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New 5020FD owner. I was actually browsing craigslist last night for a Samsung LCD...and this popped up. The tv was only used for 4 months. The guy got it because he didn't want to rent a second kuro. Hes gonna sell the other one he had for 8 months. Whatever the case I have the original receipt and all the stuff it came with. I thought I read that the remote wasn't supposed to be backlit but mine looks like it is. Anyway I got a heck of a deal on it so I was all over it today. Heres a picture...



Never thought I'd get a plasma...always thought LCD was the way to go...but with all the issues with LED tech and spotting I decided to give the kuro a go. I did forget to mention I'm only at this apartment temporarily. I'll have to move the tv to my home town 4 hours away at the end of 5 weeks...that'll be fun...
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I'm guessing you're a bachelor...

A_C
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Originally Posted by Agent_C View Post

I'm guessing you're a bachelor...

A_C

Yes I am. This is actually my friends place. I'm only staying there temporarily. My hometheater setup is back in Houston. I'm in Dallas right now. I had a sweet setup back at my place there. It was a Sony 55 SXRD and axioms. I'm in the process of revamping my setup but yeah I won't drone on in the owners thread. I'm excited to play with the tv tonight. I have to get some work done though.
post #11974 of 14941
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New 5020FD owner.

Is that stand sturdy? It makes me nervous looking at that pic...
post #11975 of 14941
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Is that stand sturdy? It makes me nervous looking at that pic...

Actually its more sturdy than the other stand I had. It was either that or the lack ikea stand. I'm still thinking about it right now. As long as no one bumps it...nothing should happen....only 5 weeks b4 I take it back and wall mount it.
post #11976 of 14941
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

A/V professionals who review PDPs for a living, aren't going to spend a lot of time breaking in a display before calibrating it and writing up their report.

Well, I do "break-in" plasmas and LCDs and projection lamp displays before beginning any reviewing of image quality or calibration.

But my "break-in" is sane -- I just run the display at a reasonable level (30 fL peak white level or close to that for panels) for 150 hours or so - and that's often 24 hours a day or so to accumulate the hours in a week or so. That's one reason I can't review displays as fast as Cnet - and why, I hope, I find more of the displays quirks or strengths than you'll ever get from a slap-dash review.

I think using very specific settings and break-in discs is a form of obsessive compulsive videophile behavior that has no benefit of any kind. Technology changes and improves over time... there was a time when plasma break-in was beneficial. Today... I can't think of any plasma panel that benefits from any special process for break-in (save the commments in the next paragraph).

I agree with you... using the display at "sane" levels when it is new is critical. And for plasmas, avoiding more than 2 or 3 hours of the same sort of black bars is a very good idea in the first 150 hours or so, is important. Beyond that, nothing you can do with a disc/disc player/USB stick will be of any additional benefit. I also don't think hours and hours of the nastier logos (Histor Channel is particularly bad) is a good idea for plasmas in the early going either.
post #11977 of 14941
After pouring over these forums for a few weeks, I finally decided to pull the trigger on a 6020FD to replace an old Sony rear projection. I love my current TV, but it's time for an upgrade (and my wife finally agreed to let me spend the money ) I just wanted to say thanks for all the great information in this thread, and the forums in general!
post #11978 of 14941
Hello again. I am not sure if I got no replys to my post because it was at the end of the last page, it is poorly written, or is in some way off topic, but I will re post it:

I owned a Pioneer 5080 for about a year and have recently traded up to a G9 5020. It is a TV that was returned to my local Best Buy store and is one of only 2 thay had left (the other was a year old floor model).

I love this new TV, but I found what appears to be a flaw.

The blacks on this TV are noticably deeper than my G8, however I watched a 2.35:1 ratio Bluray in a totaly dark room last night and I discovered something disturbing. The top black bar was darker than the bottom one. I mean noticably darker, and from all angles!

With a very bright scene both bars basicaly faded into the bezel but in the dimmer to medium brightness scenes I could see more light eminating from the lower bar (while the top bar remained invisible). I found this very distracting!

After watching the movie I checked a completely black sceen in a totaly dark room and to my horror I could see a 3-5 inch darker section/splotch accross the top of the screen. (Another time I notice it is on the default screen on the Ps3.)

What is this? Is it some form of image retention? Is it like the "blotching" that I have read can happen to Pio's?

