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post #151 of 3738
7/6/08 at 1:25pm
I'm trying to rip an MKV/FLAC from a bluray disc. It only has a DTS-MA track, and non-english tracks.

When I run eac3to to create all the files, here's what I get:

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M2TS, 1 video track, 5 audio tracks, 1:41:28
1: Chapters, 25 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
4: AC3, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 448kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
5: AC3, French, 5.1 channels, 448kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
6: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 224kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
7: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 224kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
Creating file "v:chapters.txt"...
[a03] The Sonic decoder doesn't seem to work, will use libav instead.
[a03] The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[v02] Muxing video to Matroska...
[v02] Getting "Haali Matroska Muxer" instance failed.
[a03] Extracting DTS core...
[a03] Remapping channels...
Loading white noise (needed for dithering)...
[a03] Encoding FLAC...
[a03] Creating file "Simpsons.flac"...
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Any idea why I'm not able to decode the DTS-MA track? It looks like it's just defaulting to the core DTS track. Kind of defeats the only purpose of doing this over using the ISO, which is no down-rezzed sound.

I have TMT and Nero 8 installed on this computer.

Thanks in advance for any advice! (As you can see it's sill encoding, so I can't test anything yet, but it looks like it's not doing what I want it to do.)
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post #152 of 3738
7/6/08 at 2:25pm
Hi there!

I installed MeGUI to try and see if I could simplify my encode process (+ try your settings) ... but am having trouble getting started.

1) I installed it and updated all the modules.

2) Got undot and asharp and put the dlls in the AviSynth plugin folder

3) Started MeGUI and then changed all the settings (options-> settings) as indicated in post #3)

4) Started AviSynth Script Creator. The "Video Input" field was grayed and I could neither type nor drag and drop a file, so I clicked the button with the three dots "...", browsed to the mkv file I'd created and selected it.

At this point, the cpu usage goes to 100% (I have an Athlon X2 6000+ dual core) and MeGUI stops responding - it just hangs. The preview window does not come up (I searched all over!). After 5 minutes the only way to kill it is using the task manager (Task Manager reports MeGui as using up 99% of cpu).

So the AviSynth script does not even get created ... any idea of what I may be doing incorrectly?

Incidentally I tried this using an mkv file without audio and also one that was muxed - same problem

Thx!
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post #153 of 3738
7/6/08 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

I'm trying to rip an MKV/FLAC from a bluray disc. It only has a DTS-MA track, and non-english tracks.

When I run eac3to to create all the files, here's what I get:

Code:
M2TS, 1 video track, 5 audio tracks, 1:41:28
1: Chapters, 25 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
4: AC3, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 448kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
5: AC3, French, 5.1 channels, 448kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
6: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 224kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
7: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 224kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
Creating file "v:chapters.txt"...
[a03] The Sonic decoder doesn't seem to work, will use libav instead.
[a03] The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[v02] Muxing video to Matroska...
[v02] Getting "Haali Matroska Muxer" instance failed.
[a03] Extracting DTS core...
[a03] Remapping channels...
Loading white noise (needed for dithering)...
[a03] Encoding FLAC...
[a03] Creating file "Simpsons.flac"...
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Any idea why I'm not able to decode the DTS-MA track? It looks like it's just defaulting to the core DTS track. Kind of defeats the only purpose of doing this over using the ISO, which is no down-rezzed sound.

I have TMT and Nero 8 installed on this computer.

Thanks in advance for any advice! (As you can see it's sill encoding, so I can't test anything yet, but it looks like it's not doing what I want it to do.)

Are you sure you have the latest version (or at least a very up to date version)?

It should now be defaulting to the Arcsoft DTS decoder, yours seems not to be.
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post #154 of 3738
7/6/08 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by jong1 View Post

Are you sure you have the latest version (or at least a very up to date version)?

It should now be defaulting to the Arcsoft DTS decoder, yours seems not to be.

Thanks... I was running an old instance of it, the new instance is working great so far.

Although the old one crashed in the middle of the flac file, so hopefully this one will get through everything. No errors yet.
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post #155 of 3738
7/6/08 at 6:35pm
Sorry to sound like a noob, but I can't fuigure out how to do .evo to .mkv via eac3to GUI.

