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post #1 of 159
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OK, I think I am ready to get something in that $1k range that plays CD and SACD discs. I will leave DVD A/V to another player. I could either use the DAC in the player or just use it as a transport and use the DAC in my McIntosh MX132.

Any advice is appreciated, THANKS!!!
post #2 of 159
Oppo 980 will do just fine, especially if you're using your Mac's DAC in which case spending any more than that would be absurd.
post #3 of 159
I own the Oppo 980H, and it works very well sending via DSD. You can send it via PCM and it sounds about the same. The only difference I noticed is in channel levels between the two. Balance that out, and there is virtually no difference. The confusing thing about the Oppo (which is in the manual) is that you have to set the output by clicking the HDMI button before you get any high-resolution 5.1 channel sound. The upscaling must be set at 720p or above for the multi-channel to work, and there is no actual menu selection for it. You have to use the remote or the button on the front of the player.

I have no other basis for comparison -- other than my PS3. I'm sure you'll find a lot of people saying that analogue outs on other brands will sound better. That may be so. I have no idea, though.

Other companies I hear talked about include the Marantz 7001 player, Cambridge audio's Azure series (various models at different prices), and some Denon players.
post #4 of 159
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Originally Posted by Baccusboy View Post

I own the Oppo 980H, and it works very well sending via DSD. You can send it via PCM and it sounds about the same. The only difference I noticed is in channel levels between the two. Balance that out, and there is virtually no difference. The confusing thing about the Oppo (which is in the manual) is that you have to set the output by clicking the HDMI button before you get any high-resolution 5.1 channel sound. The upscaling must be set at 720p or above for the multi-channel to work, and there is no actual menu selection for it. You have to use the remote or the button on the front of the player.

I have no other basis for comparison -- other than my PS3. I'm sure you'll find a lot of people saying that analogue outs on other brands will sound better. That may be so. I have no idea, though.

Other companies I hear talked about include the Marantz 7001 player, Cambridge audio's Azure series (various models at different prices), and some Denon players.

Thanks for the reply guys.

What If I am NOT using HDMI cables to my pre/pro, is this method still going to work?
post #5 of 159
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

OK, I think I am ready to get something in that $1k range that plays CD and SACD discs. I will leave DVD A/V to another player. I could either use the DAC in the player or just use it as a transport and use the DAC in my McIntosh MX132.

Any advice is appreciated, THANKS!!!

Hello "rodH"

I found something you may be interested in.....

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NAT585

As you will see if you haven't already clicked unto the link, this player is normally msrp'd at $1299.00. For $499.00, it's a great deal on a surperb
product. And it addresses what you want out of a SACD/CD player!

Tell me what you think.

Regards.
post #6 of 159
You may also want to look at this one:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PACD200

Normally $1500.
post #7 of 159
Kindly Refer To #5 & #6 Links.
Is There Any One Knows Which Of The Following Is
Performing Better:
Nad - T585
Parasound - Pacd200

Many Thanks,
post #8 of 159
I have not heard either one, but I did see them on display at a local dealer. I would pass on the NAD due to build quality, tray seemed very flimsy to me. The NAD does not list Divx/Xvid as a format it will play either, although that might not matter to some.
post #9 of 159
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Originally Posted by Stereophile View Post

Kindly Refer To #5 & #6 Links.
Is There Any One Knows Which Of The Following Is
Performing Better:
Nad - T585
Parasound - Pacd200

Many Thanks,

No doubt! The Parasound D200 is the better player and buy! Not to mention that it's built to the 9's! What the hell was I thinking?!

Regards.
post #10 of 159
Which brand is the Parasound based off of? I think someone said the Halo D3 was similar to a Denon.
post #11 of 159
Thread Starter 
That parasound looks pretty dang nice, and a great price.

I just have a couple questions regarding the universal player:

1. I already have a Sony scd-222ES sacd/cd player carosel, would this player really sound much better? the reason I wanted to go dedicated was to get better CD/SACD playback.

2. I wasn't really looking for a "universal" player, since I was going to buy a BR player by the end of the year that would handle all the DVD duties, so I was thinking it might be better to just invest the money into a cd/sacd player of slightly better quality.

THOUGHTS????
post #12 of 159
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

That parasound looks pretty dang nice, and a great price.

I just have a couple questions regarding the universal player:

1. I already have a Sony scd-222ES sacd/cd player carosel, would this player really sound much better? the reason I wanted to go dedicated was to get better CD/SACD playback.

2. I wasn't really looking for a "universal" player, since I was going to buy a BR player by the end of the year that would handle all the DVD duties, so I was thinking it might be better to just invest the money into a cd/sacd player of slightly better quality.

THOUGHTS????

Yeah but I wouldn't recommend a hi-rez audio player that didn't output MCH via HDMI today.
post #13 of 159
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Yeah but I wouldn't recommend a hi-rez audio player that didn't output MCH via HDMI today.

You're such a killjoy!
post #14 of 159
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Yeah but I wouldn't recommend a hi-rez audio player that didn't output MCH via HDMI today.

