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Originally Posted by Tas71 View Post

So i'm about to bite the bullet on the 6020 and i'm hearing people getting it for 3ish. my guy wants 3700. do i or don't i for that price. is it too much? what the hell do i do?

And whats the overall feeling other than the picture being great. Any buzzing from newer owners? I think thats what i'm most scared of. Am i just being a biatch!!!! And also big 700 dollar difference from another forum member cause i really need to buy a couple of other gear. AAAARRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!

sorry about my tirade.

Tas

Im a new owner of a 6020 its whisper quiet with no buzz here its more quiet then my Panny 60v10 I had . As far as prices its kind of hard now to shop for bargains because these displays are disappearing . You can always save up for more gear later but you cant for the Pioneer Kuro because there wont be any left and the ones that are the prices will be even higher. This Kuro has the best inky blacks i've ever scene and with only 160 hours logged the PQ keeps getting better . I say buy it and forget about what anyone else payed , that is a fair price and they do have a retail of 5500 . This by far was my most satisfying purchase to this date next to my SVS subs. Everytime I turn on my KURO it puts a smile on my face Buy it and dont look back !
post #13232 of 14945
That's all I needed to hear Factor. Thx. Can't wait.
post #13233 of 14945
I second TheFactor, I love the picture on the 6020, going to have it professionally calibrated eventually but hard to imagine the picture getting any better. I recently watched a scene of a tiger moving against a completely black background, it was stunning, knew right then and there I made the right choice. You won't regret it.
post #13234 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Tas71 View Post

That's all I needed to hear Factor. Thx. Can't wait.

Your welcome and your really going to enjoy it !
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Originally Posted by Egan View Post

I second TheFactor, I love the picture on the 6020, going to have it professionally calibrated eventually but hard to imagine the picture getting any better. I recently watched a scene of a tiger moving against a completely black background, it was stunning, knew right then and there I made the right choice. You won't regret it.

I hear ya im due for a calibration also but I cant imagine it getting any better either but knowing me i'll do it anyway lol .
post #13235 of 14945
Hello all.
What is involved in upgrading electronics of PDP-6020FD to PRO-151FD? I would like to try it with parts 151 when my 6020 runs out of warranty. Having your input would be nice before I take apart my perfectly working TV.

Do service manuals for 6020 and 151 come with complete schematic diagrams?

Thanks,
Alec
post #13236 of 14945
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

Hello all.
What is involved in upgrading electronics of PDP-6020FD to PRO-151FD?

post #13237 of 14945
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

...What is involved in upgrading electronics of PDP-6020FD to PRO-151FD?....

Would you not need to first find out if the glass is the same for both panels? Interesting thought, but I'm assuming it is not just a controller swap.
post #13238 of 14945
I hope service manuals have some answers, but I do not have them yet; hence, my second question.
post #13239 of 14945
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

What is involved in upgrading electronics of PDP-6020FD to PRO-151FD?

That's just crazy talk.

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Do service manuals for 6020 and 151 come with complete schematic diagrams?

Based on my experience with a 9G service manual compared to my ancient Crown service manual no. But there's enough information to service the unit including indicators of parts that can be replaced on boards.
post #13240 of 14945
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

Hello all.
What is involved in “upgrading” electronics of PDP-6020FD to PRO-151FD? I would like to try it with parts 151 when my 6020 runs out of warranty. Having your input would be nice before I take apart my perfectly working TV.

Do service manuals for 6020 and 151 come with complete schematic diagrams?

Thanks,
Alec

It's been asked about before and always seems to involve some complications.

By all indications the panel/hardware is identicial outside of a difference in the color filter and the real difference is implemented in firmware. So if the firmware based upgrade wrinklefree posted about here were ever to work then a software solution would essentially turn a Non-Elite into an Elite just as it has already been done for the Kuro 9G Monitors.

You would have the same net effect without the compatibility concerns and risks of hardware swaps.

Software can brick the unit as well but at least the serial port codes and firmware were designed for these setting changes. Then again if you're more of a hardware guy you might just prefer to tinker with the electronics.
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No I didnt try and talk them down but given the "buy" responses, I plan on doing it. Now the big battle will be putting the 60" in the family room when I've been "negotiating" with the boss to up the size from my current 36" 4:3 to a 50" plasma. Now it could be 60!!!

