The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 385

Ok I know I'm going to get slapped for this but watching cable hdtv on my 5020fd, I prefer Standard A/V Mode with Film Mode on Smooth. I know this is probably the worse settings from an accuracy / technicality point of view but after calibrating with D-Nice's settings, watching regular tv or even dvds looks quite dark in movie mode unless I have every single light off in my room which isnt possible for me. Am I breaking a law?

I don't know about your local station, but my local affiliates haven't mastered the art of the HD crawl, they drop back to the SD signal for the various news break-in crawls. For that I'd never consider adjusting my settings for the low quality signal just to make the crawl "smooth"

Assuming a typical environment this doesn't sound right. Did you try turning up contrast?

Do you mean that you actually used controlcal to input D-Nice's settings or that you simply changed a couple settings in the regular menu? If the latter, movie mode might look a little dim/dull to some people. However, after I had mine calibrated (by D-Nice himself actually), the yellowish tint went away and the colors definetely popped a bit more while looking even more natural.

It's hard to say anything for sure though because our viewing environments might be pretty different. Standard certainly isn't the best AV mode IMO, but Kuros look good regardless. Still though, you might want to consider getting controlcal and at least inputing his offsets to see if you might like that better. Pure cinema mode is completely a preference thing, but once you watch an accurate, reference quality image, it's hard to go back to the significantly overblown and unnatural looking modes like Standard, Dynamic, Performance, Sport...in short, movie mode is the only one that can deliver this (game mode comes pretty close with a warmer color temperature), although it's a little off (too warm) out of the box

I am in a similar situation. My room get a lot of light during the day, if I do not shut the main curtain (which is often since the sun is nice out this time of year), I usually put it to Game Mode or even Performance depending on the show. I rarely watch movies during the day so, it's always Movie mode at night which looks awesome. So, I can understand why you would want more pop if the room is bright. As for Smooth... that's a personal call.

Turn on the text enhancer in the Pure Cinema menu and it will fix this.

I am a proud new owner of a slightly used Pioneer KRP-500M. Picked it up locally from someone who decided he wanted the 600M. His loss is my gain. I am loving the TV. Great picure, great cabinet with the higloss black bezel. I also love that it has no crappy speakers built in. I use my surround system which blows away any built in TV speakers. I won't be purchasing the optional matching set that Pioneer makes. I only needed 1 HDMI input, as all my sources are routed thru an Onkyo 606 receiver. Best decision I made, the PQ is outstanding. It was even calibrated by the original owner. Here's some pix:

You're only breaking the AVS Forums laws. LOL. Since everyone works hard to get the best picture possible, the bottom line it is the best picture that you decide works for you. I've recently tried using SMOOTH more often and it does seem to help for certain shows. I was watching Southland on my PVR last night and just the way it was filmed was painful (Pure Cinema: OFF) to try to watch with the camera moving all the time. I put it on PC: SMOOTH and it really did seem to help. I'm still waiting for some time to try out the PC: Advanced setting with the new ControlCal. I've just been working considering some things to try to achieve my goal: Set it and Forget it. But that may be wishful thinking as I may have to make adjustments for every type of viewing.

Hi Guys,

Recently purchased Kuro 6020 FD but I am having some problems with the picture. For example, I am watching a HD channel on Fios and when the movie ends and the credits start to roll and the screen starts to flicker. Same is happening when I am watching Mongol on Bluray, the movie portion looks great but the subtitles on the bottom start flickering.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ed

Ed, I usually hate it when people guess, but I'm going to do just that.

First, try turning Text Optimization on. If that doesn't solve your issue try the different Pure Cinema modes one by one.

I can't get the TV to read the USB drive to do a firmware update. I follow all the instructions but when I plug the TV back in after plugging the USB in, it just sits at the blue light and doesn't do anything. Never get any orange light or anything as the instructions say.

I know the USB drive works as I put some pictures on it and was able to access those, but the update doesn't auto run or whatever.

Anyone else have this issue?

I tried updating the firmware today and got the same result. I'm pretty sure this is the same USB stick I used for the previous firmware update, too.

Many have; and it's almost always the result of not having the "update" folder in the root directory of the flash drive.