I wont be using audio HDMI, my McIntosh doesn't support it, I just want to use it for CD/SACD and even DVD-A using analog and digital. No need for HDMI.

Kal, any experience with this player, I have read a couple reviews comparing it to the Oppo universal, sounds like the Oppo is better at picture (which I don't care) and this is better at Audio.????
post #15 of 159
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Yeah but I wouldn't recommend a hi-rez audio player that didn't output MCH via HDMI today.

Dear Kal:
Most Hi end preamp does not have HDMI input. If I want a good
CD and SACD player, under $1,000 budge which one you would recommend ?
I value your expertise.
post #16 of 159
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

No doubt! The Parasound PACD200 is the better player and buy! Not to mention that it's built to the 9's! What the hell was I thinking?!

Regards.

Many thanks for your information.
Best regards,
post #17 of 159
Thread Starter 
before I pull the trigger, i'd like to hear some more opinions regarding this Parasound VS the oppo 983 (which is still a couple hundred less and MUCH smaller) with emphasis on audio.
post #18 of 159
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Originally Posted by Stereophile View Post

Dear Kal:
Most Hi end preamp does not have HDMI input.

They will, eventually.
post #19 of 159
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

before I pull the trigger, i'd like to hear some more opinions regarding this Parasound VS the oppo 983 (which is still a couple hundred less and MUCH smaller) with emphasis on audio.

hello "rodH".

If the emphasis is on audio, then when it comes to the Oppo player of choice, it should be the DV-980H, not the 983. The technology in the 980 leans more to audio performance than video. It's still has good video performance, but audio is the virtue. Why? The DSD capability.

http://oppodigital.com/dv980h/dv980h_comp.asp

At $169.00, there's isn't a word or phrase available to me right now to describe the value this player offers!
That being said, although value is the strong point, that doesn't mean that it's an overall better buy than Parasound D200.

http://parasound.com/nc/d200.php

Now, at $599.00 this is a tremendous value also. You can consider this a hi-end product because a lot of the technology is past down from the flagship Halo model. The build quality alone, in my opinion puts this ahead of the Oppo. It's a beast. If the size of the D200 is not compatible with your setup, then I would suggest the NAD T585 at $499.00.

http://nadelectronics.com/products/d...sal-DVD-Player

Although, not the build quality of the Parasound, but a formidable player in it's own right.

And finally, if money is the virtue, than the Oppo is the obvious choice. Nothing to be ashamed about if you choose this player.
They all share similar technology at different levels.

I hope this helps.

Regards.

I hope this helps.
post #20 of 159
Thread Starter 
thanks for your insight, the oppo is tempting, BUT I am primarily interested in the unit for SACD/CD music and it will replace a Sony ES changer, so I bet I don't get an increase in SQ over that with the Oppo. I would think the Parasound would be a step up as a dedicated player and/or transport. The fact that it has HDMI and video would just be a slight added bonus.

dang, decisions.

Regarding HDMI for the pre/pro as KAL mentioned, yes, i can get one to replace my Mc, but the MX136 just went to $10k for the unit, so that upgrade isn't happening any time in the next several years for me.

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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

hello "rodH".

If the emphasis is on audio, then when it comes to the Oppo player of choice, it should be the DV-980H, not the 983. The technology in the 980 leans more to audio performance than video. It's still has good video performance, but audio is the virtue. Why? The DSD capability.

http://oppodigital.com/dv980h/dv980h_comp.asp

At $169.00, there's isn't a word or phrase available to me right now to describe the value this player offers!
That being said, although value is the strong point, that doesn't mean that it's an overall better buy than Parasound D200.

http://parasound.com/nc/d200.php

Now, at $599.00 this is a tremendous value also. You can consider this a hi-end product because a lot of the technology is past down from the flagship Halo model. The build quality alone, in my opinion puts this ahead of the Oppo. It's a beast. If the size of the D200 is not compatible with your setup, then I would suggest the NAD T585 at $499.00.

http://nadelectronics.com/products/d...sal-DVD-Player

Although, not the build quality of the Parasound, but a formidable player in it's own right.

And finally, if money is the virtue, than the Oppo is the obvious choice. Nothing to be ashamed about if you choose this player.
They all share similar technology at different levels.

I hope this helps.

Regards.

I hope this helps.
post #21 of 159
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

hello "rodH".

If the emphasis is on audio, then when it comes to the Oppo player of choice, it should be the DV-980H, not the 983. The technology in the 980 leans more to audio performance than video. It's still has good video performance, but audio is the virtue. Why? The DSD capability.

http://oppodigital.com/dv980h/dv980h_comp.asp

At $169.00, there's isn't a word or phrase available to me right now to describe the value this player offers!
That being said, although value is the strong point, that doesn't mean that it's an overall better buy than Parasound D200.

http://parasound.com/nc/d200.php

Now, at $599.00 this is a tremendous value also. You can consider this a hi-end product because a lot of the technology is past down from the flagship Halo model. The build quality alone, in my opinion puts this ahead of the Oppo. It's a beast. If the size of the D200 is not compatible with your setup, then I would suggest the NAD T585 at $499.00.

http://nadelectronics.com/products/d...sal-DVD-Player

Although, not the build quality of the Parasound, but a formidable player in it's own right.

