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post #3031 of 15398
10/8/08 at 4:46pm
I got my 67a750 from Crutchfield with no regrets so far. I've been checking their site about every other day since to see if their price went down. In fact, it is still the same price I paid for it, but minus the free Bell'O stand I got with the deal too.

I'm also coming up on my 30 days since receiving it, and I've been looking for some reason to exchange it. While I've noticed everything seems to be within the reported Samsung's tolerances, I have not wanted to chance getting another one that might be off more in some area. The buzzing I hear from the set in a quiet room still makes me wonder a bit, but that also seems to be within tolerances per the prior posts here.

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Crutchfield, for one. If you are in a state where Amazon charges sales tax, then Crutch could be cheaper; that was the case for me.
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post #3032 of 15398
10/8/08 at 6:25pm
There are two different formats that are shown in movie theatres, Scope (Cinemascope) is the 2.35:1 and Flat which is the 1.85:1. Most movies are filmed in flat. Usually about 25% of the releases are filmed in Scope. Theatres use masking on the screens to change between formats. The 16x9 format of HDTV was selected as a compromise of the both. So that is why you still see black bars on widescreen HDTVs.
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post #3033 of 15398
10/8/08 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by sageraistlin View Post

CCA it set to on from the Factory from the looks of it.

There should be some way to restore the factory defaults I would think. I doubt you ruined the tv. Otherwise, this looks like it has all the factory defaults listed.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1017

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Samsung's basic approach is the center of the image should be fairly well focussed. Meaning all three colors should be closely aligned. Going outwards from there the alignment will be worse. The magic number they use is 1/8"... each color should be within 1/8" of the center of a one pixel line. Now if the 1/8" rule covers only the center or the entire screen I don't know.

From having an optical block swapped I think the convergence is mostly determined by the cabinet itself and the large mirror attached to it. The optical block only plays a small part. With this in mind if you want your convergence improved getting a new set is probably your only option.

Working with Samsung is (almost) totally done by your repair guy and at times no fun at all. If possible go back to your dealer as in most cases they will be more than willing to swap sets for you.

I had a screen issue (with multiple back ordered parts) and Samsung made it clear they had no interest in swapping sets. Even their corporate office said such even though my repair guy and two Samsung's service reps said they would if parts were backordered (next to forever).

Magically after x number of calls (more than I could count) I received a call and was given an authorized replacement number. Two days later I had a new set.

The convergence wasn't as good on this set so I had it serviced and while here the repair guy called Samsung and received the above info about convergence. Which pronounced my set to be within specs.

Discussing it with him after the call he took a good look at the center of the screen and decided it wasn't focussed perfectly so he wanted to swap the optical block. It was his call and I'm sure Samsung would have said it was fine.

Swapping optical blocks I saw a minor improvement although the convergence remained about 90% or more the same. As I posted earlier the real gain was from him doing a manual and electronic focus as I could easily see the image was sharper.

Moral of the story if you aren't happy with your set swap it with your dealer. After 30-days you can still get something done but often it won't be pretty.

Sounds similar to the problem I am having with Samsung, they are HORRIBLE in solving problems and you are left to fend for yourself. I am starting to think that my Mack warranty will be easier to deal with since they use different repair companies.
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post #3034 of 15398
10/8/08 at 6:40pm
I see a lot of folks looking for deals ... I got the HL61A750 for $1575 at BB this past weekend and they did not even have one in stock. Just an FYI for those seeking what a local store can do.
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post #3035 of 15398
10/8/08 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by loflin View Post

Think about what you said.

It's more important to you to see 100% of your screen, rather than watching 100% of the movie ('...don't care if some is cut off...').

Why? The screen is just a screen (plastic or glass).

The movie is what you are watching.

