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post #151 of 5645
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Originally Posted by dan webster View Post

MY other player is a Sharp . It says that it decodes dolby true. Maybe i am just lucky but i have not had one single audio drop out yet. By tyhe way i am not a big fan of samsung. I had a samsung plasma for a week and returned for a panasonic plasma that was much better. I bought this machine only because i wanted to hear the hi rez audio formats through my new processor. I had every intention of returning it after that and buying the panasonic 50 when it is released.

I dont like Samsung either but so far so good with this player. I'm going to watch NT2 today so I will report back with my findings.

I returned the bd30 because I didnt like the audio dropouts. I was waiting or the bd50 but with a $699 list I think Panasonic is crazy. I like the design of the 1500 better too. The slim profile reminds me of the DVD days.
post #152 of 5645
Not to divert any talks about dropouts but would like to show images. And still no dropouts in my 1500 when watching a movie. But When I put 3:10 to Yuma and while in movie preview with Rambo my Receiver Onkyo 705 says no signal so I dont have sounds for a few seconds but does have picture showing in my screen.
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post #153 of 5645
More images.....On the 2nd image you will see it says 1080p 60 from 720p/10801 pj. My bd30 could not show this and so my bd10a and hd-a30.
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post #154 of 5645
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Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post

The 1500 is 2.0 capable, loads faster, and does not have the True HD audio dropout problem that the BD-30 has. It is also $100-150 cheaper. I liked my BD-30 but to say the only thing the 1500 has over the BD-30 is a cheaper price couldnt be further from the truth.

Apparently is does have some sort of audio drop out according to a few that have posted here.
post #155 of 5645
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Apparently is does have some sort of audio drop out according to a few that have posted here.

The audio issues on the BD30 related to TrueHD soundtracks, and it is very noticeable. What I have found on the 1500 is related to PCM soundtracks and is very subtle. Many have not even noticed anything. I would speculate there is a timing issue with PCM data using the HDMI interface on the 1500. If so, it should be something that can be fairly easily corrected in firmware.
post #156 of 5645
REGARDING THE "BRAND" OF THE PLAYER
I would like people to NOT knock the product because of who made it. Samsung can deliver quality products. Check the memory in your computer. Chances are the chips say Samsung, and do not forger about their DLP TVs which look pretty nice outside of a store environment.

I have had a lot of issues with Samsung products in the past. I have a CRT that has a picture more warped than Tom Cruise on a rant about psychology, and LCD TV with more color issues than a Cocker Spaniel, and DVD players that had Alzheimer's. I am by no means a "Fanboy." (I by no means am try to offend any Scientologists, people with Alzheimer's, or Cocker Spaniels, so I aplogizes ahead of time just in case.)

This player is an example of why this company is still in business. It is a quality product that has not disappointed.

SOUND ISSUES

I have had none. All I can say, since I use optical on my old rusty... err "Trusty" Pioneer receiver. I will see if I can test it on a receiver that has HDMI sound the first chance I get.
post #157 of 5645
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Originally Posted by AndyGood View Post

Apparently is does have some sort of audio drop out according to a few that have posted here.

No disrecpect but why don't you get a 1500 so whatever you share in this thread somehow becomes valid, I am sure you will return it anyway. Since you don't have one (1500) I don't understand your motive of hanging around this thread, Are you some sort of doing a survey about how bad this 1500 can be? Just a question.


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Originally Posted by Robert George View Post

The audio issues on the BD30 related to TrueHD soundtracks, and it is very noticeable. What I have found on the 1500 is related to PCM soundtracks and is very subtle. Many have not even noticed anything. I would speculate there is a timing issue with PCM data using the HDMI interface on the 1500. If so, it should be something that can be fairly easily corrected in firmware.

I agree with you nothing in all my truehd movie has an audio drop so far, The only one I encounter is when I play the 3:10 to yuma which is in PCM, This one occurs during the preview of Rambo not while the movie 3:10 to Yuma is in playback.
post #158 of 5645
I have watched a grand total of one disc so far: Casino Royale.

Great Picture. Great sound. No dropouts. Pretty zippy to boot/respond.

I've previewed ony a few minutes of on SD DVD: Breach. Looks like the upscaling may only be average.

Model not yet in the Harmony Remote database, but the BD-P1400 seems close, and will suffice with a little tweaking.
post #159 of 5645
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Originally Posted by rutlian View Post

No disrecpect but why don't you get a 1500 so whatever you share in this thread somehow becomes valid, I am sure you will return it anyway. Since you don't have one (1500) I don't understand your motive of hanging around this thread, Are you some sort of doing a survey about how bad this 1500 can be? Just a question.