And finally, if money is the virtue, than the Oppo is the obvious choice. Nothing to be ashamed about if you choose this player.
They all share similar technology at different levels.

I hope this helps.

Regards.

I hope this helps.

Okay so it seems if we have a budget of about $1,000.00, then for audio first and video second, then these are the best choices from first to last
1. Onkyo DV-sp1000
2. Parasound Halo D3
3. Parasound - Pacd200
4. Nad - T585
5. Oppo 980

Please correct me if I am off.
post #22 of 159
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Originally Posted by davidimdpt View Post

Okay so it seems if we have a budget of about $1,000.00, then for audio first and video second, then these are the best choices from first to last
1. Onkyo DV-sp1000
2. Parasound Halo D3
3. Parasound - Pacd200
4. Nad - T585
5. Oppo 980

Please correct me if I am off.

Only for use with analog outputs.
post #23 of 159
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Only for use with analog outputs.

and what about digital?
post #24 of 159
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Originally Posted by rodH View Post

and what about digital?

+1
I have everything through HDMI at this point
post #25 of 159
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidimdpt View Post

+1
I have everything through HDMI at this point

Actually, I guess for me, digital doesn't even matter, my Mc pre/pro will probably have a decent DAC. I guess the hot topin on the forum is if all CD players sound the same using a digital signal.
post #26 of 159
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Originally Posted by davidimdpt View Post

+1
I have everything through HDMI at this point

So if HDMI is not that important, and the budget is $1000, the choice is obviously......the Marantz SA8001!

Hello again "rodH"

Are we making this harder than it needs to be!?!

The Parasounds and the NAD models can be had on the cheap, well over 50% off the list. That makes them the logical choice! But if you don't need hdmi and you want to be able to keep your McIntosh as a relevant part of your system, then go with the Marantz and get it over with! Plus it to utilizes the DSD technology, so you don't lose your quality when listening to SACD's in 2 channel over toslink or coax digital connection. The only down side, if you want to consider it as such, is that 5.1 connectivity is not part of it's feature set.

http://us.marantz.com/Products/1644.asp
http://us.marantz.com/stereophile.09...ntz.SA8001.pdf

Now, when you look at the specs of the Marantz, DSD is not shown in the initial description. You have to go into the specs page and you will see it listed in the format playback section. I guess Marantz felt it wasn't something to brag about, as if it's a no-brainer to have this feature!

Did I just make this more confusing?!

Regards.
post #27 of 159
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

So if HDMI is not that important, and the budget is $1000, the choice is obviously......the Marantz SA8001!

Hello again "rodH"

Are we making this harder than it needs to be!?!

The Parasounds and the NAD models can be had on the cheap, well over 50% off the list. That makes them the logical choice! But if you don't need hdmi and you want to be able to keep your McIntosh as a relevant part of your system, then go with the Marantz and get it over with! Plus it to utilizes the DSD technology, so you don't lose your quality when listening to SACD's in 2 channel over toslink or coax digital connection. The only down side, if you want to consider it as such, is that 5.1 connectivity is not part of it's feature set.

http://us.marantz.com/Products/1644.asp
http://us.marantz.com/stereophile.09...ntz.SA8001.pdf

Now, when you look at the specs of the Marantz, DSD is not shown in the initial description. You have to go into the specs page and you will see it listed in the format playback section. I guess Marantz felt it wasn't something to brag about, as if it's a no-brainer to have this feature!

Did I just make this more confusing?!

Regards.

so wait, when listening to the other players, I am NOT using DSD? but it is being converted via the digital converter?

I thought the best way to use SACD (and dvd-a) is to hook it up via analog, so you never lose the resolution (the signal resolution isn't being limited based on what the DAC can handle, it is just passing the analog signal straight through the processor. Is this NOT how the other players listed work?).

If not, what players pass a true DSD signal and is that analog or digital?
post #28 of 159
Make sure you are sitting down before you click this link!

http://us.marantz.com/Products/1947.asp

Back to reality, I just bought a used oppo 981 and have my first SACDs on the way. Looking forward to listening to them.

That SA8001 looks like a nice choice for you though.....

http://us.marantz.com/Products/1644.asp
post #29 of 159
Thread Starter 
here is what the parasound says, but not sure exactly what this means:

"SACD goes directly to audio DACs as a DSD bit stream "

and

"and SACD DSD bit streams are sent directly to the audio DAC's, eliminating intermediate conversion that can be detrimental to audio fidelity"
post #30 of 159
I apologize for the error. DSD can only be achieved via analog connection. But all the players we've mention give you the choice of how you want listen to your music.
http://www.dsdproaudio.com/html/dsd_sacd_explained.html
Again, I apologize for the error.
I'll tell you what though, I wish I was in a position to purchase one of these players myself. I envy you! This topic makes me want to drop kick my Denon 2910!

Regards
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