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post #11041 of 14945
Download the images for a DVD and burn them, and then play via your disc player. You'll see a distinct image difference. I too didn't see much via the thumbdrive images.
post #11042 of 14945
A stupid question... how should I clean the dust and finger print off 5020FD's glass?
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Anyone have a 5020 stand they would like to unload, particularly in South LA or OC?
post #11044 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Ehien View Post

... how should I clean the dust and finger print off 5020FD's glass?

With the included microfiber cloth, and some distilled water if necessary. Don't use any "glass cleaners", and if you have a cleaning person, tell them to stay away from the panel! Pioneer tells you to use a damp cloth to first take the dust off the piano black bezel, but even with that, you're going to get scratches that show up on the bezel in direct light. That part I need to polish with an auto finish to remove the spider web scratches. Give me a dull finish bezel anytime!
post #11045 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post

it remebers your last setting and since it is only available for 1080i/p it does sort of automatically switch

Mine only remembers it during each viewing session, once I shut off the TV off and turn it back on it goes to Auto.
post #11046 of 14945
I am in the process of setting up my HT using Component over Cat-5e wallplates to establish a connection between my TV and Sunfire TGR-401 Receiver, which is about 30ft away. So far i have NOT been able to get 1080p from my PS3 or Panasonic Blu-Ray player which are both connected to the receiver. I can only go up to 1080i. From all the research I've done so far, it seems the only way to get true 1080p from either of these sources is by using an HDMI cable.

One question I have is is it possible for my receiver to connect to the PS3 via HDMI and then output via component to the wallplate and get 1080p?

Another question, does the 6020FD have the ability to upconvert from 1080i to 1080p?

And another question, can anyone think of a way for me to get 1080p with my current setup?

And yet another question, am I better off using 720p rather than 1080i?

I might be overreacting but I would really like to see 1080p on my new 6020FD. Also planning on be purchasing an AppleTV and XBOX360 Elite and hoping these will work in 1080p. Fios TV is already out of the question because it only supports up to 1080i.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #11047 of 14945
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Originally Posted by eddieklay View Post

From all the research I've done so far, it seems the only way to get true 1080p from either of these sources is by using an HDMI cable.
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Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The Kuro won't accept 1080p from the component input no matter what the source is. You need to run HDMI to get 1080p on this display.

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Another question, does the 6020FD have the ability to upconvert from 1080i to 1080p?

Truth is the difference between 1080i to 1080p will be virtually imperceptible because the Kuro is deinterlacing the signal to 1080p anyway. If you run it all digital then the fields will be digitally reconstructed anyway so you're losing practically nothing from a good source like PS3 blu-ray.

Best to run hdmi though if possible esp. so you can maximize your hd audio as well.
post #11048 of 14945
Thank you Dahlsim. If the Kuro is deinterlacing to 1080p is it normal to still see 1080i appear on the corner of the screen?

Also, I wanted to ask you how important is the recommend burn in feature?
And if i decide to go through with the 150hr will the end result produce a "better picture" or just protect the display from future problems?

Thanks.
post #11049 of 14945
This problem on my 600m is eating at me. Im getting extreme judder from all sources. Its most noticeable on quick pans left and right you can literally see the objects stuttering. Its giving me a headache. On pans up and down im getting a picture that looks like someone wiped sulfuric acid in some spots of the screen. Mostly noticeable on whites. Maybe the phosphors have to settle across the screen? Figures I wouldnt get a cracked screen but have everything else wrong internally.
post #11050 of 14945
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Originally Posted by eddieklay View Post

...is it normal to still see 1080i appear on the corner of the screen?....

It is just informing you of the input. Each resolution will be upconverted by the panel to display correctly.
post #11051 of 14945
If anyone in the Chicagoland has a PDP-5020FD stand sitting idle and is looking to move it, please let me know!

