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post #3421 of 15631
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

It's not possible to play Blu-ray discs in 4:3 as far as I know, since their native resolution is 1.85:1 to 2.40:1. Are you sure it wasn't a full screen DVD?

It was a widescreen DVD. Some of the upcoming movie released feature shown in 4:3. I pop the same DVD into my dvd player connected via component, I don't see the red bleeding on the bar. It must be hdmi.
post #3422 of 15631
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Originally Posted by nith View Post

I pop the same DVD into my dvd player connected via component, I don't see the red bleeding on the bar. It must be hdmi.

That's really odd. Have you tried hooking the DVD player up with HDMI and seeing if the issue is still there? Or possibly a second HDMI cable in case the first one is bad?
post #3423 of 15631
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Originally Posted by Nicodimus22 View Post

That's really odd. Have you tried hooking the DVD player up with HDMI and seeing if the issue is still there? Or possibly a second HDMI cable in case the first one is bad?

My dvd player does not have hdmi connection. I have a second hdmi cable but it is from the same package and same length 12'. It is made by wirelogic. I bought from Costco. The other way I could test is by using component output from the blu-ray player. Let's see if that makes a difference tonight.
post #3424 of 15631
I just got mine today and hd isn't being installed untill next week, is it better to wait and adjust my settings once i get the hd or can i do that now?

Also, is there a list of prefered settings for optimal picture quality on these? (ie.. contrast, brightness, black adjust, dynamic contrast). Do most of you use standard mode?
post #3425 of 15631
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Originally Posted by detroit_fan View Post

I just got mine today and hd isn't being installed untill next week, is it better to wait and adjust my settings once i get the hd or can i do that now?

Also, is there a list of prefered settings for optimal picture quality on these? (ie.. contrast, brightness, black adjust, dynamic contrast). Do most of you use standard mode?

The preferred settings for most are listed in the very first post in this thread.

As for waiting for HD....do you live near a city or in a rural area?
post #3426 of 15631
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

The preferred settings for most are listed in the very first post in this thread.

As for waiting for HD....do you live near a city or in a rural area?

thanks, i thought i had remebered seeing them somewhere. I live about 30 mins south of detroit and 20 mins north of toledo, so i'd say city.
post #3427 of 15631
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Originally Posted by detroit_fan View Post

thanks, i thought i had remebered seeing them somewhere. I live about 30 mins south of detroit and 20 mins north of toledo, so i'd say city.

I took a look at a map and picked a town slightly less than halfway from Toledo to Detroit...Monroe, MI. You may be able to pick up local OTA HD from either Toledo or Detroit with a simple $10 - $15 indoor antenna.
post #3428 of 15631
mike_pro:

This feature of 61A750 is incorrect:

The Samsung has 120Hz video processing for smooth, judder free playback of 24 fps film based material, such as Blu-Ray movies

Check this out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=830
post #3429 of 15631
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

I took a look at a map and picked a town slightly less than halfway from Toledo to Detroit...Monroe, MI. You may be able to pick up local OTA HD from either Toledo or Detroit with a simple $10 - $15 indoor antenna.

Monroe is exactly where i'm at. Thanks for the tip. DirecTv is installing the HD next week, but i think i'll try an antenna untill then. Thanks again.
post #3430 of 15631
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Originally Posted by detroit_fan View Post

Monroe is exactly where i'm at. Thanks for the tip. DirecTv is installing the HD next week, but i think i'll try an antenna untill then. Thanks again.

Well, I know it would drive me crazy if I just bought the TV and had to wait a week to try out HD programming.

Go here: http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx

Just put in your address and it will give you more information about what is available in your area.

That's crazy that I just took a stab at a map and managed to pick your exact town.
post #3431 of 15631
Yes it is. How many times is this going to be addressed in this forum? Mike_pro you can explain it again if you want.

