphic card. As before, there shoul be no BIOS screen.

Anyway, best way to install the override would be to temporarily plug a VGA/DVI monitor to the primary port of the graphic card, and the Onkyo to the second (with the Samsung connected to the Onkyo). This way you really can MAKE SURE that the override is applied, as you can reboot and see if it works. If it does just disconnect the VGA/DVI monitor, reboot and see if it still works.

If it stlll doesn't work you know you'll have to get a Gefen HDMI or DVI Detective PLUS and be done with it.

Sorry man, but this is all I can do. All is up to you now!
post #2680 of 2819
Can this play pc games on 5.1 with a AVR-254?

Thank you
post #2681 of 2819
bump
post #2682 of 2819
Any difference/fixes between the audio driver with the ATI 9.12 suite and the 2.39 driver from Realtek website?
post #2683 of 2819
For the 4000 series, the Realtek one can work with 32-bit WASAPI exclusive output from ReClock. The ATI one only works with 16-bit. Foobar2000 and JRiver MC's WASAPI output is the same for both though. I was getting some weird behavior with Win 7 32-bit and a 4670, but I think it was my system cause no one else seems to have it.
post #2684 of 2819
Is there a link to the Realtek 2.39 ATI HDMI drivers as the Realtek website links are broken.
post #2685 of 2819
post #2686 of 2819
Guys I've been having some issues with the Realtek driver after upgrading to Windows 7 x64.

I am attaching a screen shot:



As you can see, I have no speaker configuration options, but it also does not list it as correctly connected in the optical output.

I am running 7 x64 with the optical output connected to my Gigabyte mobo (I can get the exact model number if needed).

I've tried 2.37; 2.39; 2.40; and even 2.00 drivers with no success.

Any suggestions?
post #2687 of 2819
For these cards, you need the ATI HDMI device driver, not the regular Realtek driver. If you're using a mobo with a Realtek analog/SPDIF chip, you probably need to install both.
post #2688 of 2819
Sure, and I actually grabbed the 2.39 ATI HDMI Audio Device driver from Realtek's website, along with the recommended 64 bit drivers from Gigabyte's website (for Gigabyte mobo EP45-DS3L). I continue to have these issues though. Windows 7 also automatically updates the driver to the ATI HDMI Audio Device when I boot without the Realtek drivers installed. I tried disabling the policy so that windows didn't auto-install the driver, but I encountered errors during manual installation when I did this.

I had everything working fine in Vista 64, and I've tried doing exactly what I did before, but I am still unable to configure my speakers for more than two channels, and as seen in the screen shots below.






Also, there is no speaker configuration tab as there normally is in the HD Audio Manager (Realtek).





As opposed to...



Sadly, that is actually my headphones connected to the front audio jack. It still gives me speaker configuration options (up to 7.1!!) for some reason.

Furthermore, although I am connected in the rear optical audio output, Windows indicates that I'm using the rear panel combo jack. See screenshot below:



I'm at a loss. My optical output connection is from my mother board, but I've always been able to configure the speakers from the HD Audio Manager, which is part of the Realtek drivers I believe. Now, the HD Audio Manager doesn't show a speaker configuration tab, and does not specifically highlight the optical output I am using, as it did when I was using Vista.

Any help would be most appreciated. I've tried all sorts of versions of the driver, uninstall, reinstall, blah blah blah. I am just hoping one of you can help me with this.
post #2689 of 2819
Here is also a link to a discussion about fixing jack assignments in Realtek and Windows 7, but it's way over my head:

http://www. sevenforums .com/sound-audio/2197-realtek-hd-changing-jack-output-reassignments-fix.html

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post #2690 of 2819
Everything you've shown shows the SPDIF device being used (which can't do multichannel, thus everything seems correct). Your HDMI device says "not plugged in".
post #2691 of 2819
hello to all
looks like i have a simelar problem as the rest.
sapphire4670 hooked to onkyo tx-sr707 to lg47lh40
pc reconizes onkyo as video ddevice, when i try to switch to lg(using edid override0
i loose all sound processing(revers to 2 channel). looking at onkyo's edid its showing
most of video formats and most sonund fields. how would i incorporate the 2 into 1 driver (inf)??
can it be done by a layman (me) or should i be happy with what i have working?
any advice would be helpful,thanks
post #2692 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Everything you've shown shows the SPDIF device being used (which can't do multichannel, thus everything seems correct). Your HDMI device says "not plugged in".

