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post #1591 of 15633
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Originally Posted by TerryB View Post

It seems to take forever (4 seconds) to get a picture after channel change. Does anyone know of a fix for this frustrating characteristic?

TerryB


Have your box output a constant resolution. When there are no resolution chnages you don't have delays like that. This is true with any TV over HDMI. Although mine doesnt take 4 seconds, it takes around 2 seconds when changing between channels with different resolutions from my TiVos.
post #1592 of 15633
Took er back, Samsung HL67A750 just could'nt deal with DLP, viewing angles, brightness at night, then shut down would'nt restart had to unplug it to get it to work. That scared me. BB great to deal with no hassle return worth a little extra money to know that.
post #1593 of 15633
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Originally Posted by cato47 View Post

I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these two sets. I hear tell that you must get back a good distance from both of these HDTVs because they look real grainy from as little as 10 feet away. I'm going to CC tomorrow to see these two sets for myself. Can someone chime in on this? Is it possible the set may have needed tweeking? My best friend saw both sets at CC today and his opinion was, grainy and with artifacts.

I noticed the same thing and just assumed it was a crappy signal in CC, and since I sit 12 feet away I went ahead and bought the 67 incher - then just 24 hours later I returned the TV Grainy, cloudy, hazy, fuzzy... all words I would use to describe this particular model DLP even my Playstation 3 looked bad, so it had nothing to do with signal. My 4 year old 50" Sony LCD lamp based RPTV is a much better HDTV.

I had a few people over at the house and they all agreed when I hooked up the two TVs side-by-side. At first your just overwhelmed by the amazing color, extra detail and huge size of the Sammy, then you need to read something like DirecTVs guide data and you quickly realize something ain't right, something is a bit "off" here. The text and lines are all blurry (granted they are 480i upscaled) but when you look back at the Sony that same image is crisp and clean.

While the Sony LCD RPTV has the silk screen or screen door effect (looks like tiny cross hatches) its still SHARPER overall then this DLP technology. And before anyone jumps down my throat: YES the Sony has been calibrated via the Avia DVD and thus the factory sharpness has been turned all the way down. I tried countless settings on the Sammy but any small text or graphics (like that pulsing NBC Olypmic ring logo in the corner) was surround by dirty artifacts thus making those elements look like a heavily compressed JPEG or cell-phone camera image. I also noticed objects in the background (like seats in a stadium) lacked details when compared to my other HDTVs. To be really sure and elminate the DirecTV box as the cause I checked the fuzzy ring logo using an local OTA HD signal and it still looked sloppy on the "superior" 1080P DLP

I think the main problem with this TV is the pathetic build quality of its frame and screen. Lets fact it there is no way you can project 2,073,600 itty bitty pixels onto a screen that bends, flexes or moves so easily. Even if perfecly adjusted at the factory by time you get it unboxed the position has been compromised, there is simply no avoiding it. The TVs image is only focused and sharp in very center of the screen, as my eyes moved to the corners I could clearly see the red & blue light peaking out of white lines (noticable in EPSN's ticker for example) - I haven't seen convergence problems like these since my mid '90s RCA 52" CRT RPTV! In addition any brightly colored pixels appeared to bleed or leak into the surrounding darker areas, its as if they were drawn with a fat marker instead of a fine ball point pen. Note the posts by others here regarding light leaks in black bars, this is a common problem. Lastly, the viewing angle is terrible, this will be evident at your local retailer regards of settings or lighting. This TV has one sweet spot: stand up, sit on the floor or off to the side and the colors (and even more so the birghtness) shifts massively, thus its no good for group gaming (Wii Tennis, Rock Band, ect).

If you watch alot of movies then this LED based DLP's analog-looking, grainy "film-like" image is more true-to-life so you might love it (as most people in this thread do) but on digital HD pixel-based sources that same smooth, soft look is a step backwards to my eyes. Don't get me wrong, the Sammy has great color (deep, rich & vibrant) with bright whites and excellent blacks, but the quaility of the image varies all over the place due to the sub-par screen its being projected on. I noticed hot-spots in solid colored backgrounds that moved as you tiled your head from side to side. I saw similar issues in the display models in two stores as well, but honestly assumed they were related to either the signal being shared between so many different displays or the less then ideal viewing angles or the overall lighting situation.

