The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 458

Originally Posted by ArmyMan

JJ7
that's pretty close to what I did when I took mine out of the box.
In the box it was in the stand.
I undid the screws holding it to the stand
attached the wall mount to the back of the tv
then lifted it off the stand.
Is up on the wall working fine.

Paul

Originally Posted by jmmesch

TV Guide is antenna-broadcast only.

Originally Posted by avnstf

yes, but I don't see any controls or buttons that lead to setting it up or seeing the guide...?

(And the manual I downloaded from the web doesn't seem to mention it, unless it's in some appendix that I left out...)

Originally Posted by jmmesch

I used it on my now dead-and-gone 150. My warranty replaced by Pioneer new 151 has no antenna hooked up, so I can't help more. Sorry.

Originally Posted by htwaits

Do you mean the 141 monitor?

Originally Posted by replicants

I purchasd a Pioneer 6020 a few months ago and noticed what I believe to be uneven wear on the left and right side of the screen. I noticed it last night when I turned the tv off (right before it completely powered down). You can see light colored pillars on the left and right side which I assume is from 4:3 content. My wife normally has 4:3 content on a few hours a day for the kids but I assumed I wouldn't have any issues has we still watch plenty of HD content. I didn't have the auto stretch option on but went ahead and changed it now (never had to in the past with my other Kuro's). The puzzling thing is that I have had a few Kuro's in the last couple of years (5020, 500m, 600m) and never had this type of problem This is the first time I have had IR on a Kuro and that includes playing quite a few games on them. I am worried though that it is actually burn-in and won't go away. That would kill me so hopefully it does go away with time.

Again I have only had the set for a little over 3 months. I broke it in properly and it is been professionally calibrated. I do also notice that once the set powers up completely, you can't see the IR at all. It's only during the initial start up (the first few seconds) or right before it powers down that you see the uneven wear (looks inky in the middle and light on the left and right side). So if you are watching a blu-ray with a black background, it looks uniform all the way across.

Am I screwed?

Originally Posted by AlanBuck

Since you can't see it during normal use I doubt you have anything major to worry about, BUT I would certainly stretch all 4:3 material going forward, or use the grey side bars with such material. I would call this slight issue a warning. Better safe than sorry! Several hours a day of black pillar bars may be a bit too much over time.

Originally Posted by jmmesch

No, the just less then 2 year Pro-150FD was replaced with a Pro-151FD.

Originally Posted by vinnie97

What kind of value would folks say the 50" model is holding today? I'm trying to get an estimate on how to price it fairly for a sale. $1700 is the lowest I've gone so far (lightly used, no smoking environment, warranty expired, professionally calibrated). I'm thinking that may be a hard sell with competitor pricing for new models today.

Originally Posted by replicants

...For some reason the auto stretch option on the kuro doesn't work well with my uverse box....

Originally Posted by AlanBuck

I just paid $2150 for a 6020 inch in great shape. I would agree that $1700 is pretty high for a 50 given todays prices. I probably paid too much for the 60 too, but if I get a few good years service I did ok. The scary part is no warranty, but the good news is these things are quite reliable for the most part.

Originally Posted by Jim Hef

How long are you waiting for it to recognize the 4:3 and then switch? It does take a few seconds. While I have the Motorola box for FiOS, I have no problem with Auto screen size, and use it.

Originally Posted by Egan

Got my 6020 calibrated by D-Nice on Sunday.

Originally Posted by replicants

Thank for the reply. I ran the video pattern yesterday for about 6 hours and watched full screen content all day. I could still see the light colored pillars on the left and right side when I checked late last night. For some reason the auto stretch option on the kuro doesn't work well with my uverse box. I have to manual select wide on 4:3 content to stretch it across the screen.

I showed my wife last night and she thought at first that I was exaggerating or going into OCD mode like I have in the past. She felt bad after seeing it as I have been reminding her to stretch any 4:3 content. At the same time though, I honestly don't believe she has been just leaving it with black bars for hours a day. Also, I remember checking the screen in complete darkness a little over a month ago and it being uniform which is why this is even more annoying after discovering it yesterday.

It's definitely uneven panel aging but I hope it eventually goes away. I found a few posts from another user with the same issue about a year ago. He stated he could barely see it after a few months of watching full content and running the video pattern weekly. He also could not see it with any content at all when he discovered it.

When I checked late last night I got excited as it looked like it had faded. After the 3-5 second boot up though (or when you switch to another input), the screen dims to it's normal level and then goes completely black until it gets a source. Well when the screen dims, you see the light sections on the left and right with the dark image in the middle. Again you don't see anything once a source is turned on. I can't see anything when watching a movie or playing a game. I looked and it's impossible to detect. Thats good at least but it still makes me sick to my stomach especially after owning a few kuro's in the past and never having this issue. It makes me question the bullet proof nature of the Kuro's when it comes to IR/burn in. At the same time though, I realize I would be screwed right now if I had any other plasma brand but a Pioneer (with it being very easy to spot especially with content).

Sorry to drag the post out but I am depressed about this, no two ways about it . I don't blame my wife but she acknowledges that she probably wasn't proactive enough about stretching the screen when I was gone. It's not like we have had the set long though which is even more disconcerting. I could understand if she had been watching 4:3 content 8 hours a day for 6-12 months but we are talking 1-2 months of light 4:3 content (a few hours a day and definitely not every day, plus we watch a ton of hd content each night). She actually doesn't even have the tv on more than a few ours a day if that when I am at work. I guess it added up over time though .

So I have to decide if I can live with it as I can't detect it at all during viewing or just sell it and move on. I can't get another 60" Kuro especially at what I payed a few months ago. I could get a 50" 101 but that would be hard to drop back down to a smaller size. Regardless Kuro's are scarce so that probably wouldn't be an option. There isn't really another good alternative and LCD's seem to be inferior to me (if the black levels were better and I could get a uniform screen, I would definitely consider one). I have contemplated abandoning plasma all together so I wouldn't have to worry about this IR/Burn in stuff anymore.

I guess I will just keep running the video pattern and see if it fades. I already have a few people that want to buy it regardless of the uneven aging as they don't think it's that big of a deal (or maybe they aren't as OCD as me ). It's hard for me because I payed a lot of money for it and feel it is damaged now. Sorry for going on about this but it just makes me sick to my stomach knowing that I could have done something about it. I have always been on top of IR issues ever since I got my first Pioneer plasma 3 years ago (4280). Over time, I realized I never got IR on the Pioneer line so I worried about it less and less.

Well I guess I got sloppy and that's probably the best way to word it.

Originally Posted by lakinsdad

I Absolutely love the whole 9g pioneer line of Tv's. I own a 6020 and a pro101. The 6020 was calibrated by Dnice. THe 101fd is still not calibrated. I have an opportunity to buy a KRP 500m.

I have no need whatsoever for another TV but want to buy this one anyway from a Guy in Baltimore, MD.

It was a display model . Is in Mint condition , has about 300 hours on it. What I want to know is how much is too much for this set?

I want to buy it for investment purposes only. Or to just own another pioneer plasma. He still has the box and everything for it. He wants 2700 for it. Too much?

Originally Posted by wrinklefree

If the wipe doesn't get rid of it, you can attempt to age the side panels by running a negative pattern, that is something similar to break in slides but only lights up the side areas while keeping the center black. I'm sure you can whip up something in photoshop and run it for a few hours and see if you can balance out the panel evenly again.

Frankly I'm surprised the wipe didn't fix your issue.