Hi Andy,

I definitely appreciate you trying to help me, but this is not exactly correct. As I mentioned, I'm not using the output Realtek is reporting. I'm using optical (Toslink) which can handle multichannel signals. I also had multichannel configuration options available for this output when using Vista 64, and it has only been since I upgraded to Windows 7 that this problem occurred.

Again, I am using fiber optic / toslink / optical connection which can support multichannel signals, and therefore something is definitely wrong here. It would also seem that allowing stereo headphones to be configured for 7.1 ch audio is wrong as well, so I don't put a lot of faith in what Realtek determines to be the capabilities of my devices.

I do realize the HDMI device is not plugged in, and I guess I come here because I've gotten so much help previously about the software associated with our cards. I'm just hoping someone has experienced a similar issue and come up with a fix. As discussed in the link I posted, Realtek lists my connection as the rear panel combo jack (analog), when in fact it is the rear toslink / optical connection.
post #2693 of 2819
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Again, I am using fiber optic / toslink / optical connection which can support multichannel signals, and therefore something is definitely wrong here.

Nothing is wrong. SPDIF (the fiber optic / toslink / optical connection) can support multichannel compressed but can only support two channel uncompressed (decoded audio). If you were sending DTS or Dolby Digital 5.1, you could get multichannel but not if you are sending the decoded audio.

You would need to use the HDMI connection to support uncompressed multichannel.
post #2694 of 2819
Alright, sure I can understand that, and sorry I got confused about the terminology. But shouldn't the speaker configuration options still be available as they once were? I was previously able to configure the SPDIF connection like I'm able to for my headset (as shown in the shots above), and there was a "test" button you could use (which is still available for my other outputs). I guess I'm just trying to get back to the same functionality I previously had.

And then again, why would I be given multichannel speaker configuration options for my stereo headset?

Thanks for all your help guys! I really do appreciate it.
post #2695 of 2819
I should have said can't do multichannel LPCM, my bad.

Anyway, this:


is not showing the SPDIF (Toslink) connection, it's showing the analog device. (In your case, "Speakers" is the analog device.) I think you do have a problem but it's not what you think. Your Realtek control panel is not detecting your analog device.
post #2696 of 2819
Also, this:


is showing the SPDIF (Realtek Digital Ouput) properties. You wanna check the properties of "Speakers" here:



and see what that gives you.
post #2697 of 2819
It's strange though, because when I plug in my headphones, that picture pertains to them. They show up as "speakers" and the green, front panel jack becomes highlighted (again, as seen in the picture you quoted Andy). When I unplug them, this is what I see:



This is with only SPIDF connected.

So, I can configure my headphones (analog) output to 7.1, but I can't configure SPIDF at all (test, speaker configuration, or otherwise).

But again, Realtek and Windows are saying I'm connected through the rear orange combo jack, rather than the SPIDF out.
post #2698 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bdwright77 View Post

And then again, why would I be given multichannel speaker configuration options for my stereo headset?

Because they are connected to the "Speakers" (analog) device. The channel configuration is separate for each device. If you click on the "Speakers" device in the Windows audio devices, you can configure it for 7.1 (see next paragraph if you can't) while your digital output will remain at 2 channel.

If you are using the inbox Windows Drivers, you may not have 7.1 as an option. If you load the Realtek drivers for the analog device, you will have 7.1but only on the analog and HDMI devices. You will never get the option for more than 2 channel with the SPDIF device which is why there is not a speaker configuration option in the "Digital Out" tab of the Realtek Manager.
post #2699 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bdwright77 View Post

But again, Realtek and Windows are saying I'm connected through the rear orange combo jack, rather than the SPIDF out.

Because you are. SPDIF can be an RCA jack (the orange one) or a toslink jack (optical). The toslink connector is simply the orange coax + power. Imagine connecting a splitter to your green speaker jack and sending it to two headphones. To the Windows drivers, there is still only one green speaker jack.
post #2700 of 2819
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

Because they are connected to the "Speakers" (analog) device. The channel configuration is separate for each device. If you click on the "Speakers" device in the Windows audio devices, you can configure it for 7.1 (see next paragraph if you can't) while your digital output will remain at 2 channel.

If you are using the inbox Windows Drivers, you may not have 7.1 as an option. If you load the Realtek drivers for the analog device, you will have 7.1but only on the analog and HDMI devices. You will never get the option for more than 2 channel with the SPDIF device which is why there is not a speaker configuration option in the "Digital Out" tab of the Realtek Manager.

Okay. Well, I guess that means I'm mistaken. I was certain I had previously had the option to configure my optical connection, but you're saying that's not the case?

I'll just leave it be then. I appreciate your help guys. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I've still got some learning to do, evidently

...and a belated Happy New Year to you all!
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