I want to see as much of the important parts of the movie as I can. Seeing the tip of a building (instead of just most of the top) in the background is far less important to me. JMO
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post #3036 of 15398
10/8/08 at 7:59pm
I picked it up a Costco on monday the demo one.
at 1599 its in impecable shape with stand and I love it already.
So I'll be going though these 102 pages to see whats to do.
but as is with a tad of tweaking looks great.
1/2 the price of my LNS 4692 I bought 2 years ago.
and it displays standard def sooo much better.
I am a happy camper now.
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post #3037 of 15398
10/8/08 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by Brian1313 View Post

First off, contrast ratio is a worthless stat, because there is no industry standard of measuring it, so companies can say whatever they want. Also, I firmly believe that black levels are better on these sets than on LCDs. If you judge a TV by what they look like at the store, you are making a big mistake.

Holly smokes,
My samsung LCD LNS 4692 is 5000:1 and looks great in HD.
They just keep putting up the numbers to freak you people out.
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post #3038 of 15398
10/8/08 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by claytonc View Post

I was kind of under the impression that LED's would not fade. hmm....

No ,they just Burn out in a instant. They are not supposed to fade at all.
even after years of use
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post #3039 of 15398
10/8/08 at 10:15pm
Is there some reason that I cannot access the Detailed Settings Menu. I have everything hooked up HDMI-pass thru from my Onkyo 705, and no luck on getting into that menu. Thanks for any help
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post #3040 of 15398
10/8/08 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by hpman247 View Post

Is there some reason that I cannot access the Detailed Settings Menu. I have everything hooked up HDMI-pass thru from my Onkyo 705, and no luck on getting into that menu. Thanks for any help

It's not available in all modes--try switching from dynamic to film or standard.
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post #3041 of 15398
10/9/08 at 5:28am
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Originally Posted by sixfoot View Post

I want to see as much of the important parts of the movie as I can. Seeing the tip of a building (instead of just most of the top) in the background is far less important to me. JMO

Were you one of those who actually bought the full-screen "pan and scan" versions of movies on DVD?

And it isn't the top/bottom that gets cut off, it's the sides.
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post #3042 of 15398
10/9/08 at 5:43am
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Were you one of those who actually bought the full-screen "pan and scan" versions of movies on DVD?

And it isn't the top/bottom that gets cut off, it's the sides.

Yes I was when I had a 4:3 TV (there was obviously some demand or they would not have made them). My thing is that I paid good money for my entire 67" of screen. I don't want to rent/buy a movie that only lets me take advantage of 85% (or whatever the percentage) of that screen. Shouldn't those movies be 15% cheaper?

Well, I got my question answered about the Sammy being able to zoom on 2.35:1 movies.
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post #3043 of 15398
10/9/08 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by Terminator840 View Post

There are two different formats that are shown in movie theatres, Scope (Cinemascope) is the 2.35:1 and Flat which is the 1.85:1. Most movies are filmed in flat. Usually about 25% of the releases are filmed in Scope. Theatres use masking on the screens to change between formats. The 16x9 format of HDTV was selected as a compromise of the both. So that is why you still see black bars on widescreen HDTVs.

Interesting. At least 70% of the movies I rent are Scope. Do they somehow change it when converting to DVD?
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post #3044 of 15398
10/9/08 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by sixfoot View Post

Yes I was when I had a 4:3 TV (there was obviously some demand or they would not have made them). My thing is that I paid good money for my entire 67" of screen. I don't want to rent/buy a movie that only lets me take advantage of 85% (or whatever the percentage) of that screen. Shouldn't those movies be 15% cheaper?

Well, I got my question answered about the Sammy being able to zoom on 2.35:1 movies.

Pan & Scan The ultimate AVS evil!
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post #3045 of 15398
10/9/08 at 6:44am
Could anyone point me in the direction of a nice stand?

I really don't want to get the Samsung one because I want something with a back and a cabinet to enclose my electronics.
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post #3046 of 15398
10/9/08 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy View Post

Could anyone point me in the direction of a nice stand?

I really don't want to get the Samsung one because I want something with a back and a cabinet to enclose my electronics.