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Originally Posted by nith View Post

mike_pro:

This feature of 61A750 is incorrect:

The Samsung has 120Hz video processing for smooth, judder free playback of 24 fps film based material, such as Blu-Ray movies

Check this out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=830
post #3432 of 15631
I still have my 67a750's shipping box in my garage (over a month now). I can't fit it down the basement stairs' turn unless I collapse it. What do the owners think about needing to keep the box beyond the initial 30 days? I've always kept my TV/stereo boxes for moving purposes, but this one is so darn big!
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After reading the link about Edge Enhancement from mike_pro, I have since turned off that setting. However, I have been using black adjust (at medium) to give what seems to be better black levels. What would the technical argument be for not using this setting? If there is an article similar to the Edge Enhancement one regarding black adjust please post it in your reply.

Thanks.
post #3434 of 15631
What setting is better on a ps3 or other bluray player for 1080p24 material. Should the 1080p24 output be on or left off at 1080p60?
post #3435 of 15631
does anyone operate thier tv volume with a directv remote control? I have to repeatedly press the volume button if i use the directv remote, if i hold it down it moves one and stops, is this normal?
post #3436 of 15631
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Originally Posted by golferbradbest View Post

What setting is better on a ps3 or other bluray player for 1080p24 material. Should the 1080p24 output be on or left off at 1080p60?

turn it on
post #3437 of 15631
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Originally Posted by nith View Post

mike_pro:

This feature of 61A750 is incorrect:

The Samsung has 120Hz video processing for smooth, judder free playback of 24 fps film based material, such as Blu-Ray movies

Check this out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=830

No the FAQ is correct. The append you reference, the person is confused. On LCDs they have an "anti-judder" technique (called various names, Smooth Motion, etc.) that also works better with a 120Hz LCD panel. The DLP RPTVs do not need this "anti-judder" technique (and therefore doesn't have it), as the DLP is much, much, much faster than the LCD panels in displaying and "switching" pixels.

So people confuse 120Hz with 120Hz Motion processing and they get a NO answer to 120Hz Motion processing on DLPs boxes.

Got it?

Cut directly from Samsung product page:

CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color Engine
Samsung is the worldwide leader in creating
light engines that harness DLP HDTV
technology from Texas Instruments.
Samsung’s CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color
Engine brings together the right optics,
electronic circuitry and replaceable light
source to create a brilliant picture that’s
more lifelike and much closer to film. In its
second year of evolution, Samsung’s
CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color Engine displays
40% more color than traditional
HDTVs, delivers crisp 1080p High
Definition resolution with high contrast and
brightness, defined edges and sharp detail.
post #3438 of 15631
This is his review of the 61A750 Click here The 120hz is there for the 3D; not for the film.

He also mentioned that the A750 series lack 24p (native support). The display accepts 24p signal but will do conversion.

If it doesn't do 24p natively (5:5); why the film mode grayed out when I select 24p from the bluray player?
post #3439 of 15631
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Originally Posted by nith View Post

This is his review of the 61A750 Click here The 120hz is there for the 3D; not for the film.

He also mentioned that the A750 series lack 24p (native support). The display accepts 24p signal but will do conversion.

If it doesn't do 24p natively (5:5); why the film mode grayed out when I select 24p from the bluray player?

I see this in that review regarding the 120hz processing. From that excerpt it appears it has the 120hz processing on all the time. It doesn't have the auto motion enhancement that the LCDs have that give that odd I'm watching a home video look though.

But don't confuse the 120 Hz processing on a DLP with the 120 Hz processing being touted in many forms on LCD televisions. LCD sets need this frame doubling in order to reduce motion smearing, which is not an issue on DLP sets. All 1080p DLP TVs run at 120hz in order to perform the 1920-by-1080 resolution reproduction: The DLP chip itself has a resolution of 960 by 1080, but it displays every odd/even horizontal pixel every other frame, thereby doubling the frame rate, so that our eyes see every last one of the 1920 columns.
post #3440 of 15631
anyone that is looking for a PS3 might want to check out what walmart is running right now, seems like a great deal for the price. I don't even have an HDTV right now, but I might have to hop onto this for the price.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10727776
post #3441 of 15631
I don't have my 61"er YET......BUT I see on a SAT Forum that Direct TV in their latest Update/download to people's HD DTV Receivers opens up 1080P to them IF their HDTVs handle 1080P/24. I see that these Sammys are supposed to have that capability...can someone here that uses DTV please check it out and let us know how it works.