A_C

Try a different stick. Last time i tried 1st stick (512mb) looked ok but wouldn't start bootstrap so i swapped to a Kingston 8GB, formatted FAT32, just update folder in root & it worked ok, took 4-5 mins.

Didn't see any change after update though, time still off 1 hr so i set it for Mountain instead of Pacific, no big deal since i don't use tv tuner.

ControlCal settings & all CC functions remain. No changes in SM.

+1

hehe.. Ed, I'll guess along w/ String but I'd try the same thing.

Yep, you're an outlaw ...

It may not be "the most accurate setting" but it's your tv, has to be enjoyable to your eyes. Some people prefer Movie, some prefer Standard or Performance. I don't think there's one setting that would be "the best" for everyone's house - though many will preach otherwise, each set & environment is different & each owner has different preference.

I've never heard any say one setting is appropriate even if your display is calibrated. Since that's utterly incorrect it would extremely foolish.

Some folks will say that calibrating your display will result in a picture that is the most faithful to the similarly calibrated source and that using settings that cause technical failures (typically deinterlacing and color space) should be avoided but there are choices that fall outside the proper purview of calibration. This is particularly true when the viewing environment is vastly different from the editing/transfer station.

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We meant AV Mode (Movie, Standard...)

but yeah, blah blah.......blah.

To those having problems using a USB stick, I think it may step from the one's that are formatted with multiple partitions like the sandisk cruzers since they have one partition for the autoplay app software and another partition for the actual data to store. I had some hit and miss trying to use these to watch videos. I think if you try reformatting the usb stick as a pure single fat32 partition it should work fine.

hi all I am a relatively new 5020FD owner and still still to get the best picture out of it. So far i think dynamic and perfermance modes look best but I keep seeing people talk about how amazing movie mode is. To me movie looks way dark and yellowish. Does this mode have to be tweaked by a calibration or is there other ways to adjust it. Thanks is advance.

You're probably coming from the LCD side of panels and just now seeing how a plasma looks different. Your comment about Performance and Dynamic mode leads most of us to believe that you've always watched a fairly bright picture. Compare the Movie settings for a film and see what is considered to be the more "accurate" picture portrayal as you would have watched it in a movie theater. Yes, you can brighten things with controls even in that mode to seek what you consider a correct picture.

At first, I did not think Movie mode looked that great, but the more I watched it the better is started to look. Now, It's hard for me to switch over to other modes, unless I'm watching sports. You should also read up on ControlCal. Using offsets that D-Nice provided along with the application, the whites in Movie mode appear much whiter. I didn't do a full calibration (I hope to soon) and I can still say there is a definite improvement in just using the offsets.

You can read up on the application at www.controlcal.com or by searching here in the forum. It's really easy to use, if you can follow directions.

Agreed that out of the box, movie mode is a bit too warm (yellow). However standard is way too blue. D-nice's offsets are a nice compromise by whitening out movie mode a bit.

I agree you are probably used to a bright picture. I had a hard time believing MOVIE was the best mode. But once I used ControlCal with D-Nice offsets it really cleared up teh Yellow and Pink in caucasian faces. Now when I watch a blu-ray in a dark setting, all I can ever say is WOW.

In the end it is your choice but I think your eyes will adjust and enjoy.

I still use brighter modes for daytime and some Standard Def and HD. I seem to prefer GAME. And I do use SPORT to watch hockey so play around and you'll find what you like. But consider getting ControlCal.

ControlCal isnt free is it? Everyone here thinks its worth the $35 correct?

I think it's worth it.

Definitely!

proud new owner of a elite 151. its on a sanus vmdd26 mount. its a little scary floating out off the wall two feet. picked the display up at BB for low 4G with delivery, i guess you cant beat that.

I just updated my other sets (original FW, I think 901-201) & found some sets are just pickier than others. I did the 5020 yesterday w/ the Kingston drive, went from 904 to 905. Saw boot.img renamed to old so copied new update folder over, used it ok on the 151. Did exact same thing on the 111 but it wouldn't work. Reformatted, re-copied & same. Switched to another 8GB & it worked just fine. Same size & brand, just different sticks.

Funny thing, just got email from Pioneer notifying me of the update.