I'm using the GUI because I can't seem to get anywhere with regular eac3to/notepad. When I do the notepad instructions and doubleclick on eac3to, it just opens and immediately closes. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

I can get the GUI to merge the .evo's into the joined.evo, however I don't know how to edit in the "video.mkv" part when using GUI. Same thing goes with strippulldown. Maybe MKVMerge will solve my issue? HELP?
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post #156 of 3738
7/6/08 at 10:06pm
I have read through this thread once (must re-read at least once more), great work BTW, and I have seen TMT recommended as being .mkv capable. I am assuming TMT is standing for Total Media Center (by Arcsoft). I checked their file formats tab and it does not list this format. Is this an over site or omission on their part or is there an adjustment to TMT for .mkv support?
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post #157 of 3738
7/6/08 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by vairulez View Post

what player are you using for m2ts ?

Media Player Classic. Maybe, by chance, I installed something extraneous that would decode it in the M2TS container? I doubt it as I'm sure only a handful of programs/codecs would do it, and I'm willing to bet I don't have any of them installed.

Can anyone else verify what I'm experiencing? DTS-HD Master Audio decodes fine in M2TS but not in MKV?
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post #158 of 3738
7/7/08 at 2:58am
Thread Starter 
Sorry all been really busy lately!

Sanker,
Sounds like meGUI is looking for something that it can't find i.e. Splitter, codec etc. Do you have haali media splitter installed and codecs installed for the stream you want to decode? What title are you trying to convert? Make sure you have at the min one of each AVC/VC-1/MPEG 2 decoder and haali. Don't worry about the box being grayed, that is normal, you hve to do it with the "three dots".

afx,
When you play your m2ts file you are only getting the core stream anyway. The difference you are seeing is due to the way the files are parsed by your splitter. The mkv version is not sending the correct flags for the dts core stream so no filter is being imported into the graph. At the min ONLY sonics and arcsoft decoders are capable of decoding dts MA streams and even if you had them installed they would not default in MPC since haali doesn't know what a DTS MA stream is. They can be configured to work but its a real pain in the ass and I've never got them to decode anything more than 2 channel. Sorry dude but for ease i would just encode to flac, you still get the full unmolested stream.

Lostclusters,
Yes Arcsoft TMT does support mkv and flac audio as long as you have the madflac decoder installed. IMO it really quite good too.

AbMagFab,
With older versions of eac3to you needed the professional sonic decoders to get full decoding of dts MA streams and this was limited to 5.1. Seems jong1 has you sorted tho with the new build and the TMT decoder

sj64,
So if you have the ffshow in your "external filter" list you want to set the merit to "prefer", then you want to set any other decoder (unless you have a very high powered CPU) to "block". You may need to import these into your filter list also even though you don't intend on using them. This will depend on what you have installed on your computer and weather or not you have multiple codecs capable of decoding the same material. MPC works on a merit system so some may be higher than ffdshow, you will have to block these ones.
Ok to get cropping go to that menu into the ffdshow config menu and choose your values untill you have something that looks good to you. Note you will have to bear in mind that you are adjusting for a 16:9 screan so you must keep your ratios correct when you crop from either horizontal or vertical i.e. you will need to do both or your picture will be sqeezed/stretched. Remember you are essentially turning a 2.35:1 picture into a 1.85:1 picture so you will loosw some of the picture from the sides. One last thing do not do this while the video is playing or you will crash the decoder and will have to restart your test file.
Cheers,
Jiff.
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post #159 of 3738
7/7/08 at 5:00am
Thanks for the quick reply Jiff! If this is how quickly you respond when you are busy, I wonder what minute spans of time will separate questions and answers when you are *not* busy!!
Yes, I do have Haali etc. Last night I decided to give it another shot and wait a bit longer to see what happened. After about 10 minutes the preview window came up and I was able to proceed! However, when I finished entering all the info for the script and tried to preview it (using the preview script button), it went off to "sleep" again with 100% cpu usage for 10 minutes! And then when I tried to save the script, the same thing happened again! Wonder why ...

Anyways, once I finished the script, I was able to fire it off. It is now processing at around 5.5 fps and 77% done - a scheduled disk defragmentation and virus scan kicked in this morning which I had to close down manually ... they may have slowed the process down.

The movie I am trying to convert is National Treasure 2 from BluRay. The projected size for the 720p mkv is 8.2Gb, the audio TrueHD+AC3 flac is another 3Gb ... so I presume that when muxed together I'll have a 11.2Gb file?
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post #160 of 3738
7/7/08 at 6:33am
Okay, everything seems to have gone well (can't get home to play the file yet, but RDing in to see). One error though:

Code:
Adding fps value to MKV header failed.
Does this matter? What's the impact?

Thanks!
-Mark
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post #161 of 3738
7/7/08 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by JiffOrange View Post

Hi all,

2. cgmoore, Did you decode the stream using eac3to/sonic and convert to flac? If you did their should be no lowering of the center channel. If you didn't see above. Your 1/2 movie issue sounds to me like a driver issue ...sorry dude but not an expert.

