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My take on the merit of THX.

post #1 of 98
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In receivers its invaluable because it specifies that the receiver's built in amp can do 75-115dbs without any meaningful issues.

In speakers it is meaningless- monster cable are the prime example.

In SSP their features are invaluable so any Pre/pro worth buying has their Ultra2 suite.

In separate amplifiers it is meaningless because no major company really aim for certification, ie- Mark Levinson, Outlaw, Halcro, McIntosh, Lexicon, Marantz, Anthem ect...
Only- Carver, Denon, Onkyo, Parasound, and NAD get themselves certified.
I think their isn't much incentive for certification in separate amplifiers because it is assumed that any offering from the above companies can get it done.
I mean a 100lb amplifier always beats the 30-90lb receiver in wpc.

Anyone agree?
post #2 of 98
Nope.
post #3 of 98
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Where did go wrong?
post #4 of 98
Here is an interesting read.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...06-part-1.html

I'm not going to get into the virtues or non-virtues of THX. We've gone thru that before, but I will question your logic if you say that THX is worth it in receivers but not in speakers, for if you feel that THX has something to offer, they put as much of a demand for meeting their speaker specs as they do their receiver specs.
post #5 of 98
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Dude, Monster Cable speakers.
post #6 of 98
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For the record I am a Lucas fanboy and hold THX in the highest esteem, but Monster Cable speakers devalue the THX name.
post #7 of 98
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Dude, Monster Cable speakers.

Kenwood and JVC Receivers. What's you're point?

Hell, THX certified Monsters cables and speaker wire when THX first came to market.
post #8 of 98
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theres nothing wrong with Monster Cable's cables being THX certified, its Monster Cable speakers!!!
Speaker by Monster Cable.
Lets demonstrate- Snell, JBL, Klipsch, Atlantic Technology, M&K, and Monster Cable.
Which one doesn't fit???
post #9 of 98
Kenwood and JVC THX receivers don't fit either as compared to your Denon and Onkyo/Integra THX receivers.

Have you heard the Monster Speakers? I haven't.

Here's another caveat for you. Just because you may have 10 speakers that are THX spec'd, doesn't mean that they will all sound alike. It just means that they have met the THX spec. There is sooooo much more that goes into what a speaker sounds like.
post #10 of 98
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The Monster Speaker are in the Demo rooms in Ultimate electronics, they sound chirpy and small.
Plus weren't Kenwood and JVC good back in olden times?
post #11 of 98
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Plus weren't Kenwood and JVC good back in olden times?

Olden times? Thanks !!

(crawling back into cave now.......)

.....and no, they weren't that good, even back then.......................although I did have the Kenwood THX separates as well as the THX Boston Acoustics speakers (only because I was able to get them on accommodation). They were some of the first THX gear that was ever certified.
post #12 of 98
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Were they better than like a Sony5300ES?
Cause if they were worse than THX would loose another point with me.
post #13 of 98
Don't know. Never compared them.
post #14 of 98
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Dude, Monster Cable speakers.

What's your point?
post #15 of 98
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

What's your point?

What? Is there an echo in here? (see post #7)
post #16 of 98
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

I mean a 100lb amplifier always beats the 30-90lb receiver in wpc.

Anyone agree?

No.

My 105lb amplfier is a mere 200wpc. My 21lb amplifier is 700wpc.

If you don't believe the 21lb amp is 700wpc, I'll be more than happy to connect it to your speakers and see if they contain any magic smoke.
post #17 of 98
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Is the 21lb amp class D?
post #18 of 98
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Is the 21lb amp class D?

Must be.
post #19 of 98
THX certification is a great place to start for somebody who wants to put together a reasonable working system without having to think about it too hard. Personally THX certification doesn't matter to me. But it is interesting to see what the requirements are.
post #20 of 98
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I just think that Seperate amplifier Makers don't seek certification because it's something they dont think their customers care about it. As a rule a non certified Amp should comfortably out perform a Ultra2 spec'd receiver.
I personally don't care for seperates as I upgrade my receiver every other year, and Seperates seem like to much of a commitment.
post #21 of 98
Here's my 2 cents.

All of my gear is THX certified, but it's over 10 years old. Back in the early days of Home Theaters, I believe THX made a lot more sense in that our desire was to replicate as much of the movie theater experience as we could, and who better to lay down some ground rules than those that brought high-end audio into those movie theaters in the first place. We figured, hell, if movie theaters were bringing in THX certification into their professional enviornment, and we wanted to duplicate that environment, than we, the home theater buffs, would want as close to the same thing as possible.

But since then, we, the end-users AND the manufacturers have learned quite a bit in replicating that movie theater experience, hence, at least for me, if I were in the market to buy new equipment, it would not be based on if it were THX spec'd or not.
post #22 of 98
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Is the 21lb amp class D?

No.

Switching power supply, but Class AB/H output stage.

It's the QSC PLX3402.
post #23 of 98
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In separate amplifiers it is meaningless because no major company really aim for certification, ie- Mark Levinson, Outlaw, Halcro, McIntosh, Lexicon, Marantz, Anthem ect...
Only- Carver, Denon, Onkyo, Parasound, and NAD get themselves certified.

That's odd, my Denon power amp is not THX certified. My Marantz power amp is THX certified.

Not that I care either way.
post #24 of 98
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Marantz's current separate Amp offerings are not THX while Denon's are.
post #25 of 98
THX is kind of like a union. You might not get the best worker, but you will almost certainly not get the worst worker. In the mean time THX (and others) are getting rich collecting 1-2% of the gross. It is marketing brilliance.
post #26 of 98
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DknightHd, very true.
post #27 of 98
I clicked on your link

http://www.youtube.com/thezollybeckershow

Is this you?
post #28 of 98
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Originally Posted by dknightd View Post

THX is kind of like a union. You might not get the best worker, but you will almost certainly not get the worst worker. In the mean time THX (and others) are getting rich collecting 1-2% of the gross. It is marketing brilliance.

No, THX must be like AVS forums. You won't always get the most knowledgable posters, you will always get the same old posters.

Get off the Union kick dude, it has nothing to do with this. Or anything audio for that matter.
post #29 of 98
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Originally Posted by Easyaspie View Post

No, THX must be like AVS forums. You won't always get the most knowledgable posters, you will always get the same old posters.

Get off the Union kick dude, it has nothing to do with this. Or anything audio for that matter.

Sorry EasyAsPie, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Maybe you have me confused with somebody else.

THX is nothing like AVS. THX costs to join. AVS is free. THX has more uniform standards. AVS has virtually no standards. You can find great information on AVS (also some not very good - depends on the voluntary contributor). THX has more uniformally useful information (but it might not be the best information
for those at the lower and higher ends of the consumer marketplace).

I'm not on a union kick, and you are right it has nothing to do with
AVS or THX, but it seemed like a good analogy at the time . . .
post #30 of 98
I think I'll just shake my head and move on.......

(shaking head and moving on)
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