For the 61" set or 67"? I have the 61" and I have this stand:

http://www.csnstores.com/Bush-Furnit...3-BU2089.html#
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post #3047 of 15398
10/9/08 at 7:16am
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Could anyone point me in the direction of a nice stand?

I really don't want to get the Samsung one because I want something with a back and a cabinet to enclose my electronics.

I've got the black Plateau CRX-2V 64" and it looks absolutely brilliant with my 67". Plateau has a lot of other good stands out there. I have all of my components on their Z-5A stand.
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post #3048 of 15398
10/9/08 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy View Post

Could anyone point me in the direction of a nice stand?

I really don't want to get the Samsung one because I want something with a back and a cabinet to enclose my electronics.

My requirement was for something with casters; I wanted to be able to move the unit for my frequent insideous cable changes. Not to mention my trek from 8 track, thru Laser Disk to HD Heaven.

I have the "triple 20" with doors and casters. It currently holds my 46 " DLP going to the 61 " soon.

http://www.salamanderdesigns.com/syn/triples.jsp

There is another forum for furniture where you will spend hours reading about DIY and how boards and bricks from the "50s are sonically pure.
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post #3049 of 15398
10/9/08 at 7:17am
I have this stand and love it. It's a little pricey. It has pull out U-Turn A/V racks, so you can access the back of your equipment. And it's wide enough that I can sit my speakers on each side of the TV, instead of using speaker stands.

http://www.csnstores.com/Laurier-Fur...91-LP1347.html
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post #3050 of 15398
10/9/08 at 8:07am
I second the plateau stand. It fits the tv perfectly and is the right height (not to tall). Most of the stands I looked at are to tall for these tvs. You want to be looking at the center of these tvs when viewing. Any stand over 18" tall is too high my opinion unless you watch tv from bar stools and not a sofa.
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post #3051 of 15398
10/9/08 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by chillonhill View Post

I picked it up a Costco on monday the demo one.
at 1599 its in impecable shape with stand and I love it already.
So I'll be going though these 102 pages to see whats to do.
but as is with a tad of tweaking looks great.
1/2 the price of my LNS 4692 I bought 2 years ago.
and it displays standard def sooo much better.
I am a happy camper now.

Check you model number. The one I looked at at costco was a bulb model.
67A510
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/d...HL67A510J1FXZA
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post #3052 of 15398
10/9/08 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by sixfoot View Post

Interesting. At least 70% of the movies I rent are Scope. Do they somehow change it when converting to DVD?

Well, most of the big-time releases are in Scope such as action, special effects movies. The films are not changed during the transfer to DVD other than they are enhanced for widescreen tvs through a anamorphic transfer.

I spent 10 years as a movie theatre manager back in the 90s and I noticed a lot of the time it came down to the directors preference. For instance Speilberg shoots most of his films in flat (1.85:1). You would think films like Jurassic Park or Saving Private Ryan would be Scope, but they were both filmed in 1.85:1 format.
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post #3053 of 15398
10/9/08 at 8:23am
As far as stands asked about for the 61A750, I bought one of the last two of these http://www.xpbargains.com/xpricer.ph...d--TV51102.htm being sold by my local Best Buy. They no longer carry. It looks like crap if EITHER of the two sized inserts are used for the front edge for bigger sets. But it is perfectly sized without the inserts, for the 61" Sammy. The side edges goes straight back without one of the inserts. Very pretty .....dark mahogany, two smoke glass shelves and very sturdy. Inexpensive compared to most other options. Puts the set at perfect seating height, since it's I think 18" tall. Photos don't do it justice. The bottom shelf is only couple inches off floor. But lots of room on them and cable management in back.

Here's a better picture from Pinnacle Design's site. Shows the color of the wood well, but as mentioned above it looks like crap with the extension. When the sides go straight back it's a very smart looking stand and quite economical. Also for some reason this photo shows the back, satin black support part of the stand like it's up in front....WTF? They could do a lot better for their marketing pics on it. That's where the wire management clips are, on back of the black support in back accessible through the oblong holes.

http://www.pinnacledesign.net/images/tv51102.jpg
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post #3054 of 15398
10/9/08 at 8:33am
Thanks guys.

