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post #2731 of 2817
1/31/10 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

This means the current monitor driver for the Onkyo is the Generic PnP Monitor, meaning that the EDID Override is NOT active at all, maybe because of problems with the installation procedure.

So, Right click there on that Generic Pnp device, select update driver software, then Browwse my Computer for driver software, then Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer, then select "Have Disk", then "Browse", and finally navigate to the directory where the .inf file is located. MAKE SURE that it's the ONLY .inf in the directory. Now install the driver and finally reboot. Try again with the samsung connected to the Onkyo and the Onkyo to the graphic card. As before, there shoul be no BIOS screen.

Anyway, best way to install the override would be to temporarily plug a VGA/DVI monitor to the primary port of the graphic card, and the Onkyo to the second (with the Samsung connected to the Onkyo). This way you really can MAKE SURE that the override is applied, as you can reboot and see if it works. If it does just disconnect the VGA/DVI monitor, reboot and see if it still works.

If it stlll doesn't work you know you'll have to get a Gefen HDMI or DVI Detective PLUS and be done with it.

Sorry man, but this is all I can do. All is up to you now!

Tulli,

Thanks for all your efforts in the past. I had to move outta that last place...not a healthy environment.

Anyways, upon reading some of your past threads I decided to go with the HDAV slim. So the new chain is:

HTPC (4870x2) --> HDAV Slim --> Onkyo PR SC885p --> Sceptre X246W-1080p 24in HDMI 2ms LCD.

Initial plug in was alright, but no drivers were installed. Went online to get Asus' Win 7 64bit, and installed them. No picture on reboot. Had to go back to ATI to Onkyo connection pattern.

Went to Moninfo.exe and had no REALTIME displays.
Uninstalled monitor and rescanned for new hardware. Generic PnP came up. Ran Moninfo.exe again, and no realtime.

So, I went back to your NX906 EDID override file. Reset with ATI to Onkyo, picture still there, NX906 read as monitor. Used the HDAV Jumper cable and got picture. Blu-ray played on TMT 3.0.13.139, no HDMI sound just 5.1 PCM. Ten minutes into the movie lost all communication (I'm guessing EDID handshake error with stubborn Onkyo/ATI).

I have Catalyst 10.1 installed. Do you have any ideas for a possible solution route?

Thanks,
///Arash
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post #2732 of 2817
1/31/10 at 6:50pm
Ouch!, the Slim won't help you a bit with the handshakes, as the problem is between the ATI & the Onkyo. So you've just put the Slim between them, which will just passthrough the EDIDs.

Best solution for your setup is the Gefen HDMI Detective Plus. It will cost you more or less the same as the Slim, which I hope you can return.
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post #2733 of 2817
1/31/10 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Ouch!, the Slim won't help you a bit with the handshakes, as the problem is between the ATI & the Onkyo. So you've just put the Slim between them, which will just passthrough the EDIDs.

Best solution for your setup is the Gefen HDMI Detective Plus. It will cost you more or less the same as the Slim, which I hope you can return.

Tulli,

I got the Xonar HDAV to get support for the high end audio bitstream, as the 4870x2 does not do all that the 5800's can. Do I still need the Gefen?

Thanks,
///A
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post #2734 of 2817
1/31/10 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

Tulli,

I got the Xonar HDAV to get support for the high end audio bitstream, as the 4870x2 does not do all that the 5800's can. Do I still need the Gefen?

Thanks,
///A

Yes, you still need the Gefen.
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post #2735 of 2817
1/31/10 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Yes, you still need the Gefen.

Tulli,

Here is something that I'm concerned about if I get the Gefen:

Right now, if I boot to Win 7 and get picture/audio PCM 192K 5.1 with the ATI to the Onkyo, then go to the back of the HTPC and disconnect and plug the HDAV Slim into the chain, I can get picture and audio, as long as I reset the Onkyo from "Auto" to "1080p" output resolution.