Thanks,
Justin
post #11052 of 14945
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Originally Posted by eddieklay View Post


I might be overreacting but I would really like to see 1080p on my new 6020FD. Also planning on be purchasing an AppleTV and XBOX360 Elite and hoping these will work in 1080p. Fios TV is already out of the question because it only supports up to 1080i.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You're not going to get 1080p out of any cable sources. I say if you are one of the lucky ones who has FIOS as an option, go with it.
post #11053 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

With the included microfiber cloth, and some distilled water if necessary. Don't use any "glass cleaners", and if you have a cleaning person, tell them to stay away from the panel! Pioneer tells you to use a damp cloth to first take the dust off the piano black bezel, but even with that, you're going to get scratches that show up on the bezel in direct light. That part I need to polish with an auto finish to remove the spider web scratches. Give me a dull finish bezel anytime!

Thanks!

However I wonder if damped microfiber is good for glass as it may leave water mark.

Also for smudges or oily finger prints, solvent may be needed to get them off. If there's no better solutions, I may use B&L pure alcohol pads that I use to clean camera lenses as they leave no residue, are safe against lens coatings, and are effective in removing common smudges.
post #11054 of 14945
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Originally Posted by judec06 View Post

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 Originally Posted by jambuda  View Post
I have this same mount . . my question is . . . will my 5020 actually come with the M8 screws/washers/the works that I will need to mount the TV this or do I need to go to the hardware store now to prepare?
I just installed my 5020 on this stand two days ago. The M8 bolts come inside the package. I have to admit I was pretty nervous hanging my Kuro so high, but the mounting system seems to be solid.

that's a nice looking stand. can you pass on the name, model # and place where
you got it?
\ hanks
post #11055 of 14945
Turns out my panel is defective and needs to be swapped for a new one. A shame too because the picture quality is great. The judder on 3:3 pulldown or just regular 3:2 is unacceptable. News scrollers look like they have tourettes. Also the un-uniform picture with darker and lighter streaks across the panel is harder to notice, but once you see it you see it constantly. On to number 2
post #11056 of 14945
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

no, no. I guess I should have said "switch to dot-to-to autmotically when 1080 content is detected.

I know I can select it manually, just wondering if I can "program" it to go to dot-to-dot automatically when it's fed 1080. My intuition is that I can't.


sorry,
James

1. Push the Home Menu button on the remote.
2. Select Set UP
3. Select Option
4. Select Auo Size
5. Set it to Off

After all that, go to a channel that broadcasts in 1080i and manually
change it to Dot by Dot and it should remember it.
post #11057 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Ehien View Post

Thanks!

However I wonder if damped microfiber is good for glass as it may leave water mark.

Also for smudges or oily finger prints, solvent may be needed to get them off. If there's no better solutions, I may use B&L pure alcohol pads that I use to clean camera lenses as they leave no residue, are safe against lens coatings, and are effective in removing common smudges.

the outer suface is not glass!!!

on the pioneers there is a bonded color filter on the outside of the glass. take a good light source and look closely and you will see it it not a normal glass type smooth surface.

if possible only lightly dust the screen periodically if needed. if it actually has a smudge, fingerprint or other substance on the screen then only use distilled water and a good quality microfiber cloth. still go slowly and be careful.

do not use any other type cleaning solution as it may damage the color filter.
post #11058 of 14945
A surge took out my rear projection yesterday. I can still get a 6020 at a decent price. Does anyone know how the 6020 will stack up against
the new Samsung and Panasonic plasmas coming out? Also, will there be problems having this TV serviced since Pioneer has exited? Any input would help!
post #11059 of 14945
it will have better blacks and contrast ratios then any other branded plasma out this year, it's a great panel. your 6020 would be warrantied for 1 year and pioneer should not have a problem with that, even after that they should have parts available if needed for several years down the road.
post #11060 of 14945
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

the outer suface is not glass!!!

on the pioneers there is a bonded color filter on the outside of the glass. take a good light source and look closely and you will see it it not a normal glass type smooth surface.

if possible only lightly dust the screen periodically if needed. if it actually has a smudge, fingerprint or other substance on the screen then only use distilled water and a good quality microfiber cloth. still go slowly and be careful.

do not use any other type cleaning solution as it may damage the color filter.