I agree with you nothing in all my truehd movie has an audio drop so far, The only one I encounter is when I play the 3:10 to yuma which is in PCM, This one occurs during the preview of Rambo not while the movie 3:10 to Yuma is in playback.

No disrespect taken. I am hanging around becuse I'd like this player to be a winner, I just purchased a Panasonic BD30 and have 30 days to return it if this player does everything it should. However, it would take alot for me to be convinced based on the negatives I have encountered with Samsung. So far we are not very far into this and I can't really say all is well, the Panasonic made it for a while before people starting posting issues.
post #160 of 5645
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Originally Posted by Robert George View Post

This player outputs DTS-HD MA in bitstream form, as was described by Samsung when the player was announced. DTS-HD MA decoding was never claimed for this player.

What's sad about that?

Actually a slight brain freeze on my part. I hadn't realized that it decoded Dolby True HD at all and momentarily confused that with bitstreaming. I also hadn't realized that it does the down conversion/merge of Dolby True with the secondary and effects audio streams.

I am satisfied with only the bitstreaming of both HD formats and listening to the lossey versions when including the secondary audio.
post #161 of 5645
Upon reading various posts I decided to take the plunge. BUT ONLY if I got MY price. My local WalMart had 2 in stock at $348. BB was selling for $399. I got the BB store manager to do the price match by calling WM. So far so good. Now for the SCORE. I whipped out my 12% Rewards coupon.(which expires Monday 5-26) He said that he could NOT take more off and his computer couldn't handle the transaction. I said to him, then get an overide. He left for a minute, came back and suddenly his computer took the transaction. I paid $306(plus tax) for the 1500. Persistence pays off. On Friday they had 8 units. Sunday, I got the LAST ONE. Instrestingly, WM had 3 on Friday and still had 2 on Sunday. Go figure.

I have a 1400 now. Unlike some others I have had no real problems with it. That was my first BD player. I am on FW 1.8. My 1500 is still in the box. I am watching the Lakers give away game 3. I will install it sometime tonight or tomorrow and report back on my experience. I would NOT have bought it at $348, but at $306 and the good words from this thread, it was a no brainer.

Classico
post #162 of 5645
It seems DTS-HD Master Audio is the most popular HD audio format for blu-ray movies, correct?

I wish Samsung would have future firmware update for DTS-HD Master Audio too..
post #163 of 5645
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Originally Posted by soldonandy View Post

No disrespect taken. I am hanging around becuse I'd like this player to be a winner, I just purchased a Panasonic BD30 and have 30 days to return it if this player does everything it should. However, it would take alot for me to be convinced based on the negatives I have encountered with Samsung. So far we are not very far into this and I can't really say all is well, the Panasonic made it for a while before people starting posting issues.

I understand, It's too early to tell if this is a winner I agree with I use to have
one of the bd30 but return it due to some problems although the lfe bug was fixed and did not have any drop out from md bd30 before but because I could save money I bought the 1500 I used to own one of the samsung upconverter player and I was happy with it. And don't have bad experience with samsung so I feel good about getting the 1500.
post #164 of 5645
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Originally Posted by midnightman View Post

It seems DTS-HD Master Audio is the most popular HD audio format for blu-ray movies, correct?

I wish Samsung would have future firmware update for DTS-HD Master Audio too..

I don't understand, you mean decode by the player? because the 1500 can send it bitstream if you 1.3 reciever. I posted some image above this page for the dts hd ma, truehd that shows in my receiver.
post #165 of 5645
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Originally Posted by jrseau55 View Post

Off the top of my head, these are the last films I remember viewing on this particular player. I've noted some of my observations that I recall:

National Treasure
National Treasure 2 (Only a few times in the first half of the film)
Good Luck Chuck (6-8 drop outs throughout film)
Mr. Woodcock (no problems)
Twister

I just finished watching NT2 but no audio drop. Not even a single one.
post #166 of 5645
Just a gut feeling, but I suspect that some of the audio drops may apply to people using 2 speakers on their HDTVs , using a direct HDMI connection from the player to the back of the set.

Any takers on people seeing this issue with AVRs and 5.1 speaker setups?

or maybe I'm just cranky in my observations today.....
post #167 of 5645
I have been trying several players for a friend who wanted a low priced player. He originally bought a Mag player and returned it because of several issues including audio drops. He got the 1500 for a little more money. I tried it a my house last night watching National Treasure 2 using bitstream Dolby True HD output HDMI to an Onkyo 605. We heard abou 5 or 6 audio drops that were very fast. I own the BD30 and I also had the same issue on many disks. I think it may be a problem with errors on the disks similar to a CD audio drop when you hit a bump in a car. It could also be a receiver issue. It must be realized that no DVD is perfect and error correct and buffering is usually necessary. I am wondering if the buffers or error correction is good enough for the advaced audio codecs. What leads me to this conclusion is that all disks don't have the audio drop issue. I believe there are several things that can be done including better quality control on disk manufacturing, new firmwares with better error correction, and better buffers built into both the players and receivers that decode Dolby True HD and DTSMA.
post #168 of 5645
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Originally Posted by rutlian View Post

I just finished watching NT2 but no audio drop. Not even a single one.