What can I do about it? Can I somehow even out the blackness on my screen? Do I need to run some kind of special program (i.e. break in DVD, all white screen, all black screen) to help 'reset' the pixles. I REALLY REALLY need the blackness to be even and its OK if it means that the top darker section is as light as the rest of the black screen.


Please reply, I am quite worried about this. It was a huge hastle traiding in my G8 (which had it's own problems... but that's another story), and I really couldn't afford to pay the difference, but I felt it was worth it to get such a great TV... but at these prices one expects PERFECTION!!! I want to love my G9!

Help!


Thank's in advance for your useful suggestions!

Maglor


P.S. I should make it clear that the TV in question is used. The person who returned it decided they wanted to get an LCD. At the time I asumed that this ment they wanted a brighter image, but now I am begining to wonder if the last owner noticed this problem which was the result of the wrong kind of use (perhaps video games with healthbars etc. accross the top) and he wanted a TV that wasn't burn-in as easy.

God I hope I didn't pay this much money for a burned in TV...


P.P.S. the reason I am posting this hear instead of the burn-in/IR thread is that (a) I do not know if it is burn in/IR (b) You all are the experts on Pioneers, and if this is the blochiness that can occur with Pio's I hoped you would recognize the symptoms. I would love a reply from D-Nice or any other knowledgeable Pio lover!
post #11979 of 14941
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Originally Posted by maglor64 View Post

Hello again. I am not sure if I got no replys to my post because it was at the end of the last page, it is poorly written, or is in some way off topic, but I will re post it:

None of the above, but you are a bit wordy.

There's much more traffic during working hours, Monday through Friday, than on the weekend.

As soon as someone reads your post, and thinks that they know something useful, then you will get replies. I personally don't know what might make one black bar different than the other one. When you watch a full screen image, like HDTV, do you see a difference between the top 25% of the image and the same area on the bottom?
post #11980 of 14941
just wanted to say hi to everybody here im new the this forum i purchased the pioneer 5020 back in march 2009 just want to say that it the best tv I've ever owned an I just pulled to trigger on the 500m model can't wait for it to get here I just need som advice on the settings I had to 5020 calibrated but for some reason the optimum mode seemed in my opinion had the better picture quality does that mean a bad calibration
post #11981 of 14941
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Originally Posted by phillydude32 View Post

just wanted to say hi to everybody here im new the this forum i purchased the pioneer 5020 back in march 2009 just want to say that it the best tv I've ever owned an I just pulled to trigger on the 500m model can't wait for it to get here I just need som advice on the settings I had to 5020 calibrated but for some reason the optimum mode seemed in my opinion had the better picture quality does that mean a bad calibration

I'm having a little problem understanding your post. Maybe some sentences with punctuation would clear up my confusion.
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Thanks for the reply htwaits!

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...you are a bit wordy.

Sorry about that. I have always had that problem. Just wanted to convey all the needed details and also how worried I am!

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When you watch a full screen image, like HDTV, do you see a difference between the top 25% of the image and the same area on the bottom?

I only see it on a black screen in a dark room. A lit screen with a full screen image does not show any Image Retention.

But that one darker bar really bugs me in a dark room!
post #11983 of 14941
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Originally Posted by maglor64 View Post

Thanks for the reply htwaits!

You're welcome.

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... also how worried I am!

That was clear.

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I only see it on a black screen in a dark room. A lit screen with a full screen image does not show any Image Retention.

That's great. You can relax and take your time with the black bar impression.

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But that one darker bar really bugs me in a dark room!

Your display is the first that I recall being described that way. Other's may have some theories, but in most cases it's the image that's most important. You might try displaying an actual image that's all black, instead of the blank screen when nothing is being displayed.

It's my dinner time.
post #11984 of 14941
sorry about that, I was saying that I purchased the 5020 a couple of months ago. I had it calibrated an after calibration, I found that the optimum mode setting to me I thought had a better picture from what he calibrated on the movie mode. I was also saying that I just purchased the krp 500m model an couldn't wait for it to get delivered an needed advice on breakin.
post #11985 of 14941
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You might try displaying an actual image that's all black, instead of the blank screen when nothing is being displayed.


I have. I was watching Wipeout the other day and after they flash the Wipeout logo before going to commercial it fades to an all black screen. I saved the episode on my Tivo for this purpose. It is definitly visible and I don't like it!