Reading all the posts regarding fixing geometry issues by just pushing on the frame tells you all you need to know... a projector is only as good as its screen. My Sony's screen is rock solid, you can NOT move in any way (up, down, in or out)! Its a shame because at this price point the Sammy is impossible to beat. Guess I've just got wait till flat panel prices come down to the point were I can afford a new LCD based 60"+ model
post #1594 of 15633
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Originally Posted by JMII View Post

I noticed the same thing and just assumed it was a crappy signal in CC, and since I sit 12 feet away I went ahead and bought the 67 incher - then just 24 hours later I returned the TV Grainy, cloudy, hazy, fuzzy... all words I would use to describe this particular model DLP even my Playstation 3 looked bad, so it had nothing to do with signal. My 4 year old 50" Sony LCD lamp based RPTV is a much better HDTV.

I had a few people over at the house and they all agreed when I hooked up the two TVs side-by-side. At first your just overwhelmed by the amazing color, extra detail and huge size of the Sammy, then you need to read something like DirecTVs guide data and you quickly realize something ain't right, something is a bit "off" here. The text and lines are all blurry (granted they are 480i upscaled) but when you look back at the Sony that same image is crisp and clean.

While the Sony LCD RPTV has the silk screen or screen door effect (looks like tiny cross hatches) its still SHARPER overall then this DLP technology. And before anyone jumps down my throat: YES the Sony has been calibrated via the Avia DVD and thus the factory sharpness has been turned all the way down. I tried countless settings on the Sammy but any small text or graphics (like that pulsing NBC Olypmic ring logo in the corner) was surround by dirty artifacts thus making those elements look like a heavily compressed JPEG or cell-phone camera image. I also noticed objects in the background (like seats in a stadium) lacked details when compared to my other HDTVs. To be really sure and elminate the DirecTV box as the cause I checked the fuzzy ring logo using an local OTA HD signal and it still looked sloppy on the "superior" 1080P DLP

I think the main problem with this TV is the pathetic build quality of its frame and screen. Lets fact it there is no way you can project 2,073,600 itty bitty pixels onto a screen that bends, flexes or moves so easily. Even if perfecly adjusted at the factory by time you get it unboxed the position has been compromised, there is simply no avoiding it. The TVs image is only focused and sharp in very center of the screen, as my eyes moved to the corners I could clearly see the red & blue light peaking out of white lines (noticable in EPSN's ticker for example) - I haven't seen convergence problems like these since my mid '90s RCA 52" CRT RPTV! In addition any brightly colored pixels appeared to bleed or leak into the surrounding darker areas, its as if they were drawn with a fat marker instead of a fine ball point pen. Note the posts by others here regarding light leaks in black bars, this is a common problem. Lastly, the viewing angle is terrible, this will be evident at your local retailer regards of settings or lighting. This TV has one sweet spot: stand up, sit on the floor or off to the side and the colors (and even more so the birghtness) shifts massively, thus its no good for group gaming (Wii Tennis, Rock Band, ect).

If you watch alot of movies then this LED based DLP's analog-looking, grainy "film-like" image is more true-to-life so you might love it (as most people in this thread do) but on digital HD pixel-based sources that same smooth, soft look is a step backwards to my eyes. Don't get me wrong, the Sammy has great color (deep, rich & vibrant) with bright whites and excellent blacks, but the quaility of the image varies all over the place due to the sub-par screen its being projected on. I noticed hot-spots in solid colored backgrounds that moved as you tiled your head from side to side. I saw similar issues in the display models in two stores as well, but honestly assumed they were related to either the signal being shared between so many different displays or the less then ideal viewing angles or the overall lighting situation.

Reading all the posts regarding fixing geometry issues by just pushing on the frame tells you all you need to know... a projector is only as good as its screen. My Sony's screen is rock solid, you can NOT move in any way (up, down, in or out)! Its a shame because at this price point the Sammy is impossible to beat. Guess I've just got wait till flat panel prices come down to the point were I can afford a new LCD based 60"+ model


Alrighty then...
Thanks for playing!
post #1595 of 15633
You must have had a bad set. Mine isn't grainy or cloudy. The right side is slightly out of focus but the focus will be adjusted with my professional calibration like my older Samsung DLP set was. This is the sharpest DLP set I've owned. It shows alot of detail and text is crisp and clean.
Any artifacts around lettering is from the broadcast source, that has nothing to do with the TV. I use an Algolith Flea with my broadcast sources to minimize these effects. I can see them on any LCD, Plasma or RP set I've seen since 2001. You can even easily see them on SD sets. All you can do is minimize them.

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Originally Posted by JMII View Post

I noticed the same thing and just assumed it was a crappy signal in CC, and since I sit 12 feet away I went ahead and bought the 67 incher - then just 24 hours later I returned the TV Grainy, cloudy, hazy, fuzzy... all words I would use to describe this particular model DLP even my Playstation 3 looked bad, so it had nothing to do with signal. My 4 year old 50" Sony LCD lamp based RPTV is a much better HDTV.

