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No gaming on plasma? then no sports on plasma either?

post #1 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:01pm
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I don´t understand this, people say plasma it´s not good for gaming...because the HUD, then you shouldn't get a plasma at all because most movies has black bars, almost every channel has fixed logo and every sports game has fix scoreboards.

Movies last for 2hs, sports games last for 3hs... game... well avg gamers play around 2hs to 3hs occasionally 4hs.

they are all basically the same.

I understand TV have commercials, but games have cutscenes too, or loading screens as well.

could someone explain why people still says if you want to game, don´t go plasma??

by the way i just got my plasma yesterday, i´m running the break in dvd at the moment... only 10hs or so.. 90hs left until i can play some game or watch some sports or even watch some movie... you get the idea.
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post #2 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:09pm
bc alot of people are still misinformed, and think lcd is god. a calibrated plasma will kill any lcd.
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post #3 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:17pm
Yeah Plasmas are bad for watching sports and playing video games.......if you bought one in 2004. From what I've read so far, plasmas from 2007 and present have almost no chance of getting burn in if they are use properly and not abused. You can't obviously leave a paused screen on there for 10 straight hours, but you don't have to worry about burn in.

I don't get the bashing one or the other just based on misconceptions and myths. LCD's are good for things that Plasmas can't and vice versa. But plasmas just have better PQ than LCD's.
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post #4 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:18pm
I've been playing games and letterboxed movies on my Panny since I brought it home and haven't seen any IR or burn-in. Don't worry about it.
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post #5 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:22pm
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well, this is good news, because so far the only "problem" i could find to plasma is the IR/BI issue.

I tried a couple of Blue rays and a few games, just a few min and they are AWESOME!... i really love the black level on this tv.

Then i realize about how people say plasma is no good for gaming, then i started wondering, what about sports? just watch a baseball game, 3hs with scoreboard on it.. what about movies with their letterbox most movies have letterbox ... or even a simple tv show with their logo on it. it didn´t make sense.

i´m still running the break in dvd just for precaution at least until i reach the 100hs marks. but i´ll play a bit in the mean time just a few min.. i can´t hold myself.
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post #6 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:25pm
Burn In is pretty much a non-issue now and image retention is greatly reduced with some simple common sense.

Uneven phospher wear due to non 16x9 movies is another issue though.....
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post #7 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:40pm
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Originally Posted by Pineapple View Post

Burn In is pretty much a non-issue now and image retention is greatly reduced with some simple common sense.

Uneven phospher wear due to non 16x9 movies is another issue though.....

how long that it takes to get uneven phospher? it doesn´t bothering much because i´ll be watching all kind of AR on my tv.. being 16:9 full the most used AR.

but still wondering how long does it takes to get uneven phospher?
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post #8 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:40pm
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Originally Posted by booker21 View Post

well, this is good news, because so far the only "problem" i could find to plasma is the IR/BI issue.

I tried a couple of Blue rays and a few games, just a few min and they are AWESOME!... i really love the black level on this tv.

Then i realize about how people say plasma is no good for gaming, then i started wondering, what about sports? just watch a baseball game, 3hs with scoreboard on it.. what about movies with their letterbox most movies have letterbox ... or even a simple tv show with their logo on it. it didn´t make sense.

i´m still running the break in dvd just for precaution at least until i reach the 100hs marks. but i´ll play a bit in the mean time just a few min.. i can´t hold myself.

Like someone else said, people are still mis-informed. 90% of the people that say not to game on a plasma, probably don't play video games. They probably think games are still like Pong or something, with a bunch of static images.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of games have static images, but like you said, theres are cutscenes, loading screens, etc. And even with the games with static images, alot of games that display health bars will make the health bar disappear after a few seconds if you haven't been hit.....

So yea, plasma is safe to game on
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post #9 of 27
5/25/08 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by booker21 View Post

I don´t understand this, people say plasma it´s not good for gaming...because the HUD, then you shouldn't get a plasma at all because most movies has black bars, almost every channel has fixed logo and every sports game has fix scoreboards.

Movies last for 2hs, sports games last for 3hs... game... well avg gamers play around 2hs to 3hs occasionally 4hs.

they are all basically the same.

I understand TV have commercials, but games have cutscenes too, or loading screens as well.

could someone explain why people still says if you want to game, don´t go plasma??

by the way i just got my plasma yesterday, i´m running the break in dvd at the moment... only 10hs or so.. 90hs left until i can play some game or watch some sports or even watch some movie... you get the idea.

I was gaming in the first 10 hours. No problems whatsoever.