Really! This is scary. I'll check when I get home tonight. Then solvent indeed may damage the screen surface.

But still I wonder if there's any kind of solvent that's approved by Pioneer for cleaning? They don't really expect distilled water to remove all kinds of oily or gooey stuffs that can be adhered to the screen right?!
post #11061 of 14945
well hopefully you can keep your screen out of any food fights or away from handsy kids, dogs and cats and drunk adults..........

i think it only mentions using water in the manual.

the distilled water and good quality microfiber cloth comes from some owners who had some success getting theirs clean.

first line of protection is keep it clean
post #11062 of 14945
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Originally Posted by eddieklay View Post

...I might be overreacting but I would really like to see 1080p on my new 6020FD. Also planning on be purchasing an AppleTV and XBOX360 Elite and hoping these will work in 1080p. Fios TV is already out of the question because it only supports up to 1080i.

Eddie, bear in mind that the current Apple TV has essentially a 1 GHz Pentium M processor and generally has a difficult time with 1080 content. Most, erm, Internet files are 720 in any case.

Many of us expect that the next Apple TV will contain nVidia's 'Ion' platform: a GeForce 9400M graphics chip paired with Intel's Atom processor. This has been demonstrated to play back 1080p content (H.264) whilst remaining relatively cool. If the Apple TV could handle 1080p content, and if Boxee doesn't get shut down by Hollywood, an Apple TV running Boxee would probably provide the ideal 'set-top' media box.

I'm not a gamer, but I think the Xbox 360 can output 1080p; however, most games are not 1080p native.
post #11063 of 14945
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

it will have better blacks and contrast ratios then any other branded plasma out this year, it's a great panel. your 6020 would be warrantied for 1 year and pioneer should not have a problem with that, even after that they should have parts available if needed for several years down the road.

Also keep in mind that if you purchase it with a credit card that supports it, they will double the warranty.
post #11064 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Winterpool View Post

Eddie, bear in mind that the current Apple TV has essentially a 1 GHz Pentium M processor and generally has a difficult time with 1080 content. Most, erm, Internet files are 720 in any case.

Many of us expect that the next Apple TV will contain nVidia's 'Ion' platform: a GeForce 9400M graphics chip paired with Intel's Atom processor. This has been demonstrated to play back 1080p content (H.264) whilst remaining relatively cool. If the Apple TV could handle 1080p content, and if Boxee doesn't get shut down by Hollywood, an Apple TV running Boxee would probably provide the ideal 'set-top' media box.

I'm not a gamer, but I think the Xbox 360 can output 1080p; however, most games are not 1080p native.

I bought an Apple TV in early 2008 because iTunes was making HD movies available for the Apple TV. Although their resolution was only 720p, the resolution of the HD movies I downloaded was pretty good. I quit renting anything from iTunes, though, because Apple charged 5 bucks apiece for HD movies, which I was obliged to finish within 24 hour of starting one or lose it. No thanks.

Compared to the $19.99 a month I pay Blockbuster for 3 mail order movies at a time and 5 free in store trade movies a month, iTunes is simply not cost effective for me. Thus, I don't care whether the resolution of iTunes' online content is improved. I wouldn't pay 5 bucks apiece to rent one, even it its resolution and sound quality was equivalent to a Blu-ray disc.
post #11065 of 14945
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Originally Posted by jambuda View Post

Yeah . . . the unit I purchased was a display console at SAMS . . . so no bag of bolts and goodies came with it. I guess a trip to the hardware store will have to do.

Your setup looks great BTW . . . I was concerned that my HTM 07 wouldn't fit under the TV . .but there looks to be plenty of room.

