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post #31 of 172
^^ Correct I have silver and black on order. I think we may see these players sooner than expected as Onkyo just began taking orders from direct authorized dealers and made a pdf data sheet available.

-Robert
post #32 of 172
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

^^ Correct I have silver and black on order. I think we may see these players sooner than expected as Onkyo just began taking orders from direct authorized dealers and made a pdf data sheet available.

-Robert

Could you link that PDF Robert? Very interested.
post #33 of 172
^^ I'm at NYU in NYC with some of my custom install techs so I do not have good Internet access available as I am using the building managers Mac and need to get off line quickly. It's on my BD player page so please go there to download the pdf.

Tomorrow I'll call Onkyo and find out when they expect to begin shipping.

-Robert
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post #35 of 172
^^ No pdf or ship date. The pdf is on my site with more tech spec's. Looks like this BD transport will decode DTS MA internally.

-Robert
post #36 of 172
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

^^ No pdf or ship date. The pdf is on my site with more tech spec's. Looks like this BD transport will decode DTS MA internally.

-Robert

No, just bitstream support. Very disappointing given the $600 price. I expected more from Onkyo.
post #37 of 172
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No, just bitstream support. Very disappointing given the $600 price. I expected more from Onkyo.

Funny, people cried foul for so long that the PS3 could only Decode and not bitstream DTS-HD MA....

NOW the uproar is that the player can't decode it!
post #38 of 172
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No, just bitstream support. Very disappointing given the $600 price. I expected more from Onkyo.

You are correct, my bad. I just got home after a very long day of pulling cables through a 21 story NYC building with my crew of a/v techs and finally read the pdf and confirmed this player only Bitstream passes DTS MA.

Looks like we're gong to have to upgrade our AVRs, or wait for Pioneer to finish the firmware upgrade to internally decode DTS MA or cough up the big bucks for a $2k BD transport.

I think waiting or upgrading our AVRs are our best bet.

-Robert
post #39 of 172
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

You are correct, my bad. I just got home after a very long day of pulling cables through a 21 story NYC building with my crew of a/v techs and finally read the pdf and confirmed this player only Bitstream passes DTS MA.

Looks like we're gong to have to upgrade our AVRs, or wait for Pioneer to finish the firmware upgrade to internally decode DTS MA or cough up the big bucks for a $2k BD transport.

I think waiting or upgrading our AVRs are our best bet.

-Robert


Robert,

Can you let Onkyo know that must of us consider their Blu-ray offering very disappointing. C'mon, $600 for a Funai re-bag when $400 you can buy a Panasonic or Sony that does everything. They should be embarrassed
post #40 of 172
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

Robert,

Can you let Onkyo know that must of us consider their Blu-ray offering very disappointing. C'mon, $600 for a Funai re-bag when $400 you can buy a Panasonic or Sony that does everything. They should be embarrassed


Agreed!
post #41 of 172
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

You are correct, my bad. I just got home after a very long day of pulling cables through a 21 story NYC building with my crew of a/v techs and finally read the pdf and confirmed this player only Bitstream passes DTS MA.

Looks like we're gong to have to upgrade our AVRs, or wait for Pioneer to finish the firmware upgrade to internally decode DTS MA or cough up the big bucks for a $2k BD transport.

I think waiting or upgrading our AVRs are our best bet.

-Robert

Pana BD50 internally decodes, as will the BD55.
post #42 of 172
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

Robert,

Can you let Onkyo know that must of us consider their Blu-ray offering very disappointing. C'mon, $600 for a Funai re-bag when $400 you can buy a Panasonic or Sony that does everything. They should be embarrassed

A hearty +1!!!

Unless this BD606 have some unreal video performance (e.g. Oppo-like SD upconversion), I can't see how anyone would fork over this kind of cash for this feature set...

Where's the SACD/DVD-A support? Where's the 2.0? Where's anything "special" to justify $200 more than the Sony/Panny pieces just releasing?