I used eac3to but don't have Sonic, it defaulted to libav instead. Am guessing that that is the problem.

I've tried MPC-HC (limited amount of time before going on vacation last week) and it seemed to be stable, but the sound was having some really bad sync issues that I didn't witness in ZP. Still no center channel here either.

I am probably just going to stick to ISO's for now, in spite of PDVD for some reason not being able to skip chapters without losing the sound.

Gerald
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post #162 of 3738
7/7/08 at 6:09pm
Okay, I've managed to create a few MKV's + FLACs and merged them. Everything appeared to go well, with no errors.

But when I play the MKVs back through ArcSoft TMT, I don't get any audio.

I just installed the SourceForge flac library, but that didn't seem to help.

Any ideas what else I can do to get sound? I'd rather not switch to yet another player, but if I have to, I have to...

Thanks!
-Mark

Edit: NM, madflac fixed it...
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post #163 of 3738
7/7/08 at 6:13pm
So is there any way to get the chapters visible in players like TMT? I loaded the chapters.txt file into mkvmerge when creating the mkv, but they don't seem to be available in TMT.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
-Mark
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post #164 of 3738
7/7/08 at 7:23pm
JiffOrange:
Lostclusters,
Yes Arcsoft TMT does support mkv and flac audio as long as you have the madflac decoder installed. IMO it really quite good too.



I have installed the trial version of TMT and registered it. I have also installed MadFlac. TMT did not recognize my .mkv files. Double clicking on them brought up WMPC and it played. I can see no configurable items in TMT to change this. Also the thread below, which is fairly recent, seems to indicate that TMT does not support .mkv files and say nothing about MadFlac.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...V#post14109943

I do not mean to contradict you, you are obviously know what you are talking about. But could you give me a few more details on how to play .mkv files with TMT? Or is there a better option for playing these files? Searching these thread brings up bunches of results, but I do not think I'll live long enough to read them all.
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post #165 of 3738
7/7/08 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by Lostclusters View Post

JiffOrange:
Lostclusters,
Yes Arcsoft TMT does support mkv and flac audio as long as you have the madflac decoder installed. IMO it really quite good too.



I have installed the trial version of TMT and registered it. I have also installed MadFlac. TMT did not recognize my .mkv files. Double clicking on them brought up WMPC and it played. I can see no configurable items in TMT to change this. Also the thread below, which is fairly recent, seems to indicate that TMT does not support .mkv files and say nothing about MadFlac.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...V#post14109943

I do not mean to contradict you, you are obviously know what you are talking about. But could you give me a few more details on how to play .mkv files with TMT? Or is there a better option for playing these files? Searching these thread brings up bunches of results, but I do not think I'll live long enough to read them all.

They play fine in TMT, just did it:

1) Install madflac
2) Right click on an mkv file in Windows, select "Open With...", then pick "ArcSoft TMT".

Done.
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post #166 of 3738
7/7/08 at 8:39pm
Thanks for the speedy reply, AbMagFab, but no joy. I should have thought of that though, too. There are some instructions I found another thread I am going to try:

1) ffdshow-tryouts (xvid/divx/x264/h.264/mp4/most everything)
http://ffdshow-tryout.sourceforge.net/

2) halli media splitter (deselect ".TS" support on installation if you have another MPEG2 encoder like PureVideo or Cyberlink's PowerDVD installed). This is pretty much strictly for MKV support.
http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/

3) MPEG2 decoder (I like Purevideo doing SD and HD res MPEG2 decoding), but Cyberlink PowerDVD also installs a good decoder that accelerates decoding with the GPU
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post #167 of 3738
7/7/08 at 9:39pm
I know ffdshow is suppose to be a player, but I can not seem to find how to make it play anything. It must command line driven or something else that eludes me. I would pay real money to get a working .mkv player that is capable of handling the the higher level audio. I will most likely get the Asus hdmi audio/video card that has not been released yet, so I should learn how to use TMT.
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post #168 of 3738
7/8/08 at 3:18am
Thread Starter 
Hi Lostclusters,
ffdshow is not a player, it is a series of codecs that is capable of decoding a variety of video and audio formats. To get ffdshow to work you need a directshow capable front end player such as media player classic or zoomplayer. It is these that create the filter graph to play a clip and give codecs like ffdshow a purpose. N.B. while ffdshow is good for some things its really bad for others i.e. VC-1 material. If I were you I would uninstall all the codecs on your machine and then just install:
1. Haali media splitter.
2. madflac decoder.
3. ffdshow video decoder (configured for h.264 & MPEG video streams only)
4. WMP11 (To get the WMVideo decoder DMO - need this for VC-1 playback, other decoders don't work).
5. AC3filter for vanilla DD/DTS tracks.
6. ffdshow audio decoder (don't actually need this but is useful if your playing many media types. Deactivate flac support in config).
7. A font end player i.e. MPC, Zoom etc (persional preferance).