DONT WORRY ABOUT BURN IN. As long as you dont have something on screen for like 10 hours, you shouldnt get burn in. Sports, games, everything has breaks from static images.
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post #10 of 27
5/26/08 at 8:32am
my opinion-don't worry about it at all. i set up my panny th-50pz85u about a week ago now, ran the hdscapes bluray disc from amazon for about 100-120 hours or so, and haven't looked back. i watched game 1 of the stanley cup finals on vs, some playoff basketball, and played a whole crapload (i'm talking 3-4 hours a night) of gtaIV on 360, plus some cod4 and halo3. i haven't had any image retention whatsoever, and i'm not worried about it at this point. if i know i'm stepping away from the system or the game for awhile, i'll turn the tv off. during the course of normal sport watching/game playing, the screen invariably changes as mentioned (commercials, cutscenes, pause screens, etc) and static logos rarely if ever remain up for more than 5-10 minutes at a time. i don't even really let the thought of ir enter my head. i just enjoy the heck out of the tv and try to use some common sense with it.
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post #11 of 27
5/26/08 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by pens2423 View Post

my opinion-don't worry about it at all. i set up my panny th-50pz85u about a week ago now, ran the hdscapes bluray disc from amazon for about 100-120 hours or so, and haven't looked back. i watched game 1 of the stanley cup finals on vs, some playoff basketball, and played a whole crapload (i'm talking 3-4 hours a night) of gtaIV on 360, plus some cod4 and halo3. i haven't had any image retention whatsoever, and i'm not worried about it at this point. if i know i'm stepping away from the system or the game for awhile, i'll turn the tv off. during the course of normal sport watching/game playing, the screen invariably changes as mentioned (commercials, cutscenes, pause screens, etc) and static logos rarely if ever remain up for more than 5-10 minutes at a time. i don't even really let the thought of ir enter my head. i just enjoy the heck out of the tv and try to use some common sense with it.

AMEN!

I´m only 15hs into the break in.. so i have some long time before playing games, but i can´t wait.
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post #12 of 27
5/26/08 at 1:46pm
oh yeah, i think i forgot to mention-everything looks INCREDIBLE on this tv! games, movies, sports, it all just wows me every time i fire it up. I noticed some of the green trails on cod4, but it wasn't nearly as distracting as everyone makes it out to be. didn't really bother me at all. gtaIV is incredibly detailed and rich. hockey is amazing as well-granted, vs hd's picture is too dark as always, but that's obviously not the tv's fault. so far, i am totally in love with this tv. gaming, sports, and movies are all outstanding on this plasma, and i'm sure on many other plasmas as well. Coming from a hd crt rptv, this is so much sharper and crisper while retaining outstanding black level performance.
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post #13 of 27
5/26/08 at 1:53pm
As far as I can tell... burn in is a joke!

I've had my Panasonic TH-42PZ77U since December '07. I calibrated it immediately, and never did any break in. I've done several gaming sessions on it that lasted from 4 to 5 hours. I've watched countless hours of TV with a large portion of that being sports. I've had my laptop hooked up to it watching youtube videos...

Never once have I ever noticed even the slightest bit of burn in or image retention!

I really wish this idea would die, because I think it is still scaring people away from plasma even though its a thing of the past!
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post #14 of 27
5/26/08 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by davidag02 View Post

I really wish this idea would die, because I think it is still scaring people away from plasma even though its a thing of the past!

Well, I HAVE seen burn-in on a 77U. It was a display model in BB. It had closed captioning on for who knows how long and when I turned it off, there was a shadow where the text had been. It didn't go away.

Sucked because it was the last one in the store and was an open box sale for a really good price. I probably would have bought it if not for the burn-in.

Haven't gotten any burn-in with my 80U, but I have gotten IR after having a static image up for a few minutes. Very subtle though and it goes away in less than 20 seconds of playing something new.
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post #15 of 27
5/26/08 at 2:04pm
I fell asleep last weekend on the couch watching a concert on my blu-ray player. To be honest, I can't remember if the blu-ray insignia was on the screen or if the concert menu was on the screen when I awoke.

Bottom line is I snapped out of a deep sleep at about 6:00am and whichever of the two was on the screen had been there idle for at least five to six hours burning in...

I absolutely panicked when I first woke up as I knew what had happened.

Quickly turned off the blu-ray player, looked at the screen and then turned on the TV to check...

Nothing. Zero. Zippo. Screen was fine.

Bottom line, I don't think there is anything to worry about with burn-in.

Rick
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post #16 of 27
5/26/08 at 2:55pm
Honestly, who really comes up with this stuff? This is utter nonsense. My 50 inch Phillips plasma is 3 years old, without burn-in. How many more years will I have to wait for this so called inevitable burn-in? If you want to sit directly in front of your LCD monitor for the best picture, be my guest. Don't sit off to the side though, or you will lose your picture. Enjoy your LCD. I'll enjoy my plasma.
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post #17 of 27
5/26/08 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Tazishere View Post

Honestly, who really comes up with this stuff? This is utter nonsense. My 50 inch Phillips plasma is 3 years old, without burn-in. How many more years will I have to wait for this so called inevitable burn-in? If you want to sit directly in front of your LCD monitor for the best picture, be my guest. Don't sit off to the side though, or you will lose your picture. Enjoy your LCD. I'll enjoy my plasma.

a lot of people say this actually. this is why i´m asking.. i mean, no games because the fixed hud, then no sports, no movies, no tv shows.. something doesn´t make sense.

this is why i posted.
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post #18 of 27
5/26/08 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by booker21 View Post

a lot of people say this actually. this is why i´m asking.. i mean, no games because the fixed hud, then no sports, no movies, no tv shows.. something doesn´t make sense.

this is why i posted.

