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post #31 of 211
5/28/08 at 11:14am
Unfortunaly, due to space and resource contraints, my system must serve both purposes with audio taking the front seat.

So for many folks, I imagine the better dacs, power supply, etc... of the Denon 1800 is worth the extra $300 over, say the PS3.
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post #32 of 211
5/28/08 at 11:26am
If audio is a must then I would agree. Of course I would get a dedicated player for CDs then get another for blu ray but that's just me.
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post #33 of 211
5/28/08 at 12:52pm
Well same here, but I'm just saying.

I just see a lot of dismisal based on price but if one considers the analog playback capabilities, the price is very fair.
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post #34 of 211
5/28/08 at 2:20pm
From what it looks like, this player doesn't even have a multichannel analog output. It does have a two-channel analog output. It also seems to be lacking Denon's AL24 processing, which they use on their higher-end players and AVRs for improving SNR and dynamic range performance with sources like CDs.
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post #35 of 211
5/28/08 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

From what it looks like, this player doesn't even have a multichannel analog output. It does have a two-channel analog output. It also seems to be lacking Denon's AL24 processing

yeah, most-likely no AL24 processing (and obviously no Realta), and no 7.1ch OUT's. Sounds like it will have a more "conventional" CD player arrangement (name-brand DAC's, separate power-supplies for video and audio, etc.,...), enough to provide good quality playback. However I would rather wait and see the product-sheet to get actual detailed specs once it is released before we start "over-speculating".
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post #36 of 211
5/29/08 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I'll double-down on Joe's bet: BD50.

how can this be a bd50 when it is ONLY profile 1.1??? isn't the bd50 a profile 2.0 player????????????? i'm guessing it's a bd30 in denon clothing...
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post #37 of 211
5/29/08 at 12:54pm
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how can this be a bd50 when it is ONLY profile 1.1??? isn't the bd50 a profile 2.0 player????????????? i'm guessing it's a bd30 in denon clothing...

+1. Especially since there's only 2 channel analog. The BD50 has the better decoding and analog internals vs the BD30.
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post #38 of 211
5/29/08 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

+1. Especially since there's only 2 channel analog. The BD50 has the better decoding and analog internals vs the BD30.

Not to mention the MSRP of the Denon would only be $50 more than the MSRP of the Panny BD50. Definitely not a rebadged BD50!
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post #39 of 211
5/29/08 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by shiznit View Post

how can this be a bd50 when it is ONLY profile 1.1??? isn't the bd50 a profile 2.0 player????????????? i'm guessing it's a bd30 in denon clothing...

Good point there.
However, the Denon 2500 is said to be the BD30 knock off.
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post #40 of 211
5/29/08 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Good point there.
However, the Denon 2500 is said to be the BD30 knock off.

That makes a lot more sense since the Denon margin would now be more like $500?
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post #41 of 211
5/29/08 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Not to mention the MSRP of the Denon would only be $50 more than the MSRP of the Panny BD50. Definitely not a rebadged BD50!


I'm with the folks who think it's a rebadged Magnavox/Sylvania (Funai). The front panel layout and overall physical dimensions are very similar.
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post #42 of 211
6/2/08 at 11:25am
I have the Denon 2500. I looked at the panny bd30 and the new samsung 1500 both look ok. TO me the denon is much better built. I did learn one thing Onkyo and Denon are the same company. GO in and read Denon history . I paired this player with the Denon 3808 AV receiver . Both work great. The receiver was a pain in the butt to setup. I had the Onkyo 705 and it was alot easyer in many ways.Now on the 2500BTCI it is a Transport very easy to set up.If you have a new receiver this is the way to go.I do like the etherport on the 3808ci there is not one on the 2500BTCI and that is a same make update alot easyer.
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post #43 of 211
6/2/08 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by jappleboy View Post

I did learn one thing Onkyo and Denon are the same company. GO in and read Denon history .

I read both the Denon history and Onkyo history and they are different. You are confusing Japan Denki Onyko (Denon) with Osaka Denki Onkyo (Onkyo).

Denon started out in 1910 whereas Onkyo started out in 1946.
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post #44 of 211
6/2/08 at 6:46pm
interesting that there is just a 2-channel analogue out with high quality DACs. I wonder if that's to signal the support of high-rez 2-ch BD audio releases that are starting to trickle out. Maybe even be able to support Profile 3.0 when available???
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post #45 of 211
6/2/08 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by Michael Osadciw View Post

I wonder if that's to signal the support of high-rez 2-ch BD audio releases that are starting to trickle out

so have you seen any (new) 2-chan hi-rez BD music releases? If so where?
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post #46 of 211
6/2/08 at 11:44pm
^I believe the Celine Dion BD has a 2ch. LPCM track.
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post #47 of 211
6/3/08 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by Michael Osadciw View Post

interesting that there is just a 2-channel analogue out with high quality DACs. I wonder if that's to signal the support of high-rez 2-ch BD audio releases that are starting to trickle out. Maybe even be able to support Profile 3.0 when available???