Same here. Just watched NT2 (awful move by the way) but I did not notice any audio drop outs.
post #169 of 5645
If you are having audio drop outs please be specific as to how you outputing the unit and if you are using bitstream to a receiver. Please also list the brand of receiver. It will be interesting to see if this problem is only with specific receivers or if it a disk or player issue.
post #170 of 5645
My audio drops occurred on Ratatouille. Using Uncompressed PCM soundstrack. Connected to an Onkyo TX-SR875 via HDMI.
post #171 of 5645
Audio Specs Explained (or the Mystery of the Missing Audio Specs)

I see lots of people are asking about the audio formats supported by this player, and the SD capabilities of this player. I will handle the audio portion now, and later post a detailed review of the SD playback later on.

I will tell you right now that the website is MISLEADING. The manual is just as bad. (Read my earlier review post for the details).

The player does "DECODE" Dolby True-HD in PCM mode. That way people can output Dolby True-HD to a receiver the supports mutli-channel PCM if they lack Dolby True-HD support on their receiver.

Now, in the manual this mode disabled DTS-HD MA support. So, this means the player does SUPPORT DTS-HD MA. How you many ask? Bitstream. That means it can OUTPUT a DTS-HD MA signal but cannot internally decode it and output it via multi-channel PCM. Also, I confirmed with a customer service rep at Samsung that the player does do DTS-HD MA via bitsream, and he said we will notify the correct people to get the manual, box, and website corrected (NOTE: I believe he will do this. I also believe in honest politicians and Santa too.)

Here is the table of audio settings for the player.
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PCM

Definition
Decodes Primary, Secondary and Effect audio streams together into PCM audio. You can enjoy Primary, Secondary and Effect audio
together.

Pro
You can also enjoy DolbyTrueHD sound even if your receiver cannot decode DolbyTrueHD. Here is where the Dolby TrueHD Decoding comes in.

Con
You cannot hear DTS-HD sound with this setting even if you have
an HDMI 1.3 receiver which has DTS-HD decoding capability. (So the player does BITSTREAM DTS-HD, but not DECODE it).

Recommended use
Recommended choice if you have an HDMI 1.1 or HDMI 1.2
receiver which cannot decode DTS-HD MA. (Mentions DTS-HD MA)

Also recommended if you are using an optical cable for audio
and your receiver cannot decode Dolby Digital or DTS.

Bitstream
(Re-encode)

Definition
Decodes Primary, Secondary and Effect audio streams together into PCM audio, then re-encodes the PCM audio into DTS bitstream.
You can enjoy Primary, Secondary and Effect audio together.

Con
Audio quality may be lower than PCM or Bitstream (Audiophile) setups.

Recommended use
Recommended choice if you don’t have an HDMI supported receiver, but have a receiver with an Optical input that can decode DTS.

Bitstream
(Audiophile)

Definition
Outputs only the Primary audio soundtrack (main soundtrack of the movie) so that your receiver can decode the audio bitstream.

Pro
You can enjoy DTS-HD sound if you have HDMI 1.3 receiver
which has DTS-HD decoding capability.

Con
You will not hear Secondary and Effect audio.

Recommended use
Recommended choice if you have an HDMI 1.3 receiver which has DTS-HD decoding capability.
____________________________________________________________ _____

Now here are the notes in the audio section.
  • If you have selected a LPCM soundtrack on a disk, the output will automatically be set to PCM.
  • Be sure to select the correct Digital Output or you will hear no sound or a loud noise.
  • If the HDMI device (Receiver, TV) is not compatible with compressed formats (Dolby digital, DTS), the audio signal outputs as PCM.
  • Secondary and Effect audio will not be heard with regular DVDs.
  • Some Blu-ray Discs do not have Secondary and Effect audio.
  • This Digital Output setup does not effect the analog (L/R) audio or HDMI audio output to your TV. It effects the optical and HDMI audio output when connected to a receiver.
  • When the player outputs HD audio bitstream(Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio) from the Optical jack to an HDMI 1.3 receiver only 2 channel PCM audio will be heard. (Again this implies that the player does BITSTREAM DTS-HD Master Audio and does not DECODE it.)
  • If you play MPEG audio soundtracks, audio signal outputs PCM regardless of Digital Ouptut Selections(PCM or Bitstream).