Wish me luck and thanks for the responses.
post #13242 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Dahlsim View Post

It's been asked about before and always seems to involve some complications.

By all indications the panel/hardware is identicial outside of a difference in the color filter and the real difference is implemented in firmware. So if the firmware based upgrade wrinklefree posted about here were ever to work then a software solution would essentially turn a Non-Elite into an Elite just as it has already been done for the Kuro 9G Monitors.

You would have the same net effect without the compatibility concerns and risks of hardware swaps.

Software can brick the unit as well but at least the serial port codes and firmware were designed for these setting changes. Then again if you're more of a hardware guy you might just prefer to tinker with the electronics.


Well according to a source it appears Pioneer made steps at the factory to prevent people from upgrading their NE's. BUT, there are "a few" units that can be unlocked using Euro firmware, which I'm guessing is either the 5090 or 5090H. However the FW between the two euro models are NOT interchangeable because the "H" units use a different glass panel as well as digital and service panel assemblies, so which one might apply to these "few" 5020fd's is anybody's guess.

In the 5020FD service manual, there's an error code during the FW update (14 flashes) that indicates "destination error" with a description of "The software for a different destination (Europe/North America/Australia) was used for updating." My guess is somewhere along the line Pioneer locked out the ability for the firmware to update other regions, perhaps by searching for some kind of hardware ID.

Warning: I do not recommend anyone attempt to apply the euro FW on their NE's. However if anyone has a broken NE laying around it might not hurt to try. The question remains, which one to apply, the 5090 or 5090H. I'm guessing the update will either get rejected (14 flashes) or something interesting might happen.

EDIT: On 2nd thought the FW would have sent using a loader program via RS232 similar to way 500m's are being "patched".
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^^^^^
If anyone can figure out how to unlock the firmware, that would be great. I wonder if Ebay has broken 5020/6020 available. There was a poll about paying for a firmware upgrade and there are plenty of people willing to pay for it. Where is a disgruntled former Pioneer engineer when you need one? Just kidding.

Mark
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My question was about hardware. I should have put it this way: which boards make Elite Elite.
I can look into my 151 parts unit, but do not want to open my 6020 yet. I guess I would go ahead and buy 6020 service manual first. 151 is not available anyway, but 6020 service manual has 151 in Application by model list.
Thank you gentlemen for your input.
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Just received my KRP600M... AWESOME!!! so much better then my previous V10 that had problem with rising black....

My only concern is that the panel Buzz.... im at about 10 feet.... I can hear it even at a normal listening volume...

Its the only one left.... No dead pixels or other issue......

Is there a way to minimize or reduce that damn buzz ?
post #13246 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Martin_Per View Post

Just received my KRP600M... AWESOME!!! so much better then my previous V10 that had problem with rising black....

My only concern is that the panel Buzz.... im at about 10 feet.... I can hear it even at a normal listening volume...

Its the only one left.... No dead pixels or other issue......

Is there a way to minimize or reduce that damn buzz ?

Powersave 2 usually helps. Also, it can be a matter of acoustics-how your TV is positioned.
post #13247 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Martin_Per View Post

My only concern is that the panel Buzz.... im at about 10 feet.... I can hear it even at a normal listening volume...

The typical response is powersave 2 but "normal" volume should drown out panel buzz. Does the level of buzz change if you move from side to side?

By the way, the KRP monitors are in the Elite family (they have advanced color control).
post #13248 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Martin_Per View Post

Just received my KRP600M... AWESOME!!! so much better then my previous V10 that had problem with rising black....

My only concern is that the panel Buzz.... im at about 10 feet.... I can hear it even at a normal listening volume...

Its the only one left.... No dead pixels or other issue......

Is there a way to minimize or reduce that damn buzz ?

I've had my 6020 for around 18 months now and had it at 3 different houses.

What I've found is the buzz is significantly less noticeable now at our current house. The reason seems to be that the tv room here is much larger and there is no wall directly behind where our couch sits. At the other two houses we had a wall right behind the couch which I think may have been amplifying the buzz or somehow making my ears pick it up more easily.
post #13249 of 14945
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Originally Posted by mr2828 View Post

I've had my 6020 for around 18 months now and had it at 3 different houses.

