Runco Video Xtreme VX-22i projector?

i think it might be a christie at the board level.

Runco/planar make it!

Oh ye of little faith!

Gordon

P.S. Have you actually seen it?

That lumens number of 2850 isnt the calibrated lumens.

Runcos calibrated figure is 1391, thats D65 with minimum 150hrs on the lamp.

You are joking arent you?Its enough to put 22fL on a 14ft 235 screen@1.3 gain. Its also tested with a min of 150hrs so its the equivalent of a good bit more. That will be fairly close to that of an HT5k at those hours.

Im also willing to stake my life that it wouldn't be done for under $10k. When you get into large sizes the glass quality needs to be at a level that just wouldn't allow that. Not only that, you still just be looking at a bright version of an RS1/2 with the crazy color, soft image, low ANSI,halos and the uniformity issues etc etc. It would have the CR advantage, but that wont be an issue for very long.

The simple litmus test is that if they could have, they would have.

Many of us here have seen and worked with very bright 4K lc based machines and they're not good at all. That may change at some point.

Are their contrast numbers also optimistic? My sister was just quoted for the VX22d at full retail ($62k or so) for a theater she's building and I told her I think there are better options like the 5000 out there in that range. Haven't seen one though...

I've not seen it either, but the Runcos I have seen were all under performers for the price. Their service and reliability is supposed to be great.

Even assuming their numbers are all genuine ( and no ones ever is) the 5k would be my choice in the $60k zone.

I saw both the Sim2 C3x1080 and the Runco VX22d in a side by side comparison on a 120" 2.35:1 screen. I thought that it wasn't even close. The Sim2 simply beat the pants off of the Runco in every way. The Sim2 also has a much lower retail price.

Seems like a real installer favorite in some of the higher end theaters in part for the name and reliability. The surround, pro, screen, wiring and home automation ancillaries add up to around 400 without any theater buildout. Fort those kind of sheckels I'd expect best in class everything to be spec'd.

Thanks Jeffmac. That's what I was looking for and expected.

Likewise, on both counts.

I saw a VX 22I when I was on a HVAC job on thursday. It was in a almost finished theater. Very distinctivly Runco but it is the size and weight of a industrial digital.

Chip

I have put one of these in recently. It is very bright. You can see the actual photos on my website . These photos demonstrate that with the windows open on 3 sides, with the lights on, at 2PM in the afternoon. The Runco VX22i projector delivers a very watchable picture on a 95 inch wide 2:35 screen. http://hifidoc.com/ferrari.html

I don't know what you were looking at but I have seen very few projectors that outperform the Runco if they are properly calibrated. Runco did not become what they are by advertising. They earned it by performing. There is a reason why so many Video Magazines use Runco as a reference piece. Good Video processing beats high light output every day. One the other hand if you have not taken the Imaging Science Foundation course, you really should. I have been in the Biz now for 30 years, but for the first 15 years of my experience I made bad pictures for my customers. I thought I knew what looked good but I did not. It was guys like Joe Kane and Joel Silver that really taught me how to look at film and then video. If you can't afford to go to the ISF week long school, then buy a copy of Video Essentials (or AVIA) and watch it. It will at least give you a basis for examination. Then you will truly know how to evaluate a picture.

While Runco is wise enough to not re-invent the wheel. My guys and I have actually been to the factory where they are built. They have a great well organized operation. So Buy Runco because they are at the top of the food chain in picture quality (assuming professional install and ISF calibration) and buy Runco because they are American Made.

Runco is possibly the only company that prints "RealWorld" specs on their displays. With Runco you always get what you are promised and a little more. Instalation it critcal though. I recently saw a theater in Houston that was in the 200K class where the projector was connected up at 480i via component video. The Non ISF installers who had an impressive storefront, either did not know the difference or just lacked the proper cables to set this up for HD. It took me 15minutes to add the right adaptors at the input level to bring this up to spec. The customer told me the other guys had come back 5 other times but had never noticed or fixed the problem. He was now properly impressed with the projector that he had owned for nearly 2 years but had never seen an HD picture. Instalation matters. Make sure your installers are ISF certifed. If you don't see them with at least a Kodak Blue Filter, you are not getting a good calibration. Full Imaging Science Foundation calibraton (about 6 hours) requires a computer and a color analyzer. Don't settle for less.
PS Runco is Built right here in the USA. We need the money. Buy American when you can. PSS: couple that with an SI black Diamond Screen built in Texas and you will have a real winner

I will say one word about Runco projectors...reliable.

The local dealer has one on everyday for 8 hours and it never overheats...I don't how the Sim2 products or other manufactures would do under these conditions.


Somebody asked for light Canons:

http://www.nec-display.com/ap/en_pro...ema/index.html

JC

Your views seem rather simplistic to me.

RUnco made their name by delivering a good consistent product to a strong dealer network. and they stood behind their product.

Runco is not the best. certainly not the best dollar for dollar. runco is however a good turnkey package that allows minimal need for calibration after installation.

THere are (and always have been) many great products that allowed extremely good performance. some of them however needed more calibration work to get them to shine to their maximum. and in many cases, the cost of the proj + the calibration would have been less than the equiv Runco.

As well, Runco's "look" with the black case, and then neat backlit logo counted. Not saying that those made them better, but that it helped as a part of the overall package by positioning it as a HT box much more. magazines use them in many cases as reference pieces because of sponsorship AND the fact that not as much work was needed to get them to the peak of performance.

But maqke no mistake, the greatest aspect of runco performance was Sam. and the relationships and culture he built.

Fixed.

To be fair though Curt... they do make very nice boxes that throw very nice images.

Just not the best that there is.

No, I know that. I also talk to Runco dealers who say that things ain't quite the same since the sale to Planar. But I won't say anything here, I don't to get threatened again..

This projector is the sibling of the HT5000 as they are both built with very similar technologies by DELTA. And I must add that it shows if one has a greenish overcast the other has a cepia overcast.

The 22d is 45k and not 60k. It is approx 60k with the anamorphic lens.
Ken

Has Runco announced any new projectors?