However, after ten minutes of running a Bluray movie, it hangs and says that I've committed some sort of analog violation (HDCP violation). It reads:

"Cyberlink PowerDVD cannot play back the protected content - (Error Code = 0122)...
2) Do not use dual-monitors to play back this movie (Clone Mode)"

So, all the work we did last month to output into that Samsung and the Onkyo simultaneously would have been nulled by this HDCP look out mode.

So, what I want to know is if the Gefen is in the chain, will an HDCP pinging from Cyberlink PowerDVD 9 or TMT 3 cause a stall?

///Arash
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post #2736 of 2817
1/31/10 at 9:14pm
I'm using Xonar 1.3 with 5750 to get around my EDID issue. Works so far but I'm not cloning.

I thought PDVD had an update that allowed cloning of BD. It was for PDVD8
http://www.cyberlink.com/downloads/s...hes_en_US.html Update 2009-07-14 I'd think it would be in PDVD9?
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post #2737 of 2817
1/31/10 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by wakeup360 View Post

I'm having the same green screen problem with my ASUS 4670. With Catalyst 8.11 & now 8.12 any dxva video that I play, I get audio, but only a green screen. When I uninstall and go back to 8.10 all is well again. I updated the video card BIOS to the latest on the ASUS website, but still have the green screen. I tried all of the exdeus registry tweaks and that didn't work either. I looked at DXVA Checker and all looks ok. Any ideas?

I'm having a similar problem... was this ever resolved?
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post #2738 of 2817
2/1/10 at 3:18am
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

Tulli,

Here is something that I'm concerned about if I get the Gefen:

Right now, if I boot to Win 7 and get picture/audio PCM 192K 5.1 with the ATI to the Onkyo, then go to the back of the HTPC and disconnect and plug the HDAV Slim into the chain, I can get picture and audio, as long as I reset the Onkyo from "Auto" to "1080p" output resolution.

However, after ten minutes of running a Bluray movie, it hangs and says that I've committed some sort of analog violation (HDCP violation). It reads:

"Cyberlink PowerDVD cannot play back the protected content - (Error Code = 0122)...
2) Do not use dual-monitors to play back this movie (Clone Mode)"

So, all the work we did last month to output into that Samsung and the Onkyo simultaneously would have been nulled by this HDCP look out mode.

So, what I want to know is if the Gefen is in the chain, will an HDCP pinging from Cyberlink PowerDVD 9 or TMT 3 cause a stall?

///Arash

No, the Gefen HDMI Plus Detective is HDCP compliant. No cloning problem, you'll have a device "permanently-on", so no handshaking issues when switching, powering on/off, etc. Again, an EDID override should have worked, but the Gefen is a safe solution.
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post #2739 of 2817
2/1/10 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

No, the Gefen HDMI Plus Detective is HDCP compliant. No cloning problem, you'll have a device "permanently-on", so no handshaking issues when switching, powering on/off, etc. Again, an EDID override should have worked, but the Gefen is a safe solution.

Tulli,

I know the problems that I have are probably all directed at ATI. They seem to miss the EDID concept, and trust Windows to figure it out...no matter how many release notes they put out claiming it to be fixed on the 4870.

My question is directed at making what should work, do just that: EDID Override. I tried to gain full control via running Regedit on Windows 7 x64 in Administrator mode on the key by right clicking - permissions - full control bu still does not work. It says " cannot delete : error while deleting key."

What is the best way to delete all the keys and make the system boot as if it was the first OS install?

///Arash
P.S. I feel like this link is speaking to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_bea...orale_improves
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post #2740 of 2817
2/1/10 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

Tulli,

I know the problems that I have are probably all directed at ATI. They seem to miss the EDID concept, and trust Windows to figure it out...no matter how many release notes they put out claiming it to be fixed on the 4870.

My question is directed at making what should work, do just that: EDID Override. I tried to gain full control via running Regedit on Windows 7 x64 in Administrator mode on the key by right clicking - permissions - full control bu still does not work. It says " cannot delete : error while deleting key."

What is the best way to delete all the keys and make the system boot as if it was the first OS install?