I had a few people over at the house and they all agreed when I hooked up the two TVs side-by-side. At first your just overwhelmed by the amazing color, extra detail and huge size of the Sammy, then you need to read something like DirecTVs guide data and you quickly realize something ain't right, something is a bit "off" here. The text and lines are all blurry (granted they are 480i upscaled) but when you look back at the Sony that same image is crisp and clean.

While the Sony LCD RPTV has the silk screen or screen door effect (looks like tiny cross hatches) its still SHARPER overall then this DLP technology. And before anyone jumps down my throat: YES the Sony has been calibrated via the Avia DVD and thus the factory sharpness has been turned all the way down. I tried countless settings on the Sammy but any small text or graphics (like that pulsing NBC Olypmic ring logo in the corner) was surround by dirty artifacts thus making those elements look like a heavily compressed JPEG or cell-phone camera image. I also noticed objects in the background (like seats in a stadium) lacked details when compared to my other HDTVs. To be really sure and elminate the DirecTV box as the cause I checked the fuzzy ring logo using an local OTA HD signal and it still looked sloppy on the "superior" 1080P DLP

I think the main problem with this TV is the pathetic build quality of its frame and screen. Lets fact it there is no way you can project 2,073,600 itty bitty pixels onto a screen that bends, flexes or moves so easily. Even if perfecly adjusted at the factory by time you get it unboxed the position has been compromised, there is simply no avoiding it. The TVs image is only focused and sharp in very center of the screen, as my eyes moved to the corners I could clearly see the red & blue light peaking out of white lines (noticable in EPSN's ticker for example) - I haven't seen convergence problems like these since my mid '90s RCA 52" CRT RPTV! In addition any brightly colored pixels appeared to bleed or leak into the surrounding darker areas, its as if they were drawn with a fat marker instead of a fine ball point pen. Note the posts by others here regarding light leaks in black bars, this is a common problem. Lastly, the viewing angle is terrible, this will be evident at your local retailer regards of settings or lighting. This TV has one sweet spot: stand up, sit on the floor or off to the side and the colors (and even more so the birghtness) shifts massively, thus its no good for group gaming (Wii Tennis, Rock Band, ect).

If you watch alot of movies then this LED based DLP's analog-looking, grainy "film-like" image is more true-to-life so you might love it (as most people in this thread do) but on digital HD pixel-based sources that same smooth, soft look is a step backwards to my eyes. Don't get me wrong, the Sammy has great color (deep, rich & vibrant) with bright whites and excellent blacks, but the quaility of the image varies all over the place due to the sub-par screen its being projected on. I noticed hot-spots in solid colored backgrounds that moved as you tiled your head from side to side. I saw similar issues in the display models in two stores as well, but honestly assumed they were related to either the signal being shared between so many different displays or the less then ideal viewing angles or the overall lighting situation.

Reading all the posts regarding fixing geometry issues by just pushing on the frame tells you all you need to know... a projector is only as good as its screen. My Sony's screen is rock solid, you can NOT move in any way (up, down, in or out)! Its a shame because at this price point the Sammy is impossible to beat. Guess I've just got wait till flat panel prices come down to the point were I can afford a new LCD based 60"+ model
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Is anybody else missing the last several pages of this post?
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AVS lost data. There's an explanation at the top of the forum page.
post #1598 of 15633
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Originally Posted by rondox View Post

Took er back, Samsung HL67A750 just could'nt deal with DLP, viewing angles, brightness at night, then shut down would'nt restart had to unplug it to get it to work. That scared me. BB great to deal with no hassle return worth a little extra money to know that.

I returned my HL61A750. For me, in addition to the viewing angles and uneven brightness, the main problem was the geometry. The "hourglass" distortion, although minor, was something I was not willing to live with. Pushing on the corners of the screen didn't fix it and it can not be fixed with a calibration.

I went with a Sony KDL-52W4100. WOW! And I thought the Samsung put out a good picture. The Sony is truly astounding! I'm very happy.
post #1599 of 15633
enjoy your sparkles
post #1600 of 15633
Wow, my post disappeared in the data-loss AVSForums experienced. No big deal....

Just wanted to say I got my HL61A750 on Saturday ($1850 at Circuit City Los Angeles + No-Sales-Tax sale + $10% coupon = $1674 out the door.)

I love the set. I went from my old Sony KD-34XBR960, a wonderful set, but it was just too small. I love the Sammy! I calibrated using settings from this thread plus my own eyes using the HD-DVD test disc I burned from http://www.w6rz.net/.