What I've found is the buzz is significantly less noticeable now at our current house. The reason seems to be that the tv room here is much larger and there is no wall directly behind where our couch sits. At the other two houses we had a wall right behind the couch which I think may have been amplifying the buzz or somehow making my ears pick it up more easily.

Its strange that some buzz and some dont must be the power supply or something although im not complaining because so far knock on would i've had my 6020 for over a month now with a little over 200 hours logged and getting it calibrated Saturday but anyway no buzz its whisper quiet and its about 12" from the wall or less but theres nothing to magnify because again theres no buzz . I just hope it stays this way , my 65v10 panny I had did have a very slight buzz but it wasnt bad you had to get inches away to hear it but anyway I was worried about the Kuro buzzing because of some of the complaints so im pretty happy so far so good maybe I got lucky ! Im wondering if it has to do with the build date i'll have to see if I can get a look at the sticker on the back tomorrow when getting it calibrated .
post #13250 of 14945
My 5020 is installed in an alcove above the equipment cabinet, so that would amplify any buzzing. I have none, even with the panel muted, but that may be from supplying the power through a Panamax conditioner.
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Is anyone planning on trying a calibration with the VideoEQ Pro using HDMI-PC mode on their 5020/6020? Hopefully, there isn't a black level issue using HDMI-PC mode. It appears to be the only mode that might give Movie mode a run for the money. I really appreciate the reports already made about the VideoEQ Pro with the 5020/6020. I think this would be the last request made for a VideoEQ Pro with 5020/6020 calibration since Game mode and Movie mode have already been reviewed. Movie mode still on top for now.

Thanks

Mark
post #13252 of 14945
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

By the way, the KRP monitors are in the Elite family (they have advanced color control).

I'm confused here on whole Elite vs non-Elite thing on the KRP-500M and KRP-600M. Wouldn't Pioneer have labeled the KRP series as Elite if they were considered by Pioneer as part of the Elite family?

I guess the real answer is to post questions about the 500M and the 600M in the thread specifically for those two models.

I posted about the KRP-500M here and got told I was posting in the wrong thread. My TV doesn't say Elite on it anywhere and I even checked the Pioneer website and they don't call it an Elite either.

If I post about my Pontiac Vibe on a Pontiac forum they don't tell me to go to a Toyota forum because Toyota made the vehicle for Pontiac.
post #13253 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

My 5020 is installed in an alcove above the equipment cabinet, so that would amplify any buzzing. I have none, even with the panel muted, but that may be from supplying the power through a Panamax conditioner.

Good point as I mentioned above mine is whisper quiet the only thing I can hear when theres no audio in my mini HT is my bluray player and Like you im running my 6020 display threw a Furman Elite 21PFi power conditioner. Although i've heard complaints about the buzz on non elites it seems that theres more with Elite models for some reason I wonder if its because the Elites have more whistles and buzz I mean bells
post #13254 of 14945
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

Its strange that some buzz and some dont must be the power supply or something

Panel buzz is not power supply buzz.

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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

I have none, even with the panel muted, but that may be from supplying the power through a Panamax conditioner.

Nope.
post #13255 of 14945
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Originally Posted by belfert View Post

I'm confused here on whole Elite vs non-Elite thing on the KRP-500M and KRP-600M.

The KRP models are equivalent to the Signature Elites (they use the same service manual and largely the same parts).

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Wouldn't Pioneer have labeled the KRP series as Elite if they were considered by Pioneer as part of the Elite family?

Pioneer marketing is mysterious. The distinguishing features between the Elites and the non-Elites displays are the modes and the picture controls.

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If I post about my Pontiac Vibe on a Pontiac forum they don't tell me to go to a Toyota forum because Toyota made the vehicle for Pontiac.

You didn't post to a "Pontiac" forum. You posted in the "Saab" forum and said "But they're both by GM".

Of course unlike Pontiacs and Kuros the Saab brand lives on.
post #13256 of 14945
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Panel buzz is not power supply buzz.


Nope.

Bummer was hoping it was a easy fix for those suffering from that issue .
post #13257 of 14945
Well the beast finally arrived last night. The pdp 6020fd

First of all I want to thank everyone on this forum for all the help.