///Arash
P.S. I feel like this link is speaking to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_bea...orale_improves

Follow vladd´s directions from this post (from "..., open a command prompt ...").
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post #2741 of 2817
2/1/10 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Follow vladd´s directions from this post (from "..., open a command prompt ...").

Cool, so after that do I have to run Moninfo.exe and get a fresh realtime EDID from just the Onkyo hooked up to the ATI? Then, force it and plug the HDAV into the chain?

Or, should I use your http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post17743058 TX-906 Mod?

Thanks,
///A
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post #2742 of 2817
2/1/10 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

Cool, so after that do I have to run Moninfo.exe and get a fresh realtime EDID from just the Onkyo hooked up to the ATI? Then, force it and plug the HDAV into the chain?

Or, should I use your http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post17743058 TX-906 Mod?

Thanks,
///A

hmm .. you should try with the specific mod I made for your display device + Onkyo pre-pro.

In any case, after clean up, you can go ahead and try any override that you like, given you uninstall/clean before any new install.
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post #2743 of 2817
2/2/10 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

hmm .. you should try with the specific mod I made for your display device + Onkyo pre-pro.

In any case, after clean up, you can go ahead and try any override that you like, given you uninstall/clean before any new install.

Tulli,

Got the Gefen and I did a bunch of permutations of conections, and tried programming the EDID each time on the Gefen:

ATI 4870x2 --> HDAV Slim --> Gefen --> Onkyo --> Sceptre (did not work)
ATI 4870x2 (using ATI HDMI gray adapter) --> Gefen --> HDAV Slim --> Onkyo --> Sceptre (did not work)

ATI 4870x2 --> HDAV Slim --> Onkyo --> Gefen --> Sceptre (worked)

So, my thought is to connect the Sceptre directly to the ATI and extract it's EDID. Then, extract the Onkyo EDID. Would you be able to combine the monitor's signature with the Onkyo's audio abilities in a custom EDID? If so, it would render the Gefen useless, assuming Windows 7 x64 doesn't screw up.

Thanks,
///Arash
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post #2744 of 2817
2/2/10 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

Tulli,

Got the Gefen and I did a bunch of permutations of conections, and tried programming the EDID each time on the Gefen:

ATI 4870x2 --> HDAV Slim --> Gefen --> Onkyo --> Sceptre (did not work)
ATI 4870x2 (using ATI HDMI gray adapter) --> Gefen --> HDAV Slim --> Onkyo --> Sceptre (did not work)

ATI 4870x2 --> HDAV Slim --> Onkyo --> Gefen --> Sceptre (worked)

So, my thought is to connect the Sceptre directly to the ATI and extract it's EDID. Then, extract the Onkyo EDID. Would you be able to combine the monitor's signature with the Onkyo's audio abilities in a custom EDID? If so, it would render the Gefen useless, assuming Windows 7 x64 doesn't screw up.

Thanks,
///Arash

That EDID combination that you mention is exactly what I did for your custom override before.Here's the post.
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post #2745 of 2817
2/2/10 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

That EDID combination that you mention is exactly what I did for your custom override before.Here's the post.

I hear ya. I need to extract the Sceptre one, as it seems it was the one losing the connection with the PC through the Onkyo and the HDAV.

Let me extract it later tonight.

Thanks,
///A
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post #2746 of 2817
2/3/10 at 7:45pm
I read through the thread, but most of the questions deal with receivers, so...

I have a simple setup:
Windows 7 PC w/ onboard VIA VT1828S analog to 2-channel HDTV

What would be the benefits/drawbacks of switching to my 4850X2s HDMI audio? Is the quality better on the cards Realtek than the VIA?

Hope that's not too many questions.

*edit* I'm assuming the HDMI audio passes to the HDTVs DAC. So which DAC would be of higher quality, a LG 32LF11's or the onboard VIA VT1828S?
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post #2747 of 2817
2/3/10 at 8:13pm
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*edit* I'm assuming the HDMI audio passes to the HDTVs DAC. So which DAC would be of higher quality, a LG 32LF11's or the onboard VIA VT1828S?