Sure I can see the sparkles, but they are very minor ... there is a slight tilt and also the convergence is slightly off on the top left, but it's minor and I can't see it from the couch anyway. Hell, I'm coming from a CRT so I'm used to a lot worse! Every display technology has compromises, you have to pick one that matches your requirements.

I am extremely happy with the set, especially for the price. And everyone that has seen it is wowed.

I was sold on the price, power consumption, size, minimal rainbow effect and LED light engine. I don't want to deal with bulbs.... :-)

So another happy customer
post #1601 of 15633
What sparkles?
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Originally Posted by Nthstar View Post

enjoy your sparkles

I don't see any sparkles.
post #1603 of 15633
The sparkles that the new Sony 4100 LCD series has.
post #1604 of 15633
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Originally Posted by Captain Spaulding View Post

I don't see any sparkles.

You would be one of the few that doesnt see them.

There are very few problems with the 750 sets.You must have got a bad one.
With the 100's of sets sold there are only a hand full of people yacking.The rest are very happy.
post #1605 of 15633
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

You must have had a bad set. Mine isn't grainy or cloudy. The right side is slightly out of focus but the focus will be adjusted with my professional calibration like my older Samsung DLP set was. This is the sharpest DLP set I've owned. It shows alot of detail and text is crisp and clean.
Any artifacts around lettering is from the broadcast source, that has nothing to do with the TV. I use an Algolith Flea with my broadcast sources to minimize these effects. I can see them on any LCD, Plasma or RP set I've seen since 2001. You can even easily see them on SD sets. All you can do is minimize them.

I can agree with some of his points. Just a few days ago, I was watching the Olympics at a buddy's place that has a nice sony LCD. I thought it looked marginally better and i liked how viewing angles weren't an issue. Although, he put on a bluray and my tune was changed. Too video-ish. It just matters tastes... Personally, I am happy that I spent about 700 less than him and got 15 more inches. And I want my movies to look as good as possible. I DO agree about it being pathetic that the frame/screen can be bent so easily... they really need to take care of it. Overall though, he was WAY too harsh on the tv... and I dont notice it being THAT grainy or artifact-y or anything, and think they must have had a bad set.
post #1606 of 15633
I bought the Samsung HL67A510J1F from Costco on Saturday. As others has mentioned, it appears it is not the LED version. I can't really complain since I got the TV and stand from them for $1940 plus tax (you get an additional 3% for using a Costco American Express card plus an additional year's warranty for those interested).

I just wanted to say thanks for this awesome thread and the settings info.

Couple of quick questions: Even with the various setting given by members here, would you still recommend a professional calibration? I am not Joe Sixpack but I do not have super sharp eyes either. Is it worth the few hundred to have it done still?

Another thing that is completely plaguing me. I am trying to update the firmware. The firmware on the TV shows to be 100.1 with a date of 3-12-08 (sitting in a Costco warehouse long?) I am using a USB thumbnail drive. It is older but works fine. I have done this everyway possible but can't seem to get the firmware uploaded.

I have downloaded the file to my computer, copied it to the thumbnail drive. Unzipped it on the thumbnail and put the info into the file it created. I can see all the unzipped files right there on the thumbnail. I take it out of my computer, put it into the TV and it keeps telling me "No File available to upgrade. Please check it and retry."

Am I missing a step? I have done this every way possible at least a dozen times. Is it because I still have some old data on the thumbnail (but these are completely different files). Is it because I have the non-LED version and I am uploading the LED version? Is there a different firmware upgrade for the non-LED (if so, I can't seem to find it.)

Please help. Thanks and again, awesome thread.
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I think I just answered my own question. Looking at the firmware update that has been posted here must be just for the LED version, as it looks like it is missing the "J" that is in my model #. I checked their global download center and all that is listed for the model with the J in it is a download for the user manual. Can anyone confirm if that is correct?

Also, since I don't have the LED model, do the various settings given by the members here still work about the same or will they be different? The only setting I noticed that I was missing was the "LED control."

Thanks.
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Hello,

We are looking for a new tv to replace our 32" panasonic CRT. I dont have an HD source, I dont have blu-ray DVDs, etc. In fact, i refuse to pay for cable, as I refuse to pay money to watch commercials.

All the same, blu-ray DVDs are coming, and it seems that this TV is good at displaying std-def images too.

Im looking at this tv, the HL61A750 versus the LN46A650 - a 46" 10-bit, 1080p 120Hz LCD TV. My room is large, but the viewing area is directly in front and about 12 feet away. Im not worried about the angle issues.

