Originally Posted by cato47
I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these two sets. I hear tell that you must get back a good distance from both of these HDTVs because they look real grainy from as little as 10 feet away. I'm going to CC tomorrow to see these two sets for myself. Can someone chime in on this? Is it possible the set may have needed tweeking? My best friend saw both sets at CC today and his opinion was, grainy and with artifacts.
I noticed the same thing and just assumed it was a crappy signal in CC, and since I sit 12 feet away I went ahead and bought the 67 incher - then just 24 hours later I returned the TV
Grainy, cloudy, hazy, fuzzy... all words I would use to describe this particular model DLP
even my Playstation 3 looked bad, so it had nothing to do with signal. My 4 year old 50" Sony LCD lamp based RPTV is a much better HDTV.
I had a few people over at the house and they all agreed when I hooked up the two TVs side-by-side. At first your just overwhelmed by the amazing color, extra detail and huge size of the Sammy, then you need to read something like DirecTVs guide data and you quickly realize something ain't right, something is a bit "off" here. The text and lines are all blurry (granted they are 480i upscaled) but when you look back at the Sony that same image is crisp and clean.
While the Sony LCD RPTV has the silk screen or screen door effect (looks like tiny cross hatches) its still SHARPER overall then this DLP technology. And before anyone jumps down my throat: YES the Sony has been calibrated via the Avia DVD and thus the factory sharpness has been turned all the way down. I tried countless settings on the Sammy but any small text or graphics (like that pulsing NBC Olypmic ring logo in the corner) was surround by dirty artifacts thus making those elements look like a heavily compressed JPEG or cell-phone camera image. I also noticed objects in the background (like seats in a stadium) lacked details when compared to my other HDTVs. To be really sure and elminate the DirecTV box as the cause I checked the fuzzy ring logo using an local OTA HD signal and it still looked sloppy on the "superior" 1080P DLP
I think the main problem with this TV is the pathetic build quality of its frame and screen. Lets fact it there is no way you can project 2,073,600 itty bitty pixels onto a screen that bends, flexes or moves so easily. Even if perfecly adjusted at the factory by time you get it unboxed the position has been compromised, there is simply no avoiding it. The TVs image is only focused and sharp in very center of the screen, as my eyes moved to the corners I could clearly see the red & blue light peaking out of white lines (noticable in EPSN's ticker for example) - I haven't seen convergence problems like these since my mid '90s RCA 52" CRT RPTV! In addition any brightly colored pixels appeared to bleed or leak into the surrounding darker areas, its as if they were drawn with a fat marker instead of a fine ball point pen. Note the posts by others here regarding light leaks in black bars, this is a common problem. Lastly, the viewing angle is terrible, this will be evident at your local retailer regards of settings or lighting. This TV has one sweet spot: stand up, sit on the floor or off to the side and the colors (and even more so the birghtness) shifts massively, thus its no good for group gaming (Wii Tennis, Rock Band, ect).
If you watch alot of movies then this LED based DLP's analog-looking, grainy "film-like" image is more true-to-life so you might love it (as most people in this thread do) but on digital HD pixel-based sources that same smooth, soft look is a step backwards to my eyes. Don't get me wrong, the Sammy has great color (deep, rich & vibrant) with bright whites and excellent blacks, but the quaility of the image varies all over the place due to the sub-par screen its being projected on. I noticed hot-spots in solid colored backgrounds that moved as you tiled your head from side to side. I saw similar issues in the display models in two stores as well, but honestly assumed they were related to either the signal being shared between so many different displays or the less then ideal viewing angles or the overall lighting situation.
Reading all the posts regarding fixing geometry issues by just pushing on the frame tells you all you need to know... a projector is only as good as its screen. My Sony's screen is rock solid, you can NOT move in any way (up, down, in or out)! Its a shame because at this price point the Sammy is impossible to beat. Guess I've just got wait till flat panel prices come down to the point were I can afford a new LCD based 60"+ model