My understanding is that all BD players should be able to play Profile 3.0 music-only BD discs regardless of it's own profile. I would imagine most of these BD's will be surround but most will have at least a high resolution 2 channel track like PCM at 24/96. I personally would not buy any BD player without 7.1 analog outs as I have older equipment.

Here is some early news:

http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...-blu-ray-audio
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post #48 of 211
7/22/08 at 11:42am
DVD-1800BD Specs from Denon.

Oct-Nov 2008 release date

$749.00 MSRP

Blu-ray/DVD/CD player • BD Profile 1.1 • Picture in Picture support via Secondary Video and Audio circuitry • Standard DVD Processing and Scaling up to 1080p • 3:2/2:2 Pull-down • HDMI 1.3a Output with Deep Color support • DivX ver. 6 support • 1080p/24fps output capable • SD Card slot for Downloaded Web content • Bit Stream Bypass to HDMI for Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD output • Playback of CD-R/RW and DVD-R/RW • WMA, MP3 Decoders • Kodak and Fuji Picture Disc compatible • jpeg Slide Show viewer • 1 each Composite, Component and S-Video outputs • Coaxial Digital Audio output • 2 Channel analog output featuring Burr-Brown DACs • Remote Control
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post #49 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Natale View Post

DVD-1800BD Specs from Denon.

Oct-Nov 2008 release date

$1,499.00 MSRP

Audio/Video Reference Progressive Scan DVD Audio/Video/Super Audio CD Player World's First Consumer Product with the Realta T2 HQVTM by Teranex Decoding Engine Dual Discrete Video Circuitry (DDVC) Dual Analog Devices ADV-7324 14-bit, 4:4:4, 216-MHz video D/A conversion featuring Noise Shaped VideoTM True 10-bit video processing and scaling World's First DVD Player with DVDO-HD Scaling DVI-D (HDCP) and HDMI outputs with selectable scaling (480p/720p/1080i/1080p - HDMI only for 1080p) and simultaneous output All video outputs live, including Progressive Component (480p), Composite/S-Video (480i) and Scaled DVI-D and HDMI BNC and RCA Component Video Outputs Denon Picture Image Correction Circuitry (DPIC) Full Digital Bass Management, featuring dual Analog Devices Melody 100 SHARCTM processors with variable high and low pass crossovers Burr Brown PCM-1792 24/192 DACs for all channels Advanced AL24 Plus Processing HDCD decoding Denon Link 3rd IEEE-1394 ports (2) for PCM and DSD Full Backlit remote RS-232C port for third-party controllers Serial IR ports

I'm not clear, is this a Blu-Ray player or a new Universal DVD Player?
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post #50 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:05pm
Looks like the Pioneer folks have a new choice... Looks killer compared to the Pioneers..
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post #51 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:05pm
No way...where are these specs from?
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post #52 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:07pm
It is a Blu Ray.

From Denon directly.

I wouldnt lie to you guys!
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post #53 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Looks like the Pioneer folks have a new choice... Looks killer compared to the Pioneers..

Except for the source direct and 480i output over HDMI, yes, definately. I'd trade them for DVD-A/SACD playback maybe.
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post #54 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Natale View Post

It is a Blu Ray.

From Denon directly.

I wouldnt lie to you guys!

Not to be redundant, but I want to be sure that essentially what we are talking about here is a Universal Blu-Ray player. Is that correct? If so, I know what I want for Christmas.
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post #55 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:12pm
I couldnt make this up if I wanted too. The BD on the end means Blu Ray.

It makes sense to postion this player between the 2500 and the 3800.
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post #56 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:13pm
IDK.....Are you sure about the model number?
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post #57 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:14pm
That spec looks more like the 5910 (e.g. DVD-D and HDMI?) what's the source of this spec? I thought this was a budget BD - DVD-Audio & SACD??
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post #58 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:15pm
I am sure.

I am trying to get them to give me the profile of the player I will keep you posted.
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post #59 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:18pm
I called and asked our rep 2 times he assured me...
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post #60 of 211
7/22/08 at 12:19pm
The spec must be wrong. Apart from anything else the it can't be the 1st consumer prod to use the SO T2. The 3930 uses that. Plus only 216MHz VDACs for a BD player? Etc., etc.
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