My fear is the geometry issues... hourglass in 4:3 standard def, and the issues of straight lines not being straight due to a weak frame. It seems that some fix the bowed frame by pushing on it, others seem to be unable to fix it...

So, in the end my questions are:

-If I have the bowed frame issue, can it be fixed by pushing on the frame or trying to bend it back into shape?
-What is the probability of having this issue on one of these screens?
-Playing OTA TV and standard DVDs, what would perform better in terms of picture quality, a DLP like this or the LCD?
-at 10-12 feet, playing the OTA TV or standard DVD - will I have issues with such a large, 61" screen? Is a 46" LCD better for 'hiding' the inherent weaknesses in the image, especially at that sort of distance?
-Originally at CC, where we first saw the DLP TVs, we liked the 56" size. However due to maintenance and energy consumption, we want an LED light source. It seems that there is supposed to be a 56" LED 750-series version of the 61" TV, but I see no real information on it... I do NOT want a 56" bulb-based unit. Does anyone have any info on the potential availability of a 56" LED-based 750 series?

Thanks very much!!!

JMH
post #1609 of 15633
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Originally Posted by JHZR2 View Post

-at 10-12 feet, playing the OTA TV or standard DVD - will I have issues with such a large, 61" screen? Is a 46" LCD better for 'hiding' the inherent weaknesses in the image, especially at that sort of distance?

Sure, a smaller screen will hide flaws in the source. All I can tell you is this: I currently have a 46" (CRT RPTV) that I view from between 9-11 feet. And I can't WAIT to upgrade to something larger. I'm not looking at anything less than 65", and focusing on the 67-73" range. The 46" was perfect when I bought it 5 years ago, and still watched a fair amount of SD. But there's enough HD content out there now to not have to make that compromise.
post #1610 of 15633
I see the HD content coming in terms of movies, etc.

But just how good will OTA HD become? Sorry for not being up on things in this regard...

SOunds like the long life of the LED soure, coupled with size will offset my desire to go bigger down the line...

Now, about those geometry issues...

Thanks!

JMH
post #1611 of 15633
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Originally Posted by JMII View Post

I noticed the same thing and just assumed it was a crappy signal in CC, and since I sit 12 feet away I went ahead and bought the 67 incher - then just 24 hours later I returned the TV Grainy, cloudy, hazy, fuzzy... all words I would use to describe this particular model DLP even my Playstation 3 looked bad, so it had nothing to do with signal. My 4 year old 50" Sony LCD lamp based RPTV is a much better HDTV.

I had a few people over at the house and they all agreed when I hooked up the two TVs side-by-side. At first your just overwhelmed by the amazing color, extra detail and huge size of the Sammy, then you need to read something like DirecTVs guide data and you quickly realize something ain't right, something is a bit "off" here. The text and lines are all blurry (granted they are 480i upscaled) but when you look back at the Sony that same image is crisp and clean.

While the Sony LCD RPTV has the silk screen or screen door effect (looks like tiny cross hatches) its still SHARPER overall then this DLP technology. And before anyone jumps down my throat: YES the Sony has been calibrated via the Avia DVD and thus the factory sharpness has been turned all the way down. I tried countless settings on the Sammy but any small text or graphics (like that pulsing NBC Olypmic ring logo in the corner) was surround by dirty artifacts thus making those elements look like a heavily compressed JPEG or cell-phone camera image. I also noticed objects in the background (like seats in a stadium) lacked details when compared to my other HDTVs. To be really sure and elminate the DirecTV box as the cause I checked the fuzzy ring logo using an local OTA HD signal and it still looked sloppy on the "superior" 1080P DLP

I think the main problem with this TV is the pathetic build quality of its frame and screen. Lets fact it there is no way you can project 2,073,600 itty bitty pixels onto a screen that bends, flexes or moves so easily. Even if perfecly adjusted at the factory by time you get it unboxed the position has been compromised, there is simply no avoiding it. The TVs image is only focused and sharp in very center of the screen, as my eyes moved to the corners I could clearly see the red & blue light peaking out of white lines (noticable in EPSN's ticker for example) - I haven't seen convergence problems like these since my mid '90s RCA 52" CRT RPTV! In addition any brightly colored pixels appeared to bleed or leak into the surrounding darker areas, its as if they were drawn with a fat marker instead of a fine ball point pen. Note the posts by others here regarding light leaks in black bars, this is a common problem. Lastly, the viewing angle is terrible, this will be evident at your local retailer regards of settings or lighting. This TV has one sweet spot: stand up, sit on the floor or off to the side and the colors (and even more so the birghtness) shifts massively, thus its no good for group gaming (Wii Tennis, Rock Band, ect).