I'll see if I can take a picture of what I am talking about.
post #11986 of 14941
I bought my 6020 when they were first released. Love the set need some help with the picture - when watching in a dark room when the screen fades to black you see a variation in the black on the sides on the screen. Looks as if the center of the screen is pure black and the sides are a slight shade lighter. Is there something that I can do to help fix this ?? I called Pioneer and they told me image retention is normal and to be expected. have to say this is a disappointment for a year old set. love everything about it but this color issues is driving me nuts
post #11987 of 14941
I have this same issue however I bought the set new 6020 back in October called Pioneer and they said this was normal..... Let me know if you find a solution this is driving me nuts
post #11988 of 14941
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Originally Posted by phillydude32 View Post

sorry about that, I was saying that I purchased the 5020 a couple of months ago. I had it calibrated an after calibration, I found that the optimum mode setting to me I thought had a better picture from what he calibrated on the movie mode.

The calibrator, if he did a good job, was adjusting your set to be as close as possible to the standards used to create most movies. It sounds like you like an image with more saturated colors.

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I was also saying that I just purchased the krp 500m model an couldn't wait for it to get delivered an needed advice on breakin.

The 9G settings thread, and the owner's thread is full of debate about how best to do that.

If you don't like a calibrated image then just use common sense for the first 200 hours. Avoid black bars and any fixed images. Try to watch as much full screen material as possible. You might also turn down the contrast setting during that period of time too.
post #11989 of 14941
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Now, I would love to have D-Nice calibrate my TV, but alas I live up in canada around Toronto. Future shop says they now are equiped and trained to calibrate the 6020's, but this is my question.

Will it really make it look that much better, and would you trust them to do a good calibration. Is it worth the $300. I know I could get that controlcal product, but I am not good with computers and settings and have NO IDEA what have the info even means. So could someone please help me out and give me some sound advice.

Thanks guys

I recently had my set calibrated for 60hz and 72hz. And I can assure you that it is worth it. I was in touch with two calibrators in the Toronto are. I only have their e-mails for now:

MarkKaye@avfusion.ca

Mike Osadciw [thehighestfidelity@hotmail.com]

Mark is from the Ottawa area but comes through once in awhile. He did my set. I was in contact with Mike also and he certainly seems competent. From what I could tell, calibrating these sets is not rocket science and it is more about having the proper equipment.

It was well worth the $300.00 I spent as the picture does seem to pop more and the colors are dead on. Keep in mind, it always depends on the signal your TV is getting. I personally find that Rogers Cable is comletely hit and miss with their HD signals. Certain channels are incredible pictures (HBO) and certain ones are terrible. And you can forget expecting a good picture from Standard Definition stations.
post #11990 of 14941
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Originally Posted by jleone01 View Post

I bought my 6020 when they were first released. Love the set need some help with the picture - when watching in a dark room when the screen fades to black you see a variation in the black on the sides on the screen. Looks as if the center of the screen is pure black and the sides are a slight shade lighter. Is there something that I can do to help fix this ?? I called Pioneer and they told me image retention is normal and to be expected. have to say this is a disappointment for a year old set. love everything about it but this color issues is driving me nuts

Do you watch alot of 4:3 televisions with black bars. I was told I could do this and had nothing to worry about for image burn. Nobody set a limitation on the amount of hours. They simply said that plasmas have come along way and it is difficult to give them image burn nowadays. Well it isn't that hard.

This was the case for me. I had to switch to the WIDE/STRETCH mode, for 4:3 television. It's painful to watch. It would have been a deal breaker had I known. I love the TV but in Canada was don't have enough variety in HD and we still watch alot of Standard Definition. I think LCS handles the black bars better but I have not investigated since I now have this TV.

So all I did was started watching Standard Def in that AUTO WIDE mode and I ran the VIDEO PATTERN once a week for awhile. Now is a completely dark room, I really have ot look for it so it has evened out a bit.

NOTE: It never had an effect on picture quality.
post #11991 of 14941
I would also suggest just using the Auto/Wide setting rather than viewing for long periods with black bars...just good insurance. With FiOS, and their 100+ HD stations, we rarely need to watch 4:3, but some HD channels still run 4:3 programming for older series shows.
post #11992 of 14941
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Originally Posted by maglor64 View Post

I have. I was watching Wipeout the other day and after they flash the Wipeout logo before going to commercial it fades to an all black screen. I saved the episode on my Tivo for this purpose. It is definitly visible and I don't like it!


I'll see if I can take a picture of what I am talking about.

In order for me to check on the image burn, I would simply go to an input that is not actually connected and I could see the difference in the middle and the sides. I don't think it would have shown well in a photo though.