____________________________________________________________ _____


The manual and website are VERY misleading, yet accurate. The player does BITSTREAM all available audio formats (All Dolby and DTS formats INCLUDING DTS HD-MA), however in its PCM mode, in which the player DECODES audio formats, and it does not support DTS-HD MA (Which I assume is what the website is referring to when it says DECODING).

So, if you have a receiver that supports DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD then this player will output all formats. However, if your receiver only does multi-channel PCM over HDMI, then you can only use Dolby TrueHD in PCM mode.

So, if you want a player that will bitstream all audio formats, then this player will be right up your alley. If you want a player that decodes these formats to output to equipment that does not support these formats natively, and you have no plains to upgrade your A/V receiver then you might want to wait for the Panasonic BD-50 or the new Sony player.

I hope this helps to clarify this rather confusing situation a bit. Now, if you don't mind, I am going to pop some aspirin for my migraine from reading the manual and website, and watch some Fifth Element in Blu-ray... then again maybe not *OUCH*.
post #172 of 5645
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Originally Posted by spunky721 View Post

My audio drops occurred on Ratatouille. Using Uncompressed PCM soundstrack. Connected to an Onkyo TX-SR875 via HDMI.

Are these random or repeatable? I also have an Onkyo receiver, but no problems yet. Knock on wood!
post #173 of 5645
I hooked it up with Yammy 663 and played AVP:R (DTS-HD MA). Audio out was set to Bitstream and there were audio drops. The drops were fairly quick but I noticed them.
post #174 of 5645
Just to do a quick follow-up and for clarification, the original audio drops I described were also very fast but obviously noticeable.
post #175 of 5645
Classico
How to get 12% reward coupon from BB, I'm interested to buy also.
post #176 of 5645
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Originally Posted by AdmiralJoker View Post

Bitstream
(Audiophile)

Definition
Outputs only the Primary audio soundtrack (main soundtrack of the movie) so that your receiver can decode the audio bitstream.

Pro
You can enjoy DTS-HD sound if you have HDMI 1.3 receiver
which has DTS-HD decoding capability.

Con
You will not hear Secondary and Effect audio.

Recommended use
Recommended choice if you have an HDMI 1.3 receiver which has DTS-HD decoding capability.

So if you have a HDMI 1.3 receiver, you would select Bitstream (Audiophile) option and NOT having Secondary and Effect audio???

It doesn't sound like an acceptable option to me
post #177 of 5645
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Originally Posted by LRabbit View Post

Classico
How to get 12% reward coupon from BB, I'm interested to buy also.

Go into BB and join their BB Rewards Program. Every so often you will get 10 & 12% off coupons thru email. Print them out and take them in with your Rewards Card and claim your discount. Every time you make a purchase show your card. They track your purchases and you get additional points off certain items in the store as you build up points. But I think you will get the 12% coupons thru email even without any points.

Good luck,

Classico
post #178 of 5645
For those who can't get this in their area... like me... I've been watching all the local outlets for ordering. According to CC they will have it tommorrow available for shipping. we shall see

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post #179 of 5645
Hi all. I've been following this thread for about a week. Yesterday I went into BB and bought this (my first) BRD player. I also picked up Ratatouille and NT2 at the same time. My AV receiver only decodes DTS-ES, DD-EX and DPLII. I had forgotten until last night that it has 6 channel analog inputs, but oh well.

I'm using the optical out with the "Bitstream (re-encode)" option so it send to the receiver as DTS. I had no audio problems at all on NT2 but had quite a few (probably 15 or so) brief audio drop-outs in Ratatouille. Hopefully this is fixable via firmware. Overall I like the player but if there isn't a fix in 30 days, I'll probably return it and maybe get a player with analog outs (although I have no idea which player that would be in the same price range).
post #180 of 5645
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Originally Posted by midnightman View Post

It seems DTS-HD Master Audio is the most popular HD audio format for blu-ray movies, correct?

I wish Samsung would have future firmware update for DTS-HD Master Audio too..

If you do not have a receiver that decodes lossless audio I understand your wish, but it is most always better sound to have the receiver decode rather than the player. That being said the 1500 does decode DTS HD which still sounds GREAT. BUT under any circumstance, if your receiver does not have HDMI then the BEST you can get from the 1500 is the 1.5Mbs from DTS encoding via optical or coax.

To me this is NOT the player to get if you NEED analog sound input/output. The 1400 has that (I have one and it is really good) and you can get it for about the same price.

Classico
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