If you watch alot of movies then this LED based DLP's analog-looking, grainy "film-like" image is more true-to-life so you might love it (as most people in this thread do) but on digital HD pixel-based sources that same smooth, soft look is a step backwards to my eyes. Don't get me wrong, the Sammy has great color (deep, rich & vibrant) with bright whites and excellent blacks, but the quaility of the image varies all over the place due to the sub-par screen its being projected on. I noticed hot-spots in solid colored backgrounds that moved as you tiled your head from side to side. I saw similar issues in the display models in two stores as well, but honestly assumed they were related to either the signal being shared between so many different displays or the less then ideal viewing angles or the overall lighting situation.

Reading all the posts regarding fixing geometry issues by just pushing on the frame tells you all you need to know... a projector is only as good as its screen. My Sony's screen is rock solid, you can NOT move in any way (up, down, in or out)! Its a shame because at this price point the Sammy is impossible to beat. Guess I've just got wait till flat panel prices come down to the point were I can afford a new LCD based 60"+ model


Not to be the jerk who just loves DLP... I understand your points, and they are well taken.. But you have to see a few things here for what they really are.. Wobulation is the way that DLP cuts costs - and when they tried doing that they came up with an interesting benefit. It eliminates the screen door effect by slighty overlapping the pixels.. Is this a bad thing?? I think not, on the contrary.. It produces a smoothing effect that you will not even really notice from your normal seating position.. DLP's produce colors and images by dithering the image (fast on off switching of the mirrors). Yes, if you get up REALLY close to the screen you can see this, just as if you get REALLY close to any other display you can see screen door effects.. In the sizes that we are looking at here, 61 and 67 inches, neither one of these things will matter unless you are sitting with the TV on your lap.

I have noticed that my TV has a snowy appearance when you look at it from a few feet away, but a plasma tv will heat your face up as well when you are sitting a few feet away.. Uniformity on an LCD TV is hard to come up with - as well as no dead pixels..

My point ladies and gentlemen is that whatever technology you buy is going to have a draw back.. When you walk into that store, and you buy something that intrigues you.. You take it home and you feel good about your decision - that is all that matters.. For me - I love the idea that an image is being projected onto a screen.. for some reason it makes the TV more interesting.. Especially since it is being done with semiconductors that use less power than an antiquated bulb.. It produces a picture that results in my friends saying something without me asking them what they think.. For the flat panel fans out there - the same can be said for you.. Your fascinated by the technology that creates such a 3 dimensional image on a flat screen.. I am too to a point, but I believe that LCD has a ways to come. But keep reading, there is something that we all need to realize..

The whole truth of the matter is we are living in an age where TV's are AWESOME - LCD DLP or Plasma.. Just go to your local average every day theater and watch a movie for 19 bucks plus the price of a soda, tea, popcorn, or box of candy, and tell me that you don't enjoy watching TV at home more now.. I know I do.. And that is going from my 2300 dollar Hitachi STD Ultravision of 1999 to my 1800 - 2000 dollar 61 or 67 inch HDTV that has a picture that I believe rivals that of the theater..

Guess what, I still think that my Hitachi has an awesome picture - for SD broadcasts.. No HDTV can touch it

Regards,

Steve

PS I don't get to watch my friends TV's as much as I watch mine, and I am completely happy with it.. I probably would be completely happy with their TV's too if I bought them.. We as humans adapt and get used to things that seem strange or abnormal.. We live in a very diverse world.. People who can't accept change are the ones who never move forward..
post #1612 of 15633
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Originally Posted by JHZR2 View Post

-If I have the bowed frame issue, can it be fixed by pushing on the frame or trying to bend it back into shape?
-What is the probability of having this issue on one of these screens?
-Playing OTA TV and standard DVDs, what would perform better in terms of picture quality, a DLP like this or the LCD?
-at 10-12 feet, playing the OTA TV or standard DVD - will I have issues with such a large, 61" screen? Is a 46" LCD better for 'hiding' the inherent weaknesses in the image, especially at that sort of distance?
-Originally at CC, where we first saw the DLP TVs, we liked the 56" size. However due to maintenance and energy consumption, we want an LED light source. It seems that there is supposed to be a 56" LED 750-series version of the 61" TV, but I see no real information on it... I do NOT want a 56" bulb-based unit. Does anyone have any info on the potential availability of a 56" LED-based 750 series?

My experience with pushing/bending the screen was that it affected the horizontal geometry and did absolutely nothing for the vertical, hourglass distortion problem. Also, as soon as I stopped pushing, it pretty much went back to it's original shape. I asked an ISF calibrator about this. He said geometry and floppy screen problems seem to be the usual case with these sets. As far as the probability of having a geometry problem goes, I can't say with any certainty, but from what I've read and heard the problem seems fairly widespread. Some here have said the problem is less on the larger 67" models. I don't know.

