Originally Posted by Triple-X
ya know, thats what i figured. and just to clarify, it was screen side up, laying on its back.
but apparently the only issue in the case of a 750 would be the mirrors, as mentioned earlier. I have been reading around and haven't found anything yet to support that (mirrors moving due to laying it on its back in transit).
and in this case i just hope thats correct.
however I will know shortly as 3 hours from now i will get to test it and see.
Originally Posted by ccathers
Triple-X, were you able to get your set up and running to test it? If so, what did you think? Any issues? I'm getting mine on Friday and am kind of curious.
Ok.. well i was able to make it out to my house (house in progress that is) to test my 61a750.
First things first. I have to say I'm rather disappointed with how Samsung packages these big expensive TVs for shipment. I mean, as most of you have seen, the TV has a thin foam bag over it, then two Styrofoam corner feet (L&R) are put in a cardboard box bottom and the set w/ bag over it is set into the Styrofoam feet. There are 2 round 3ft cardboard poles(rear), and 2 3ft cardboard corner pieces(front), one for each corner presumably to prevent the box from being crushed from top to bottom, then two more upper Styrofoam corners(L&R) for the top corners of the tv, with a middle Styrofoam piece over the top center of the tv. at that point the box top goes over and down to the cardboard base where two plastic handle clips pop in to hold the box top and bottom together, and finally two nylon white straps around it in the event that the handle clips come off.
My point is this. for one.. in shipping it would be ridiculously easy for anything to puncture the front of the box, and penetrate the thin cardboard & thin foam bag immediately damaging the screen(yes there is nothing else in between!). for that reason alone, you would think Samsung would invest a little more into shipping to assure that these do not arrive at stores completely damaged and worthless. The actual corners are FAR better protected that the screen itself!
And secondly, due to the case design of this and other similar sets, its my opinion that the geometry issues are the direct result of the poor packaging.
I say this because when we unpacked mine, we ONLY removed the top box portion and left the TV on the two bottom Styrofoam feet(which were obviously still in the cardboard bottom) in case there were issues we could easily re-box it to return.
Well, instantly and to my complete surprise, I noticed how flimsy the TV's casing felt. By merely pushing lightly on either of the top corners it resulted in major "screen sway". Before i had noticed that, We had removed the box top. I powered it up which was fine. then I loaded my thumb drive and checked the current firmware, and immediately upgraded to 1005.3.
With the firmware upgrade successful I went on to load a jpeg image of a test grid(the one on the first page of this thread
Upon doing so I instantly saw the the same geometry issues previously shown by AdamWL in the 61a750 discussion thread
. It was then that I attempted to straighten the grid on the screen(based on what I had read here) by very lightly pushing or pulling back and forth on either side of the top left and right corners. Doing so resulted in the grid on the screen VERY visibly moving in and out of the correct positioning for the grid to properly align.
Thereafter I turned off the TV and back on to access the Service menu for some more test images and grids, etc. It was obviously still noticeable , but it didn't seem as drastic. However I will say that while using the jpeg test image, you can also see a slight red line in the upper right hand corner and a slight blue line in the upper left. But again, by very mildly pulling or pushing on either the left or right top front corners of the screen, these would disappear and reappear, moving in and out of what I would call "the sweet spot" or the correct position.
As a result, that is why i believe that asides from the flimsy design of the case of this and similar unit in this size range, I believe that the extremely poor packaging of these units greatly contributes to these geometry issues, with the TV's bouncing up and down, being carried and wrenched back and forth with a person on each end of the box, or being laid down and the picked back up with one person on one side of the box carrying more of the weight than the person on the other side causing somewhat of a twisting, etc. Its almost completely unavoidable to remove the TV from the package without causing at least some minor sway between the top left and right corners, which from what I now seen can dramatically effect the geometry issues. It seems like a strong quality reinforced frame inside the plastic casing could and would greatly reduce if not eliminate this from happening.
NOW> all that aside. From what I have thus far.. the Picture Quality is outstanding! so My home theater-guru cousin and I had come to the conclusion that this TV seems to be nothing more than a projector and a screen in a cheap casing with a shiny piano black frame, unlike the solid feel or the tube and crt Tv's of old. we had to cut it short last night, but tonight is testing part II, and I have brought my PS3 with me, and some games and Blu Rays as well. so picture Quality testing will continue. Also we plan on removing the TV completely from the box bottom and placing it on something more solid and firm to test and see just how bad this sway is from corner to corner, and if it is possible to position so as eliminate the geometry issues. I would put it on the stand I got for it, but I cant build that until my new carpet goes in.
other than that, we had not noticed ANY sagging or bowing, or rainbows, black flecks, etc. And the firmware out of the box was 1004 from 4/4/08.
I'm not convinced that exchanging this would accomplish anything different from what i have now, but I'm interested in hearing whether or not EVERYONE can cause their picture to sway by lightly pushing on the top corners, or did I just get a lemon. Also I wonder how much that side to side sway would decrease in a Smaller unit like a 56" 0r 50"
and to think I was going to get a LN52A550 Flat Panel LCD before this. My desire for BIGGER overcame that and I went for the HL61A750 (Both the same price before discounts&coupons)
Anyway, sorry for the Novel, Hope this may give some a little insight, as well as cause others to provide me with some too.
More to come later or tomorrow after the PS3 Quality tests.