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post #31 of 160
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Insert approval emoticon here.

Thank you. Do you mind if I now put "CINERAMAX approved" in my sig.

Im testing outdoor speakers on Monday, so will report back. I'll have the A8s there,as well as others.
post #32 of 160
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Originally Posted by Vincehoffman View Post

Ok Curt,

I'm correcting you 'cuz your wrong! The drivers used in the Niles speakers, both mid-bass and tweeters are different, made of different materials with differing nominal sizes, and the Niles speakers use a proprietary integrated baffle and basket that they've patented. The enclosures are of significantly differing dimensions and exact shape as are the grill treatments. About the only real similarity is the mounting bracket's basic shape and that both are offered in black and white! I've no idea who Niles actually has manufacturing their proprietary outdoor speaker design, but the BSI speaker's you've directed people reading this thread to, are no more similar to the Niles speakers I specifically recommended after buying and enjoying them, than any number of other surface mount outdoor speakers. Plastic enclosures and the same colour palette does not make the BSI speakers you linked to Niles OEMs or even knock-offs. Finally- As to your shot about "Chinese made...", Are any outdoor speakers from any manufacturer, higher-end or not, made anywhere but China today?

Happy Trails!
Vince@Freewheelcycle.com

Well that may be the case now, but I do know specifically that some of the older Niles speakers were identical to the Audiotraks. I'd have to have one of each of the current models side by side and pulled apart to comment further. I hear the words 'proprietary' and 'patented' too many times to give any credit to anyone quoting them (not that I'm saying you're lying, I'm just saying in general ) to believe it carte blanche.

All I can tell you is that I've used probably 100s of Audiotrak speakers in commercial installations, both in the 8 ohm and 70 volt versions, and they work and sound fine.

As for the 'Chinese' speakers, I have no beef with them generally. However... companies like Dynaudio make their own drivers, I do not believe that Niles does. I don't know much about Niles overall, but if anyone wants to send me a set, I have a pair of BSI 800s here..
post #33 of 160
I'll be curious to hear what you think of the outdoor speakers.
post #34 of 160
This is the best outdoor setup i've heard:
http://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/prod...products&tp=ls
check out these in particular:
http://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/prod...mdetail&id=115
Sub setups:
http://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/prod...mdetail&id=109

I went to a clients house and we redid the inside setup. However, it got tied into this outdoor setup that was existing and I had never heard these or of this brand much. It was also very clean looking as the speakers actually look like lights.
post #35 of 160
CM --

Did you ever get a a chance to listen to some of the speakers?
post #36 of 160
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CM --

Did you ever get a a chance to listen to some of the speakers?

Yes. Had a 4 way shootout on Monday.I will report ASP, hopefully later today.
post #37 of 160
I look forward to your findings as I have a good friend in the market for some.
post #38 of 160
Not meant to be outdoors but if you protect the drivers I would think Nohrs would look quite cool in your garden (think giant snail, not Snell!).

The cabinets are definitely up for the abuse.
post #39 of 160
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Yes. Had a 4 way shootout on Monday.I will report ASP, hopefully later today.

Well......?
post #40 of 160
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Well......?

Ease up there Kemo Sabe.

My result will be up in a couple of hours. Consider it foreplay
post #41 of 160
Someone fell asleep at the keyboard...
post #42 of 160
I have heard the announcement of the winner is Near
post #43 of 160
So, CINERAMAX CERTIFIED is beginning to carry some weight around here ,eh?
post #44 of 160
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My result will be up in a couple of hours.

And.........?
post #45 of 160
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The speakers available to me were....

1. Bose 251
2. Near A8
3. Tannoy DI8
4. Speakercraft OE8
5. Klipsch AW650
6. JBL S36

My installer had them wired up to a switch and a 200w amp. We had them in a room acting as bookshelves to see if there were any real stinkers. Bearing in mind what these are and what they're for, all performed well. Purely on individual preference I decided to drop the Klipsch and the JBLs as they were weaker performers. The JBL being the worst offender due to its harshness. I fully expected the Bose to be the worst, it just wasn't.

It was now we took them outside to see what they could do. There are different ways to think of outside speakers and what is needed from them. Heres my list, in no particular order

1. Good sound. Audiophile isnt available and would be a total waste anyway.
2. Good power handling to over come ambient noise and party mayhem
3. Good off axis performance or dispersal....Often overlooked
4. Solid construction and weather proofing.....They'd be about as welcome as a turd in a punch bowl without that.

The 4 remaining speakers were wired, switched and amped as before but attached to 2 posts using cable ties. I wont waffle on here but it was clear that the Bose were lagging here in sound and they distorted far too early for my application. The Tannoys fell due to bass extension and power handling.

By this time i was listener fatigued and took a break. When I came back the installer had removed the corpses of the losers and move the Near and Speakercraft units together. Both units are very impressive and will extend to around 50hz, I was more than surprised. The Speakercraft had a very slight edge here. When the volume was cranked up to good levels neither unit had ant issue whatsoever. Pushing further the Speakercraft began to rattle. Suspecting it may be the temporary mount, I had them taken down, but it was the enclosure rattling. I must say at this point, I live in the country and the volumes we are talking here would not be suitable in an urban setting.