I returned the Samsung and went with the Sony KDL-52W4100 LCD. It's 52" screen is smaller than what I wanted, but to my eyes, I prefer the Sony's picture. There are no geometry problems, color and clarity are great. I think the Sony does a much better job with standard definition programming. Also, the Sony is definitely more solidly built. The bendable screen of the Samsung DLP did little to instill confidence in my purchase. Both the Samsung DLP and the Sony have very well-defined, sharp pictures, but each also has its own "look". It's hard to describe the difference. You would just have to compare for yourself. Of course most of what I've written here is very subjective. I'm just giving my opinion.
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Whats the best way to safely and effectivly clean the screan?
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Whats the best way to safely and effectivly clean the screan?

My 67" came with a cleaning cloth. I have not used it yet ( TV is just 2 weeks old ). I think we can use that.
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I found the power demand depends primarily on the LED Control setting:
Auto 170 - 190 W. Max 170 W. High 140 W. Medium 119 W. Low 99 W. Min 84 W. The picture at Medium setting is bright enough, but it doesn't have the snap that this set can deliver. High begins to show the snap, but Auto delivers it in spades. These measurements were made with a "Kill A Watt" P4400 Tester.

Chuck
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My 67" came with a cleaning cloth. I have not used it yet ( TV is just 2 weeks old ). I think we can use that.

You are probably right, but the manual mentions using that cloth only to wipe down the annoying dust magnet piano black bezel. It is just flat scary to touch these fragile screens.
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I noticed the same thing and just assumed it was a crappy signal in CC, and since I sit 12 feet away I went ahead and bought the 67 incher - then just 24 hours later I returned the TV Grainy, cloudy, hazy, fuzzy... all words I would use to describe this particular model DLP even my Playstation 3 looked bad, so it had nothing to do with signal. My 4 year old 50" Sony LCD lamp based RPTV is a much better HDTV.

I had a few people over at the house and they all agreed when I hooked up the two TVs side-by-side. At first your just overwhelmed by the amazing color, extra detail and huge size of the Sammy, then you need to read something like DirecTVs guide data and you quickly realize something ain't right, something is a bit "off" here. The text and lines are all blurry (granted they are 480i upscaled) but when you look back at the Sony that same image is crisp and clean.

While the Sony LCD RPTV has the silk screen or screen door effect (looks like tiny cross hatches) its still SHARPER overall then this DLP technology. And before anyone jumps down my throat: YES the Sony has been calibrated via the Avia DVD and thus the factory sharpness has been turned all the way down. I tried countless settings on the Sammy but any small text or graphics (like that pulsing NBC Olypmic ring logo in the corner) was surround by dirty artifacts thus making those elements look like a heavily compressed JPEG or cell-phone camera image. I also noticed objects in the background (like seats in a stadium) lacked details when compared to my other HDTVs. To be really sure and elminate the DirecTV box as the cause I checked the fuzzy ring logo using an local OTA HD signal and it still looked sloppy on the "superior" 1080P DLP

I think the main problem with this TV is the pathetic build quality of its frame and screen. Lets fact it there is no way you can project 2,073,600 itty bitty pixels onto a screen that bends, flexes or moves so easily. Even if perfecly adjusted at the factory by time you get it unboxed the position has been compromised, there is simply no avoiding it. The TVs image is only focused and sharp in very center of the screen, as my eyes moved to the corners I could clearly see the red & blue light peaking out of white lines (noticable in EPSN's ticker for example) - I haven't seen convergence problems like these since my mid '90s RCA 52" CRT RPTV! In addition any brightly colored pixels appeared to bleed or leak into the surrounding darker areas, its as if they were drawn with a fat marker instead of a fine ball point pen. Note the posts by others here regarding light leaks in black bars, this is a common problem. Lastly, the viewing angle is terrible, this will be evident at your local retailer regards of settings or lighting. This TV has one sweet spot: stand up, sit on the floor or off to the side and the colors (and even more so the birghtness) shifts massively, thus its no good for group gaming (Wii Tennis, Rock Band, ect).

If you watch alot of movies then this LED based DLP's analog-looking, grainy "film-like" image is more true-to-life so you might love it (as most people in this thread do) but on digital HD pixel-based sources that same smooth, soft look is a step backwards to my eyes. Don't get me wrong, the Sammy has great color (deep, rich & vibrant) with bright whites and excellent blacks, but the quaility of the image varies all over the place due to the sub-par screen its being projected on. I noticed hot-spots in solid colored backgrounds that moved as you tiled your head from side to side. I saw similar issues in the display models in two stores as well, but honestly assumed they were related to either the signal being shared between so many different displays or the less then ideal viewing angles or the overall lighting situation.