TKS Michael
post #3442 of 15631
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Originally Posted by cyberized View Post

I don't have my 61"er YET......BUT I see on a SAT Forum that Direct TV in their latest Update/download to people's HD DTV Receivers opens up 1080P to them IF their HDTVs handle 1080P/24. I see that these Sammys are supposed to have that capability...can someone here that uses DTV please check it out and let us know how it works.

TKS Michael

yes these tv's do 1080p/24 but theres no HD channels beeing transmitted in 1080p/24
most are 1080i and 720p
post #3443 of 15631
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Originally Posted by BATman94 View Post

I still have my 67a750's shipping box in my garage (over a month now). I can't fit it down the basement stairs' turn unless I collapse it. What do the owners think about needing to keep the box beyond the initial 30 days? I've always kept my TV/stereo boxes for moving purposes, but this one is so darn big!

I did keep the box for my 46" DLP and when I advertised it on Craigs list for sale it appeared to be a big deal. I also think if, you move or need to send it back for repair it is a big plus.

Today I sold the set to someone local, because I am having a 61A750 delivered on Thursday. The funny part is he could not fit the box into his car and we ended up using the styrafoam endcaps taped together for protection.

I ended up selling the 4674 for $350 with a spare bulb and threw in a DVI cable. The buyer got a very good set at a great price.

Somewhere I saw the 5 stages of Ferrengi aquisition and I must be a Ferrengi at heart .
post #3444 of 15631
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Originally Posted by Layd Dly View Post

Finally got my set yesterday with my 63" Init Stand. The stickers will come off once im happy with the set so please ignore they will come off. And Sorry for the poor wire management, its my only real complaint about the stand, plus i was very very impatient and just wanted to play with the tv. Plus my receiver is finally on its way back from H/K and i will get it tomorrow and hookup all my speakers. Heres a couple Pics for your enjoyment.


Click Images for Larger


Off a bit and has a bit of overscan.





Do all [brand new] HL61A750s come with those stickers?! If so, I had a 'return' foisted off on me as new, 'cuz mine (complete with its 'smiling' geometry) didn't have 'em. Gawd, I'm not even sure I want to know.
post #3445 of 15631
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Originally Posted by Lee Bailey View Post

Can you give us a picture, or a link to it at the Lowe's website? Sounds interesting.

At my Lowe's they sell do it yourself shelving / furniture. You buy steel legs that are black or silver and then the shelving material of your choice. The shelving material has pre-cut holes that the steel legs go in. You put it together and you can make a TV stand or something else. The legs come in 8in. or 16 in. lengths. I bought two 48 in. (W) x 16 in. (D) black shelves and used (8) 8 in. legs to make a stand that is 18 1/2 in. (H) x 16 in. (D) x 48 in (W). The stand is all black and is perfect for what I needed. The name of the product is Real Organized. The shelves are made of particle board. I needed something with those dimensions to fit inside an entertainment armoire made for large widescreen TV's that I bought from Sam's years ago.
post #3446 of 15631
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Originally Posted by hawkster27 View Post

Do all [brand new] HL61A750s come with those stickers?! If so, I had a 'return' foisted off on me as new, 'cuz mine (complete with its 'smiling' geometry) didn't have 'em. Gawd, I'm not even sure I want to know.

My set from Best Buy did not have any stickers on it when I removed it from the box. Does anyone know the answer to this question?
post #3447 of 15631
I've seen this issue with the stickers posted on Panasonic and LG threads as well. I really don't think you can tell if a set is new or used by the presence or lack of stickers. It seems some units have them and some don't.
post #3448 of 15631
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Originally Posted by buckeye911 View Post

i've seen this issue with the stickers posted on panasonic and lg threads as well. I really don't think you can tell if a set is new or used by the presence or lack of stickers. It seems some units have them and some don't.

+1
post #3449 of 15631
Thanks. I think I'm gonna keep it (it's in my pack-rat genes). I'll figure out how to collapse the big part without damaging it's structural integrity to store it. It's getting to be a pain navigating through the garage with the box and cars in there.

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Originally Posted by Tarooka View Post

I did keep the box for my 46" DLP and when I advertised it on Craigs list for sale it appeared to be a big deal. I also think if, you move or need to send it back for repair it is a big plus.