This is totally disappointing for an Onkyo fan and 875 owner.
post #43 of 172
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http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/27...tober-release/

does this mean, there are 2 different models to follow?
post #44 of 172
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

Robert,

Can you let Onkyo know that must of us consider their Blu-ray offering very disappointing. C'mon, $600 for a Funai re-bag when $400 you can buy a Panasonic or Sony that does everything. They should be embarrassed

Calm down. Where did you get the whole "Funai Rebadge" thing anyway? The player is based on the Panasonic BD-50 or BD-55 with better software. Considering Panasonic has good hardware wrapped in a plastic, cheap looking junkbox, this player is a lot more solid.

The price is a suggested retail price. You'll find Robert selling this one cheaper already.
post #45 of 172
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http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/27...tober-release/

does this mean, there are 2 different models to follow?

No, just one, there's another one out there called the Integra DBS-6.9
post #46 of 172
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Calm down. Where did you get the whole "Funai Rebadge" thing anyway? The player is based on the Panasonic BD-50 or BD-55 with better software. Considering Panasonic has good hardware wrapped in a plastic, cheap looking junkbox, this player is a lot more solid.

The price is a suggested retail price. You'll find Robert selling this one cheaper already.

Compare it to Funai other players (Magnabox, Phillips, etc...) front, back and features and you let me know what you think. Where did you get it was Panasonic based?
post #47 of 172
The Integra DBS-6.9 has virtually the same layout as Funai models and the Philips BDP7200. It doesn't even have 5.1 analogue outputs like the BDP7200 but it does have an optical out which is more than the Sylvania / Magnavox.

So probably it falls somewhere between the two. Consdering you can buy a BDP7200 for HALF the price, and other models or a THIRD I suggest that this not good value for money.
post #48 of 172
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Originally Posted by MitchR View Post

Calm down. Where did you get the whole "Funai Rebadge" thing anyway? The player is based on the Panasonic BD-50 or BD-55 with better software. Considering Panasonic has good hardware wrapped in a plastic, cheap looking junkbox, this player is a lot more solid.

Any documentation on the "better software" than Panny?

Considering the bevy of features on the Panny, there's got to be some reason more than a "solid" box to spend the extra $$.

Any help here?
post #49 of 172
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Originally Posted by allredp View Post

Considering the bevy of features on the Panny, there's got to be some reason more than a "solid" box to spend the extra $$.

That more "solid" box also doesn't say "Panasonic" or "Sony" on the front. For some people that's worth a hundred bucks right there!
post #50 of 172
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Originally Posted by Brent Hutto View Post

That more "solid" box also doesn't say "Panasonic" or "Sony" on the front. For some people that's worth a hundred bucks right there!

Nice one!

Still, I don't have $$ to throw at all my politcal proclivities, so I'm looking for real performance advantages ...
post #51 of 172
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Originally Posted by DrXym View Post

The Integra DBS-6.9 has virtually the same layout as Funai models and the Philips BDP7200. It doesn't even have 5.1 analogue outputs like the BDP7200 but it does have an optical out which is more than the Sylvania / Magnavox.

So probably it falls somewhere between the two. Consdering you can buy a BDP7200 for HALF the price, and other models or a THIRD I suggest that this not good value for money.

What I hate the most is the deception. They take the electronics of the cheaper player and enclose it with a frame made of higher grade plastic or metal to give the impression of better build quality thus justifying the higher asking price. Of course a lot of people fall into this trap.

At least Denon (DVD-1800D) is trying to justify the cost by adding better DACs (just for the fronts) but I still think is overprice.

I don't mind the price. Just give me something to justify the price other than "it matches our current receiver line". Give me fast loading time, significant picture/sound improvement, convenient features, etc....

I expected more Onkyo/Denon/Yamaha but what can we do No more complaining I promise
post #52 of 172
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Originally Posted by allredp View Post

Nice one!

Still, I don't have $$ to throw at all my politcal proclivities, so I'm looking for real performance advantages ...