I doubt that it will really make a difference in the quality of the sound. The weakest chain in that link will definitely be the TV speakers.
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post #2748 of 2817
2/3/10 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

I doubt that it will really make a difference in the quality of the sound. The weakest chain in that link will definitely be the TV speakers.

Real world, that's what I imagined. As a purely academic question, does anyone know the DACs well enough to say which would be better?
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post #2749 of 2817
2/3/10 at 11:55pm
That I can't answer sorry. I don't know enough about the DACs in that TV. If I had to venture a guess though, I would probably say that the TV is slightly better.
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post #2750 of 2817
2/4/10 at 8:11am
Go for the 57/800 series. It's not worth the hassle of being stuck with PCM and not bitstream. It cost me an HDAV + HDMI detective...however, you may not be looking for protected orignal sound quality.
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post #2751 of 2817
2/4/10 at 11:43am
He won't be able to bitstream anyway being connected directly to the TV. He would need an AVR in the chain.
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post #2752 of 2817
2/4/10 at 12:18pm
Do some TV's support 192K PCM?
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post #2753 of 2817
2/4/10 at 3:02pm
I don't see why a TV would support 192 kHz, but why the question? Audio-wise the 4000 series can do all of what the 5000 can (including 192 kHz multichannel LPCM) except for bitstreaming HD-disc codecs. I don't think Porksmuggler was looking into buying a new card.
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post #2754 of 2817
2/4/10 at 5:53pm
Thanks for all the replies, I switched it over. Worked without a hitch, other than requiring the TV to be set to the proper input before Win7 loads, otherwise the speakers show not plugged in. I guess the driver really wants that handshake at boot?

The speakers are just a pair of 10W four ways, and the TV has a DD decoder and supports SRS TruSurround XT.

I just used the HDMI audio drivers that came w/ 10.1. It defaulted to 48KHz/16 bit, but could be set up to 48KHz/24 bit. It doesn't show higher sample rates.

Any advantages to using the R2.39 from Realtek for my setup?
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post #2755 of 2817
2/4/10 at 9:40pm
In your setup the Realtek and the ATI drivers should work pretty much the same. There is more difference on the 5000 cards. You're not getting audio cut out when there's silence and when the sound comes up again, it takes a fraction of a second to activate, right?
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post #2756 of 2817
2/4/10 at 11:41pm
No, I haven't noticed any lag.
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post #2757 of 2817
2/4/10 at 11:48pm
It's not really lag, it just cuts out the start of the audio (or short sounds completely). But it only happens with the 5000 series. It used to happen with the 4000 but ATI fixed it. I was asking cause I'm not sure which version they're in right now, and something may have changed, but I guess not. You should be OK with either.
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post #2758 of 2817
2/7/10 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

That EDID combination that you mention is exactly what I did for your custom override before.Here's the post.

To Tulli and everyone,

So the setup without the EDID profile works with the DTS-HD and Dolby TruHD with the HDMI Detective. However, when playing a movie on several occasions (last night w/ Donnie Darko Director's Cut), almost 80 minutes into the movie playback stopped. It gave me HDCP violation message. I saw this post http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post17456470, however my driver versions of the 4870x2 are Catalyst 10.1. Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,
///Arash
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post #2759 of 2817
2/7/10 at 9:51am
How strange is this post?

http://www.arcsoft.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4213
terry40 @ Posted: 31 Dec 2009 at 6:27pm
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post #2760 of 2817
2/7/10 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Arashjahn View Post

To Tulli and everyone,

So the setup without the EDID profile works with the DTS-HD and Dolby TruHD with the HDMI Detective. However, when playing a movie on several occasions (last night w/ Donnie Darko Director's Cut), almost 80 minutes into the movie playback stopped. It gave me HDCP violation message. I saw this post http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post17456470, however my driver versions of the 4870x2 are Catalyst 10.1. Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,
///Arash

Do you have AnyDVDHD?
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