Reading all the posts regarding fixing geometry issues by just pushing on the frame tells you all you need to know... a projector is only as good as its screen. My Sony's screen is rock solid, you can NOT move in any way (up, down, in or out)! Its a shame because at this price point the Sammy is impossible to beat. Guess I've just got wait till flat panel prices come down to the point were I can afford a new LCD based 60"+ model

Personally, I'm getting tired of these blanket statements that basically boil down to "If my set sucks, then every one of them sucks" If you think that other types of tech look great all the time, you are totally wrong. I've seen high-end plasmas and LCDs on display that look flat fugly, and I wouldn't watch them if my life depended on it. If DLP is not the right tech for you, then fine, we can all understand that, but to attack the technology, as well as the quality of the sets, when I have a perfect 67 incher sitting in my room right now, makes no sense. I realize how lucky I am to have gotten the set I have, and you obviously had a terrible experience. But please don't impune the sets and the technology as a whole, based soley on YOUR experience and YOUR opinions.
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Hello,

We are looking for a new tv to replace our 32" panasonic CRT. I dont have an HD source, I dont have blu-ray DVDs, etc. In fact, i refuse to pay for cable, as I refuse to pay money to watch commercials.

All the same, blu-ray DVDs are coming, and it seems that this TV is good at displaying std-def images too.

Im looking at this tv, the HL61A750 versus the LN46A650 - a 46" 10-bit, 1080p 120Hz LCD TV. My room is large, but the viewing area is directly in front and about 12 feet away. Im not worried about the angle issues.

My fear is the geometry issues... hourglass in 4:3 standard def, and the issues of straight lines not being straight due to a weak frame. It seems that some fix the bowed frame by pushing on it, others seem to be unable to fix it...

So, in the end my questions are:

-If I have the bowed frame issue, can it be fixed by pushing on the frame or trying to bend it back into shape?
-What is the probability of having this issue on one of these screens?
-Playing OTA TV and standard DVDs, what would perform better in terms of picture quality, a DLP like this or the LCD?
-at 10-12 feet, playing the OTA TV or standard DVD - will I have issues with such a large, 61" screen? Is a 46" LCD better for 'hiding' the inherent weaknesses in the image, especially at that sort of distance?
-Originally at CC, where we first saw the DLP TVs, we liked the 56" size. However due to maintenance and energy consumption, we want an LED light source. It seems that there is supposed to be a 56" LED 750-series version of the 61" TV, but I see no real information on it... I do NOT want a 56" bulb-based unit. Does anyone have any info on the potential availability of a 56" LED-based 750 series?

Thanks very much!!!

JMH

1. Some people have had luck fixing it to a certain extent this way, but get the set from a place that has a good return policy, because this method does not work for everyone.

2. Personally, I think the probability is low. This forum brings people together who have the problem, but there have been a ton of sets sold that have no issue.

3. For OTA stuff, I would probably have to say LCD in terms of pure sharpness and clarity, but the LED DLP is very close, and the larger screen for less money helps the cause. For standard DVDs, mine look excellent, but it all depends on what the quality is of the upconverter you are using.

4. Unless you have perfect vision, 10-12 feet is plenty. I am only 7.5 feet from my 67 incher, and things look great. Plus, with a bigger screen, you are more likely to see the benefits of 1080i and p resolutions.

5. Unless things have changed, I have heard no mention of a smaller LED DLP model than the 61 incher, and if they haven't put it out now, it probably isn't coming out. I guess there is always the possibility of next year's line having it though, if there is a line for next year.

Hope this helps!
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...4. Unless you have perfect vision, 10-12 feet is plenty. I am only 7.5 feet from my 67 incher, and things look great. Plus, with a bigger screen, you are more likely to see the benefits of 1080i and p resolutions...

Maybe I missing something...since your Sammy's 67" screen has a native resolution of 1080p, then what benefit are you able to see with 1080i resolution?
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Maybe I missing something...since your Sammy's 67" screen has a native resolution of 1080p, then what benefit are you able to see with 1080i resolution?

My mistake.......sorry. I was only talking about if one were watching something in 720p, and then were watching something else in 1080i or 1080p. The TV is not always able to upgrade everything to 1080p. I was also referring to the fact that I have heard that you have to sit a certain distance away and have a certain size screen to notice the benefits of 180 resolution. Sorry if I was unclear.
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