You won't find it here nor with Denon or Yamaha. Buy the Panasonic BD35 (or BD55 if you need analog out). The Sony S550 looks like goods too. That is where you will find the best value for your money IMHO.
post #53 of 172
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

You won't find it here nor with Denon or Yamaha. Buy the Panasonic BD35 (or BD55 if you need analog out). The Sony S550 looks like goods too. That is where you will find the best value for your money IMHO.

Well said, I've got the Panny 35 on pre-order through Amazon--hoping for it to drop even more before shipping (currently $299). It has great reviews, btw.

Even so, I've been hoping (apparently in vain) for an Onkyo player that would out-do their competition like their AVR's do...

Now, of course, maybe there will be a review of the BD606 soon that will blow our socks off; if so, I take back everything I've said!

I'd love to be wrong on this one.
post #54 of 172
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Originally Posted by rveras View Post

Compare it to Funai other players (Magnabox, Phillips, etc...) front, back and features and you let me know what you think. Where did you get it was Panasonic based?

Because I was told by a Denon rep. that the Denon 1800 and Marantz 7003 are Panasonic Based. The Onkyo shares the same chassis and hardware. They're different softwarewise with probably some tweaks to the interior. I have no info on which DAC's the Onkyo uses so I can't comment on that.
post #55 of 172
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Originally Posted by DrXym View Post

The Integra DBS-6.9 has virtually the same layout as Funai models and the Philips BDP7200. It doesn't even have 5.1 analogue outputs like the BDP7200 but it does have an optical out which is more than the Sylvania / Magnavox.

So probably it falls somewhere between the two. Consdering you can buy a BDP7200 for HALF the price, and other models or a THIRD I suggest that this not good value for money.

Maybe that's because the Funai/Magnafox/Philips etc. players are not self made either
post #56 of 172
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Originally Posted by MitchR View Post

Because I was told by a Denon rep. that the Denon 1800 and Marantz 7003 are Panasonic Based. The Onkyo shares the same chassis and hardware. They're different softwarewise with probably some tweaks to the interior. I have no info on which DAC's the Onkyo uses so I can't comment on that.

Remember that the Funai BD players are also "Panasonic based" since they are using the Panasonic Uniphier BD chipset and Funai licensed their BD design from Panasonic. That doesn't necessarily mean the player itself is made by Panasonic, just that its using the core electronics from Panasonic. Funai is reportedly using the Sony optical pickup in the Magnavox, Sylvania, Insignia and Philips BD players. Also remember that Funai makes a lot of DVD players as an OEM supplier including several of the Denon models that are a lot higher quality than the low cost brands they also supply. So they are not limited to only making the low end units.
post #57 of 172
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Remember that the Funai BD players are also "Panasonic based" since they are using the Panasonic Uniphier BD chipset and Funai licensed their BD design from Panasonic. That doesn't necessarily mean the player itself is made by Panasonic, just that its using the core electronics from Panasonic. Funai is reportedly using the Sony optical pickup in the Magnavox, Sylvania, Insignia and Philips BD players. Also remember that Funai makes a lot of DVD players as an OEM supplier including several of the Denon models that are a lot higher quality than the low cost brands they also supply. So they are not limited to only making the low end units.

That's what I've been saying

Hardware should be mostly the same with some interior tweaks and different software. If Onkyo played the card right, it should be an improvement over the Panasonic. I guess that's what the reviews have to point out.
post #58 of 172
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

^^ Correct I have silver and black on order. I think we may see these players sooner than expected as Onkyo just began taking orders from direct authorized dealers and made a pdf data sheet available.

-Robert

I just went to the onkyousa.com page and looks like it will no be availale in silver. Their catalog also says that it will be black. Please correct me if I am wrong.
post #59 of 172
^^ Thanks, I'll check tomorrow, correct my post and adjust my order to increase black if Onkyo is not producing silver.

-Robert
post #60 of 172
Onkyo DV-BD606 is available for purchase - I created a PDF with more info on it.

Email me if you want to review info on the product...

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