That is all you should need to be in HD heaven. With regard to TMT, this has decoders built in for everything except flac. To get this to work with these types of HD files you MUST install madflac (it will only use madflac for some reason). Everything else i.e. video decoding, file parsing etc is done by the players internal filters. Note that TMT does have a few odd quirks tho ....with intel IGP's (mine is Intel G35 and has these problems) it will not show anything above 720p or any VC-1 material without swapping out two files with those from a Japanese version. I can supply them if that is your problem. TMT however should work easily as AbMagFab pointed out but I suppose it could have other HW issues, have you tried deactivating HA (If enabled) and doing everything in software. I need more info on your sys to be more helpfull ....sorry dude. Post back if you still having trouble.

AbMagFab,
TMT doesn't support chapters, only open source players seem to do this such as MPC. Was a little suprised myself but then again mkv support in TMT is still in its early stages so it should improve over tiem.

cgmoore,
Download the newest version of eac3to and a trail copy of TMT and install them .....eac3to can now use the TMT audio decoder to do dts MA and its alot better than the old sonic decoder. Now does 7.1 as well . If your still having trouble PM me with a sample of the file and I'll have a look at it for you. This does sound a bit strange ...maby its a bug with that perticular encode (some studio cannal files are not authored as they should for example ). Don't give up though, I have done over 50 movies and enjoy the freedom this has brought to me but I have had problem streams from time to time just like you.
Cheers,
Jiff.
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post #169 of 3738
7/8/08 at 3:30am
Thread Starter 
Hi Sankar,
Really not sure why you are experiencing these lags, seems strange to me. The window should just open after a few seconds and saving the file should be instantainious! Maby do a reinstall is all I can think. I have two systems a pentium D@ 3.5 Ghz and a core2 Q6600 @3 Ghz and there is no differance between the two when doing these processes. It should just open the file at the mid point as is. It seems like you have a confict somewhere or its doing some kind of analysis but it shouldn't. You can just write the files as they appear in post 3 as a script file in notepad (obviously changing the path to your file and the number of frames to reflect each video) and then save that as a .bat file as shown in post 1. This can then be fed strait into meGUI and away you go. Sorry can't be more helpfull.
Cheers,
Jiff.
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post #170 of 3738
7/8/08 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by Lostclusters View Post

....is there a better option for playing these files? Searching these thread brings up bunches of results, but I do not think I'll live long enough to read them all.

IMHO the best player for mkv's at the moment is MPC-HC (http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/).

It is a really solid player, it hardware accelerates both VC-1 and H.264 (with suitable GPU) and it supports mkv language streams, subtitle streams and chapters. Changing chapter/language/subtitle is as easy as pressing the next/previous chapter/language/subtitle key, which if you are lucky you already have on your remote. It has built in codecs for the video, but you will still need MadFLAC. On XP use VMR9(renderless), with VMR Mixer and YUV Mixing enabled to get the right aspect ratio and right luma levels (the last of these probably only necessary for ATI cards, but should be OK for Nvidia too).
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post #171 of 3738
7/8/08 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

So is there any way to get the chapters visible in players like TMT? I loaded the chapters.txt file into mkvmerge when creating the mkv, but they don't seem to be available in TMT.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
-Mark

I use the Media Control Plugin and play MKVs through Vista Media Center with Chapters. (Don't think this will work with TMT, though.)

http://damienbt.free.fr/

Need to spend some time with it to get the configuration correct. But once you do it works great.

ballenjr
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post #172 of 3738
7/8/08 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by jong1 View Post

IMHO the best player for mkv's at the moment is MPC-HC (http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/).

It is a really solid player, it hardware accelerates both VC-1 and H.264 (with suitable GPU) and it supports mkv language streams, subtitle streams and chapters. Changing chapter/language/subtitle is as easy as pressing the next/previous chapter/language/subtitle key, which if you are lucky you already have on your remote. It has built in codecs for the video, but you will still need MadFLAC. On XP use VMR9(renderless), with VMR Mixer and YUV Mixing enabled to get the right aspect ratio and right luma levels (the last of these probably only necessary for ATI cards, but should be OK for Nvidia too).