I'd like to get a black stand. Because of my dog, I really need to have the electronics enclosed.
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post #3055 of 15398
10/9/08 at 9:00am
Could anyone describe how the black levels on this set compare to the Samsung LCD 81f series? Does the DLP do local dimming (turning off LEDs to improve black levels)?
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post #3056 of 15398
10/9/08 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by sixfoot View Post

Yes I was when I had a 4:3 TV (there was obviously some demand or they would not have made them). My thing is that I paid good money for my entire 67" of screen. I don't want to rent/buy a movie that only lets me take advantage of 85% (or whatever the percentage) of that screen. Shouldn't those movies be 15% cheaper?

I watch letterbox movies on my 4:3 TV. I want to see all movies in the format they were meant to be seen. Full screen pan-and-scan is the equivalent of taking a photograph or painting and chopping off the sides, partially or often totally ruining the composition of the image. To do so just to use all your TV real estate, especially on a big 16:9 TV like these Sammy 61" and 67" just seems really silly.

See this for an example with Die Hard in pan-n-scan vs. letterbox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4oLdlVnNHU

And more on letterboxing vs. pan-n-scan:

http://www.reelclassics.com/Techtalk...an-article.htm

Pan and Scan sucks! But each to their own.
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post #3057 of 15398
10/9/08 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by bebfoo View Post

See this for an example with Die Hard in pan-n-scan vs. letterbox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4oLdlVnNHU

Pan and Scan sucks! But each to their own.

That is an excellent description of "artificial camera movements", which is what I hate about P&S even more than the actual cropping. In many cases, the new camera movements are also done at a different framerate than the original movie, giving it a very superficial look when viewing on a TV.
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post #3058 of 15398
10/9/08 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

For the 61" set or 67"? I have the 61" and I have this stand:

http://www.csnstores.com/Bush-Furnit...3-BU2089.html#

I just got that stand. I think it was about $370 shipped from Circuit City (chose the 3-day express shipping option but it came in 2 days). FedEx dude came while I was at work so I had to go to the Fedex facility to pick it up (didn't want to chance having a T.V. and no stand). Thing barely fit in my car and when I got it home it almost fell on me when I was trying to drag it up the stairs. That stand is HEAVY. Unpacked it all last night and it looks awesome; will probably put it together tomorrow after work. Getting my HL61A750 on Saturday! Can't wait. I'm going to be playing videogames and watching movies all weekend (3-day weekend too!)

I'll definitely take lots of pictures of my T.V. in action since this forum seems to lack that. That was probably the #1 thing I was looking for when I came here so I'll try to help others.
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post #3059 of 15398
10/9/08 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by bebfoo View Post

I watch letterbox movies on my 4:3 TV. I want to see all movies in the format they were meant to be seen. Full screen pan-and-scan is the equivalent of taking a photograph or painting and chopping off the sides, partially or often totally ruining the composition of the image. To do so just to use all your TV real estate, especially on a big 16:9 TV like these Sammy 61" and 67" just seems really silly.

See this for an example with Die Hard in pan-n-scan vs. letterbox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4oLdlVnNHU

And more on letterboxing vs. pan-n-scan:

http://www.reelclassics.com/Techtalk...an-article.htm

Pan and Scan sucks! But each to their own.

I hear your points and they are good. I don't prefer pan&scan, I prefer using 67". If I wanted to use 60", I would have bought a 60" TV. I think everyone would agree that using 100% of your screen is optimal.
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post #3060 of 15398
10/9/08 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy View Post

Thanks guys.

I'd like to get a black stand. Because of my dog, I really need to have the electronics enclosed.

Here you go - Tech Craft SWBL60. I have it and love it.
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