Today I sold the set to someone local, because I am having a 61A750 delivered on Thursday. The funny part is he could not fit the box into his car and we ended up using the styrafoam endcaps taped together for protection.

I ended up selling the 4674 for $350 with a spare bulb and threw in a DVI cable. The buyer got a very good set at a great price.

Somewhere I saw the 5 stages of Ferrengi aquisition and I must be a Ferrengi at heart .
post #3450 of 15631
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nith View Post

mike_pro:

This feature of 61A750 is incorrect:

The Samsung has 120Hz video processing for smooth, judder free playback of 24 fps film based material, such as Blu-Ray movies

Check this out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=830

Well, I don't know how the Samsung processes a 24p signal internally. It may not do 5:5 pulldown internally as that poster claims. But, it does something, and it certainly does accepts a 24p signal (as can be seen by pressing info on your remote during a blu ray). The TV is always processing it's video signal at 120Hz. When it gets a 24fps image, it doesn't show that image at 24fps. The screen update refresh rate is fixed, and independent of the input signal. The screen updates at 120Hz, regardless of input, (just like the screen resolution is fixed at 1920x1080 regardless of signal input resolution).

I'm not claiming that the TV does 5:5 pull down or runs at a native 24Hz rate when receiving a 24fps signal. I'm just claiming it does 120Hz video processing, and displays smooth, judder free playback of 24fps material. I haven't read one post on this thread of someone claiming they were unhappy with the playback of 24fps material, so whatever they are doing (5:5 pull down, 3:2 @ 60Hz, something else), seems to work and be acceptable for viewers. I wouldn't worry about what/how it is doing it, just that it accepts 24fps signals and displays them well. That is what I'm trying to convey by that item in the FAQ. This is my understanding, and I believe it to be correct. If you (or anyone) would like to propose some rewording, or additions to it, post it and I am happy to consider adding it.

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Originally Posted by BATman94 View Post

Yes it is. How many times is this going to be addressed in this forum? Mike_pro you can explain it again if you want.

Well, as I said above, if anyone wants to propose an addition or as re-write to that section, post it and lets discuss it!


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Originally Posted by BATman94 View Post

After reading the link about Edge Enhancement from mike_pro, I have since turned off that setting. However, I have been using black adjust (at medium) to give what seems to be better black levels. What would the technical argument be for not using this setting? If there is an article similar to the Edge Enhancement one regarding black adjust please post it in your reply.

Thanks.

Well, the technical argument would be "crushing blacks" or "loosing shadow detail". What black adjust is doing is adding extra black at the low end. So, for example say your video signal has colors ranging from 16 to 235, with 16 being total black, and 235 being total white. At various settings of black adjust, it will make everything below (and I'm just making up these numbers for this example, don't know what they really are), say 220 total black. At a higher setting it may make everything below 224 total black. So any parts of the picture that were above 216 that you were supposed to be able to see, will now be darker and may be totally black, loosing any fine shadow detail. It does have the effect of making the overall black level look better, because the picture is darker, but you do loose some detail. Also, it may adjust it's cutoff levels or interact with dynamic contrast, in how much it adjust blacks depending on average picture level, I'm not really sure.

If you want an easy way to see the effect of this, the AVC HD calibration disk (free download, check the calibration thread) has some great patterns for demonstrating this. Download and burn that to DVD, but you have to play it in a Blu Ray player. There are some test patterns on that disk that show a background at various levels, from black to all white, and ranges of like 25%, 50% and 75% in between. These patters are solid, except for at the bottom right hand corner it also always shows a grey scale from black to full white. You should always be able to see all steps of that gray scale regardless of the background picture level. You can use this image and turn black adjust on to various levels and watch how the lighter shades of black and gray disappear. Also useful for seeing the effects of dynamic contrast.

In the end, it comes down to personal preference if you want to use these settings. I actually sometimes like using dynamic contrast and maybe even some black adjust in standard for watching certain cable channels during bright daylight hours. However, to properly set your contrast and brightness levels, make sure all of these are disabled! Only turn them on after you have correctly set those.
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