Horrible judder at 24p, 23p, and 60p. Like a hiccup every second on the nose. Am I missing something?

So far, the best judder free results at 60p with TMT. Is my 4850 configured wrong?
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post #173 of 3738
7/8/08 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

Horrible judder at 24p, 23p, and 60p. Like a hiccup every second on the nose. Am I missing something?

So far, the best judder free results at 60p with TMT. Is my 4850 configured wrong?

Okay, configured MPC to use the Haali video filter, and it seems to work pretty well. I still get some periodic stutter, like once every few minutes.

Audio is dead on now, and video is pretty good. Still not as stutter free as 60p from the ISO in TMT, but good. (And I have no idea why 60p has no stutter on 24p content.) And 24p does look slightly better, visually, to me.

Any other config setting for MPC I should be aware of? Anything else I should install?

(I think the remaining stutter in MPC is related to caching of the file. If I replay the stuttering part, it no longer stutters. Is there any way to increase the cache in MPC?)
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post #174 of 3738
7/8/08 at 12:29pm
How are you setting your refresh rate? A regular judder like that sounds like the frame rate and refresh rate are not in sync.
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post #175 of 3738
7/8/08 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

Okay, configured MPC to use the Haali video filter, and it seems to work pretty well. I still get some periodic stutter, like once every few minutes.

Audio is dead on now, and video is pretty good. Still not as stutter free as 60p from the ISO in TMT, but good. (And I have no idea why 60p has no stutter on 24p content.) And 24p does look slightly better, visually, to me.

Any other config setting for MPC I should be aware of? Anything else I should install?

(I think the remaining stutter in MPC is related to caching of the file. If I replay the stuttering part, it no longer stutters. Is there any way to increase the cache in MPC?)

Some questions and thoughts:

Do you mean Haali splitter or Haali renderer?

You certainly should be using the haali splitter, not the built in splitter. You should disable the built in Matroska splitter.

If you have ffdshow installed I would disable the video decoder in MPC-HC, so it does not insert itself into your HD graphs and turn off HA.

Are you on Vista or XP? Which renderer are you using (if not haali)?

Have you defragmented your disc? Heavily fragmented mkv's could obviously cause this problem.

regarding 24p. How is this being displayed on your TV? Is your TV converting this to 48Hz or 72Hz or displaying @24Hz?

You will be aware that 24fps is very slow. In the cinema each frame is double shuttered to display @48Hz, otherwise the judder would be very noticeable. if your TV is not electronically doing the same then displaying @60Hz with 3:2 pulldown may well appear smoother.
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post #176 of 3738
7/8/08 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

Okay, configured MPC to use the Haali video filter, and it seems to work pretty well. I still get some periodic stutter, like once every few minutes.

Audio is dead on now, and video is pretty good. Still not as stutter free as 60p from the ISO in TMT, but good. (And I have no idea why 60p has no stutter on 24p content.) And 24p does look slightly better, visually, to me.

Any other config setting for MPC I should be aware of? Anything else I should install?

(I think the remaining stutter in MPC is related to caching of the file. If I replay the stuttering part, it no longer stutters. Is there any way to increase the cache in MPC?)

Okay, it seems to be fixed now. I found a cache setting in the Haali properties, and maxed it out as well as the frame buffer.

No remaining stutter as far as I can tell!
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post #177 of 3738
7/8/08 at 4:47pm
forget 3rd party players. the way i have things setup is super simple. download the mpc-hc standalone video decoder, register it and then you have dxva in any player/front end without the hassle of having to launch other players. using mediaportal, i install mpc video decoder, haali and madflac. this plays all my rips perfectly inside mediaportal with dxva.
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post #178 of 3738
7/8/08 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by esoteradactyl View Post

forget 3rd party players. the way i have things setup is super simple. download the mpc-hc standalone video decoder, register it and then you have dxva in any player/front end without the hassle of having to launch other players. using mediaportal, i install mpc video decoder, haali and madflac. this plays all my rips perfectly inside mediaportal with dxva.

How did you get it to show up in MediaPortal? That's what I use too, but it doesn't show up in the Movie Players listing.
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post #179 of 3738
7/8/08 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

How did you get it to show up in MediaPortal? That's what I use too, but it doesn't show up in the Movie Players listing.

did you download the standalone filter and then register it with windows? if so, it should show up under the decoder section.
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post #180 of 3738
7/8/08 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by esoteradactyl View Post

did you download the standalone filter and then register it with windows? if so, it should show up under the decoder section.

I downloaded Haali and just installed it. It shows up in MPC, and I selected it, but it doesn't show up in MediaPortal.
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