Common sense: the anti burn in
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post #19 of 27
5/26/08 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by tank171 View Post

Common sense: the anti burn in

sorry, didn´t get that

anyways i just play 20 min of halo3. wow, it looks sooooooooo good. it´s almost like another game now.
i do understand why people care more about contrast than resolution it make the picture come alive even on very dark scenes.. amazing pq.. i love plasma now!

i´m officially converted!
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post #20 of 27
5/26/08 at 10:14pm
i work at cc and talk about doomasses! i had a guy that swore of plasmas because he heard from a friend that they catch on fire all the time cause they get too hot, my response (besides laughter and wanting beat him with a plama) " then how come the store hasnt burnt down?" someone else said he didnt want one because you had to refill the gas every year? thats some thing that i have never heard of? anyone care to elaborate?
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post #21 of 27
5/26/08 at 11:19pm
I read threads like these and I feel a little more confident about my plasma, but then all it takes is one person's bad experience to get me all paranoid about BI again.

In the " Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II" there is a post from a fellow member who's Pio developed IR after watching the NFL draft for 3-4 hours. Now I have no idea what his settings were, but he says that there were commercial breaks and he did change the channel a few times during the show. Now he has the "On The Clock" logo burned into his new Pioneer plasma for over three weeks. If IR/BI is a thing of the past, then why do I still see the occasional post like this?
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post #22 of 27
5/27/08 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by Darcy Hunter View Post

I read threads like these and I feel a little more confident about my plasma, but then all it takes is one person's bad experience to get me all paranoid about BI again.

In the " Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II" there is a post from a fellow member who's Pio developed IR after watching the NFL draft for 3-4 hours. Now I have no idea what his settings were, but he says that there were commercial breaks and he did change the channel a few times during the show. Now he has the "On The Clock" logo burned into his new Pioneer plasma for over three weeks. If IR/BI is a thing of the past, then why do I still see the occasional post like this?

my guess is because this still can happen. but it´s not normal to happened.

anyways on every forum i asked, 9 out of ten people had no issues playing videogames for hs, watching baseball or football on their tv. I won´t let that 1 only person turn me away from plasma.

just enjoy your tv.

do the initial break in perdio (100hs) and then enjoy the tv.
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post #23 of 27
5/27/08 at 8:38am
There are things to find out:
How old was the plasma before the draft?(how many hours of use)
What are his settings, obviously the more you have everything jacked up the better chance of IR/possible burn-in.
Did he use any wipe on his display after the draft to help the t.v. clear it off?
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post #24 of 27
5/27/08 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

There are things to find out:
How old was the plasma before the draft?(how many hours of use)
What are his settings, obviously the more you have everything jacked up the better chance of IR/possible burn-in.
Did he use any wipe on his display after the draft to help the t.v. clear it off?

i´m only 32hs into break in period. I´m using

50% contrast
53% brightness
50% sharpness
50% color

I´m on the safe zone yet?

I did some calibration with Avia and these are the "calibrated settings"

60% contrast
53% brightness
50 sharpness
55% color.

I still decided to use my 1st set, to be more on the safe zone.

I´m also using E.Saving on High, so this way the panel is less bright, i guess this will also help with IR.

Could someone give me an opinion on this?

I´m new to plasma so any help would be great

Thanks
Booker
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post #25 of 27
5/27/08 at 10:22am
I've put about 200 hours into Oblivion on my plasma, I have no burn-in from it. I played Halo 3 through when my plasma was less than a week old (3 missions a night in week one), IR faded after 30 minutes. Now when I play a game for 3 hours it takes less than 10 minutes to fade, a 2 hour black bar movie IR takes 20 minutes to fade. (note that I could never see it during normal content, only on a black screen in a dark room)

My plasma is a 42px75.
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post #26 of 27
5/27/08 at 11:16am
I never bothered with any break in period on my Pio 5080 and it's used on a daily basis for gaming, Haven't had any IR or burn in issues since I bought it in January.

I use the tv's Game video mode for my consoles which by default has relaxed contrast output but still looks great.
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post #27 of 27
5/27/08 at 11:58am
I gamed on an Panny 58PX600U and a Kuro 6010 and I haven't even seen IR. I've played games for no longer than 2 hours at a time and use my same settings as I do for TV and movies. At least for my habits, Hakuna Matata! No worries mahn .
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