As i mentioned above, you can watch SD television with the WIDE mode and try using the VIDEO PATTERN more than normal. I did it every few days for a few weeks and then went to once a week for a month or so and now once a month or so.
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

I would also suggest just using the Auto/Wide setting rather than viewing for long periods with black bars...just good insurance. With FiOS, and their 100+ HD stations, we rarely need to watch 4:3, but some HD channels still run 4:3 programming for older series shows.

We need more competition in Canada. Or a company that will give more HD without charging for every channel.
post #11994 of 14941
O.K., I am unable to take a picture of the phenomena that I am referring to at this time because my father has my camera that has an adjustable shutter speed, so for the time being the following drawings will have to suffice. (And I will try to keep my descriptions as succinct as possible!)

This first drawing is what I see in a totally dark room with either no signal being sent or a black screen signal being sent after watching an image that fills the screen, or when first turning on the TV.


So there is always a smudgy darker area across the top.


This second drawing depicts what I see on a totally black screen right after watching a 2.35:1 movie.


As you can see, the movie image has temporarily cut a clean line so that the previously smudgy darker area is now a distinct darker bar, leaving the rest of the screen a uniform charcoal color. This is the one darker bar that I was describing in my earlier post. When watching a 2.35:1 movie the top bar is noticeably darker (totally black).


In this last drawing I have depicted what I see on a black screen after pushing the “Display” button on my remote. For a few seconds the display words across the top of the screen (“Input”, “HDMI”, and “1080p”) are distinctly visible as lighter spots—actually they become the same charcoal as the bottom ¾ of the screen and are thus clearly visible in the smudgy black area at the top. On the other hand the display words at the bottom (“MOVIE”, “Dot by Dot”) are not visible at all after the display screen.





Although this problem is annoying when looking at a black screen or my default Ps3 screen, it is incredibly distracting when watching 2.35:1 movies, I just keep looking back and forth between the 2 bars… black, charcoal, black, charcoal, black, charcoal… I miss the actual movie content!


I am starting to think that this is not Image Retention, because it does not seem to effect a full screen lit image (although I suspect I could pick it out in scenes where the top part of the movie image is in shadow).

But what is it and will it ever go away?
post #11995 of 14941
What you've posted looks like it would be image retention, and it is not permanent.

Go to Options and run the video pattern.. it will send a white bar scrolling across your screen for an hr and then automatically shut the set off when its finished. Do that and see if the effect is lessened. It should be at least somewhat.

The HDMI will probably go away after you power off your set and power it back on, but the cloudy blackness is normal on a blank display. If you can't see it when displaying actual content, don't worry about it too much.

Another thing that can help is playing fullscreen HD content for a number of hours.
post #11996 of 14941
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Originally Posted by maglor64 View Post

I am starting to think that this is not Image Retention, because it does not seem to effect a full screen lit image (although I suspect I could pick it out in scenes where the top part of the movie image is in shadow).

But what is it and will it ever go away?

The breakin DVD referenced at the beginning of the settings thread is a good way to clean up any image retention if that is what it is. You might try running it continuously (it alternates full color screens) for a while to see if it helps.
post #11997 of 14941
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Originally Posted by jleone01 View Post

I bought my 6020 when they were first released. Love the set need some help with the picture - when watching in a dark room when the screen fades to black you see a variation in the black on the sides on the screen. Looks as if the center of the screen is pure black and the sides are a slight shade lighter. Is there something that I can do to help fix this ?? I called Pioneer and they told me image retention is normal and to be expected. have to say this is a disappointment for a year old set. love everything about it but this color issues is driving me nuts

Just wondering...do you normally watch 4:3 content with black bars on side or do you stretch it across the screen?
post #11998 of 14941
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Originally Posted by maglor64 View Post


I am starting to think that this is not Image Retention, because it does not seem to effect a full screen lit image (although I suspect I could pick it out in scenes where the top part of the movie image is in shadow).

But what is it and will it ever go away?

I have no idea what you are seeing. I tend to agree that it is not simply image retention. I hate to say it but you probably know why the TV was returned in the first place.

If you have time before your expriy date to return it, try that running the Video Pattern a few times and see if it makes it better. Run that break in DVD for a few days too to see. But if I were you I'd return it. I understand you may not find another one but I would never accept something that flawed.
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But what is it and will it ever go away?

I'm curious; what are your brightness and contrast settings?

A_C
post #12000 of 14941
I came here to show my friend Dnice's settings, why were they removed?
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