It only takes 4 bolts to attach the TV to that stand, and I think the stand included with the TV already uses four bolts so you may not need to buy anything other than some washers - and I'm not even really sure the washer are completely necessary since M8 bolts are pretty wide to begin with.

To update my original post (which you quoted ) I did end up moving the bars higher so that the TV sits lower - that just works better since I have a tendency to lay down on the couch and the "default" height was a bit high for that. The attached 5020 speaker is currently nearly completely flush with my center speaker on the top shelf. I haven't finished setting everything up (oh the procrastination of moving into a new place!) so no pics yet, but depending on whether the included TV speaker is even usable once I run everything through my Denon receiver (I can't pump PCM from the PS3 directly into the TV I think) I may just remove it. I do like the look of the TV with it attached though.

I did need to make sure that the actual mount part of that stand was level relative to the rest of the stand though. The first time I mounted it the TV was sitting noticeably crooked in relation to the shelving part of the stand.
post #11066 of 14945
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

well hopefully you can keep your screen out of any food fights or away from handsy kids, dogs and cats and drunk adults..........

i think it only mentions using water in the manual.

the distilled water and good quality microfiber cloth comes from some owners who had some success getting theirs clean.

first line of protection is keep it clean

Clean the screen with included microfiber last night. It was the first time I ever touched it in near 3 months of ownership. Good thing was there's no scratch and all dust and most smudges were cleaned. But as expected there are a few tough ones that left small visible signs (only when looked closely) even after repeated rubbing. I still believe it's best to find the right solvent or detergent in dealing with tough greases.
post #11067 of 14945
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Originally Posted by notoriousmatty View Post

This problem on my 600m is eating at me. Im getting extreme judder from all sources. Its most noticeable on quick pans left and right you can literally see the objects stuttering. Its giving me a headache. On pans up and down im getting a picture that looks like someone wiped sulfuric acid in some spots of the screen. Mostly noticeable on whites. Maybe the phosphors have to settle across the screen? Figures I wouldnt get a cracked screen but have everything else wrong internally.

Turn Pure Cinema to Off - if you are using Smooth mode... Smooth is busted and always has been (Pioneer admits the problem when cornered). If the motion is good in Off, leave the TV that way except you can experiment with 24p sources (like Blu-ray) and see whether Advance or Off provides a better (or no difference) quality of motion.
post #11068 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Ehien View Post

Thanks!

However I wonder if damped microfiber is good for glass as it may leave water mark.

Also for smudges or oily finger prints, solvent may be needed to get them off. If there's no better solutions, I may use B&L pure alcohol pads that I use to clean camera lenses as they leave no residue, are safe against lens coatings, and are effective in removing common smudges.

Nothing containing alcohol or ammonia (or other chemicals) should ever be used on the surface of Kuro panels - both will remove the outer coating where it is applied and there IS NO FIX if you do that. The outer surface is NOT glass... it is a sprayed-on coating that is very delicate. Pioneer says only the dry cloth they provide should be used on the screen. When pressed, they will admit water is safe. Pressed further they will say that cleaners intended for plastic eyeglass lenses "should" be safe (providing there is no alcohol or ammonia in the formula)... but they have not tested eyeglass cleaners and will not officially recommend their use. The manual does say "dry cloth only" and that's the only thing they recommend... on the record.

The best possible thing is to never get the screen surface dirty and never clean it.
post #11069 of 14945
Did a search, but didn't find anything useful. Does anyone here use their NE Kuro with an Xbox 360 with the VGA connection? If so, what reference level do you use on the 360? Standard, Intermediate, or Expanded?
post #11070 of 14945
I got mine yesterday from BB ... noticed DSE during break-in with static images ... especially visible with green channel and derived colors including whites ... also noticed blotching during the night in dark room between image switching ...

Should I swap the unit or wait for break-in to complete? I would hate to settle for a panny or samsung ...

Anyone? D-nice?
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