First question:

I noticed that when i installed the stand, there is extra space between bottom of panel and stand. I see an extra hole on either side of stand where screws would go in. I am assuming that space is for the speaker if anyone wanted to attach it. I do not plan to. When I slid the stand into the panel, it wouldn't slide all the way in. Do I have to do anything for it to fully go in so it sits lower closer to the stand?

This tv is huge. Unfortunately the stand is coming next week so it is currently sitting on the floor off to my right as I watch my current tv. That stand cannot come soon enough. I put on a couple of things to make sure it worked and beautiful. I am sure it will get much better with some time put in.

I also complimented this tv with the denon 2310 and a new Harmony One remote(awesome by the way) and a ps3 remote adapter so one remote for all my needs. Also Planet Earth. Yipee!!!

Thx Factor for the kick in the behind to jump on board. So far I did not hear any buzzing whatsoever. I didn't have it on for too long though and it's sitting on the floor in front of couch.

Did I mention how huge this panel is? I'll take some pics when the whole system is put together.

Thx again to everybody.

Tas
post #13258 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Tas71 View Post

Well the beast finally arrived last night. The pdp 6020fd

First of all I want to thank everyone on this forum for all the help.

First question:

I noticed that when i installed the stand, there is extra space between bottom of panel and stand. I see an extra hole on either side of stand where screws would go in. I am assuming that space is for the speaker if anyone wanted to attach it. I do not plan to. When I slid the stand into the panel, it wouldn't slide all the way in. Do I have to do anything for it to fully go in so it sits lower closer to the stand?

This tv is huge. Unfortunately the stand is coming next week so it is currently sitting on the floor off to my right as I watch my current tv. That stand cannot come soon enough. I put on a couple of things to make sure it worked and beautiful. I am sure it will get much better with some time put in.

I also complimented this tv with the denon 2310 and a new Harmony One remote(awesome by the way) and a ps3 remote adapter so one remote for all my needs. Also Planet Earth. Yipee!!!

Thx Factor for the kick in the behind to jump on board. So far I did not hear any buzzing whatsoever. I didn't have it on for too long though and it's sitting on the floor in front of couch.

Did I mention how huge this panel is? I'll take some pics when the whole system is put together.

Thx again to everybody.

Tas

Congrats and your very welcome ! Good choice im excited for you and you'll love it more everyday. As far as the stand mount goes I had mine setup so dont know the configuration . I would for sure have it calibrated I just got mine done yesterday and OMG its even better I wasnt going to do it because it looked so good before but it was included in a package deal at BB with a black tie 5 year warranty, delivery with setup and calibration . I was going to have one of our well known and valued avs forum member do the calibration but because it was a package deal I got and included I decided to just let the BB calibrator do it and I got lucky and got a experienced one and he did a sweet job the detail is jaw dropping now . I recommend using the movie mode for starters while your breaking it in its the most accurate but with a little less pop as far as colors go and during the day optimum is decent. Theres some D-NICE setting threads on here for safe break ins without using the cd's . I didnt use any just his settings and my Display broke in beautifully and couldnt be happier. So again enjoy and much congrats you are now the proud owner of the last of the Ferrari of Displays ! BTW if it doent buzz now you should be ok because they will normaly buzz from the get go if its a buzzer . Mines whisper quiet to and have over 300 hours logged now and it still is so looks like we got a couple of good ones ! KNOCK ON WOOD LOL
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Thx again Factor. Can't wait for the tv stand to show up next saturday. I have so many boxes around the house, i know wifey will start soon. lol. I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw the size of the box. Is there a way to check the hours on this puppy?
post #13260 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Tas71 View Post

Thx again Factor. Can't wait for the tv stand to show up next saturday. I have so many boxes around the house, i know wifey will start soon. lol. I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw the size of the box. Is there a way to check the hours on this puppy?

YW The Only way I know of to check the hours is in the service menu I watched the calibrator do it yesterday but I wouldnt recommend trying to yourself and I havent got the slightest idea how . I just wrote my hours down on a daily log so I knew when I hit 200 so I could get it calibrated . Make sure you save your box as im sure you know . I've got a spare room in my house filled with every factory box for all my HT components there very good to have for resale and any warranty work and for sure the 60" is a great size I think it gives you a good balance of PQ and size for A great HT effect .
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