On looking at the construction both were fine but the A8s looked and felt like you could take a bat to them. They weigh about 20lb each. They have a rear terminal sealing boot that really does the job. The Armadillos were the winner for me, sublect to the final test. Others were good, especially the Speakercraft, but the A8 were just all round better.

Final testing was by way of garden hose straight into the grille from all angles whilst playing some thumping tuneage at max power. Not an issue. Job done.

I told my installer that these were the ones to go with. My installer handed me an envelope that had a note and a $100 bill.

The note said "Keep this if you dont pick the A8"

A big thanks to all who helped by way of suggestion, and thus saved me a load of work.

Hope this helps.
post #46 of 160
No Niles speakers in the comparison?
post #47 of 160
CM -- thanks -- I tend to find the Speakercraft speakers edgy and metallic in the highs. I will have to get a pair of the N.E.A.R. A8's and try them out. Are you going with a 70v system?
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post #49 of 160
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No Niles speakers in the comparison?

Unfortunately not.
post #50 of 160
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Are you going with a 70v system?

No, for a couple of reasons. I will be using too many for the normal power limitation. More importantly, I need a number of zones so will be doing it via the distribution system for most flexibility.
post #51 of 160
CM you need to revise that wiring scheme man, the a8 clamor for 5.1 surround sound, ok at least 5.0 or 4.0. You need to make a couple of those zones surround sound zones and hookup an sacd dvda changer to it, play some steely dan around the pool and people's jaws will drop.

You do so Or' I'll yank that certificate of compliance.

Regarding the rockoliths don't sweat it,CLAW ON THE BLACKBOARD AWARD.
post #52 of 160
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

I don't know if the NEARs are still as good as they were now that Bogen has purchased them but those were really pretty amazing speakers. Some of them are quite exotic. http://www.bogen.com/support/neartechnology/

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The Armadillos were the winner for me, sublect to the final test.

A big thanks to all who helped by way of suggestion, and thus saved me a load of work.

You're welcome, from the 'clueless' guy
post #53 of 160
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

CM you need to revise that wiring scheme man, the a8 clamor for 5.1 surround sound, ok at least 5.0 or 4.0. You need to make a couple of those zones surround sound zones and hookup an sacd dvda changer to it, play some steely dan around the pool and people's jaws will drop.

You do so Or' I'll yank that certificate of compliance.

Regarding the rockoliths don't sweat it,CLAW ON THE BLACKBOARD AWARD.

Easy big fella. I didn't want to get too far into this, as Im still planning and deciding but.....

There will be 2 multi channel zones and some straight stereo zones. There are still some other decisions to be made regarding distribution. We rigged up a cool 4.0 using a receiver and 4 A8s for a trial run to see if I liked it. In the BBQ area we were able to put the A8s in trees using straps. The sound stage was about 50ft across and sounded fantastic, the envelopment was huge. PLIIx on straight stereo sources was fantastic. For non critical listening it was fantastic with plenty of movement.
post #54 of 160
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You're welcome, from the 'clueless' guy

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Good call, thanks.
post #55 of 160
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Easy big fella. I didn't want to get too far into this, as Im still planning and deciding but.....

There will be 2 multi channel zones and some straight stereo zones. There are still some other decisions to be made regarding distribution. We rigged up a cool 4.0 using a receiver and 4 A8s for a trial run to see if I liked it. In the BBQ area we were able to put the A8s in trees using straps. The sound stage was about 50ft across and sounded fantastic, the envelopment was huge. PLIIx on straight stereo sources was fantastic. For non critical listening it was fantastic with plenty of movement.

Very good that is exactly what I was talking about, in 4.0 it sounds like a giant dome of music has landed.Congrats.
post #56 of 160
CM,

What's the retail price of those 8's these days per pair? Now that i've officially left the NHT 'culture', I realize that none of my other companies make outdoor speakers. Of course, we usually do in-ceilings when and where we can.
post #57 of 160
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

CM,

What's the retail price of those 8's these days per pair? Now that i've officially left the NHT 'culture', I realize that none of my other companies make outdoor speakers. Of course, we usually do in-ceilings when and where we can.

Full retail is $880/pair.
post #58 of 160
I remember thinking that was pretty pricey, but now, it's not that bad in reality. We've been actually doing a whole lot of $2000 inwall sub/sat systems on patios lately for some reason. People really want their back yard to rock.
post #59 of 160
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I remember thinking that was pretty pricey, but now, it's not that bad in reality. We've been actually doing a whole lot of $2000 inwall sub/sat systems on patios lately for some reason. People really want their back yard to rock.

They extend fairly low so I found a 4.0 setup to be a perfect compromise. The actual prices look like they let you offer a more attractive deal. I actually cant wait to have them installed. Im also a convert to getting some height on them, very immersing.
post #60 of 160
Thanks for the all the info. everyone, likely wouldn't have found the A8s without this thread. Just ordered a pair and will report back when they're up.
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