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post #14251 of 14945
My April 2010 acquired new 151 has no DSE!
post #14252 of 14945
DSE is annoying but not enough to stop the enjoyment of my tv
post #14253 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Darth Cardo View Post

I hate it, that and dithering are the only reasons I would ditch my 9G Kuro.
While I still think that Kuros are the best screens to date, I'm really hoping Panasonic can match Pioneer blacks next year to upgrade my TV.

I really hate the dirty screen effect.-

DSE is the only issue on mine too that bugs me. I hate watching HGTV..all the panning up and down on light solid colored walls really shows it. On most movies and tv shows though it is seldom noticed. Still the best overall tv I have seen to date though.
post #14254 of 14945
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Originally Posted by b_rad4 View Post

For those of you with Dirty Screen Effect, now that you have owned your tv for a few years, does it still bother you or have you completely tuned it out and no longer notice it?

I can see it on mine, but I'm pretty much used to, and to be honest I see the effect so often on actual cineplex movie screens that I just tell myself it's helping bring the theater experience home!!!!
post #14255 of 14945
I'm looking at the parts list for the PDP-5020FD and I'm not sure what part number is the plasma's glass panel. My Kuro's screen cracked (It kind of looks like it happened inside and it is hard to see unless light is directed at it). I was wondering if they had the Glass Panel part available for purchase.

Here is the parts page:
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/...Num=PDP-5020FD

If anybody can help me it would be appreciated.
post #14256 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Trojita View Post

I'm looking at the parts list for the PDP-5020FD and I'm not sure what part number is the plasma's glass panel. My Kuro's screen cracked (It kind of looks like it happened inside and it is hard to see unless light is directed at it). I was wondering if they had the Glass Panel part available for purchase.

Here is the parts page:
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/...Num=PDP-5020FD

If anybody can help me it would be appreciated.

Is your set still working ok? If not it will cost a fortune for a new panel (as in several thousand)...you could buy a new set for half the cost. The panel is one piece..the glass is part of the panel. If you have to have another Kuro your best bet is keep an eye on Craigs List..they tend to pop up for sale now and then. ( I bought a 6020 late last summer on there for $2150...so far it's been good)
post #14257 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Trojita View Post

I'm looking at the parts list for the PDP-5020FD and I'm not sure what part number is the plasma's glass panel. My Kuro's screen cracked (It kind of looks like it happened inside and it is hard to see unless light is directed at it). I was wondering if they had the Glass Panel part available for purchase.

Here is the parts page:
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/...Num=PDP-5020FD

If anybody can help me it would be appreciated.


This $2,312.39 part, is the part you would need to replace a cracked panel. Also note that they show it, and also both of it's even more expensive alternate/substitute part numbers, as not being available

http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/...uctNum=AWU1339
post #14258 of 14945
I've actually been in talks with the head supervisor of Pioneers Warranty and Repair service. They can get me the substitute/replacement part that would be more expensive. The part retails for $2463.45. They were going to give me a special price of $1660.84 plus tax and shipping.

Before I found this out I had already ordered a Sony XBR 55HX929 yesterday.

Also there is no Kuro's being sold in my area, which is disappointing.

I'm in a conundrum of what to do at this point.

Should I pay for the panel and have it shipped, try and get a repair place to install it for me and cancel the order for the Sony 55HX929? Would the repair place even want to come and install it if they couldn't make a profit from marking up the part themselves? How much would it cost? I would also be taking a risk, is this the thing that would really fix the Kuro, or is there something else wrong with it that would make itself not turn on?

If I would get the replacement panel I would probably go all the way and get that part to turn it into an elite. I'm not very electronic savvy so I would probably need my Dad's help installing it. I'm worried that if I tried to do it after I get the panel replaced, whether the glass might break from trying to install that component though. There is always the alternative of putting that component in to turn it into an Elite before the glass panel is replaced, but I know with working with computers that it's not always best to change too many things when you are trying to fix a problem already.

Do I just get the Sony 55HX929?
post #14259 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Trojita View Post

Should I pay for the panel and have it shipped, try and get a repair place to install it for me ...

Find out if someone will do it and how much it will cost. If that works for you, have them install the Elite board at the same time. That's probably going to total out over $2,000.
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Do I just get the Sony 55HX929?

If you can't tie down the above suggestion, the Sony sounds better to me than you and your Dad risking another $2,000 and still not have a display.
post #14260 of 14945
Been a while since I've popped in here. Still using my 5020.

I just today helped a friend purchase a new TV and spent a good four hours in a couple AV shops with my test equipment running through the latest models. I had always suspected that the Pioneer was still a match for the best on the market, but I was surprised to learn that it is actually quite superior.

The plasmas were incredibly disappointing to me. All of the plasmas I tested exhibited image noise and motion issues that simply are not present on the Pioneer. The LG and Samsung plasmas were just shameful in comparison while the Panasonic continues to exhibit problems present in all Panasonic plasmas since 2006! I was really expecting the top end Panasonic 3D plasmas to have eliminated the "dancing pixels" issue used to form gradients, but it still remains. All of the plasmas exhibited noise when motion began (as if the color depth decreases when the picture begins to move).

LCDs have improved dramatically since I've last tested, but still seem to suffer from a lot of issues. So many of the LCDs out there work so hard to hide the fact that the black levels are still poor. A lot of dynamic features are enabled by default that attempt to regulate the brightness based on how bright the image is to give the impression of a richer black level. Disabling all of this revealed that they just can't pull of a truly rich black. Even the high density LED grids with local dimming couldn't really delivering what I had expected. Disappointing indeed. Furthermore, LCDs still can't seem to handle non-native resolutions as well. Along with all of the HD tests I ran, I also brought along a 240p source. I know, it seems silly to expect a modern HDTV to handle 240p content, but it's still revealing. Out of every single display I tested, only the Panasonic plasmas and the Mitsubishi DLP sets actually managed to render an appealing image. The majority of displays (especially) LCDs mangled the image and framerate. Some of the displays actually delivered 240p content with the appearance of less than the 60 fps they really offer. Terrible de-interlacing.

So, yes, it was an interesting trip indeed. It also has me concerned about what I might do should my Pioneer fail me. All of the current displays seem to focus on a slimmer profile, energy efficiency, and 3D. Picture quality has not seen a significant jump since 2008 on the plasma front and LCDs, while improved, still have a ways to go. Just my opinion, of course, but I really was anticipating some real winners and came away disappointed.
post #14261 of 14945
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Originally Posted by dark1x View Post

Just my opinion, of course, but I really was anticipating some real winners and came away disappointed.

You're not alone. I am grateful mine is relatively new, acquired 4/2010. But what's next? Who knows!
post #14262 of 14945
funny, was just reading this today, probably a repost...

Will any 2011 TV best the 2008 Pioneer Kuro?
post #14263 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post
funny, was just reading this today, probably a repost...

Will any 2011 TV best the 2008 Pioneer Kuro?
Nothing but the 2008 Kuro displays have bested the 2007 Kuro displays.
post #14264 of 14945
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trojita View Post

I've actually been in talks with the head supervisor of Pioneers Warranty and Repair service. They can get me the substitute/replacement part that would be more expensive. The part retails for $2463.45. They were going to give me a special price of $1660.84 plus tax and shipping.

Before I found this out I had already ordered a Sony XBR 55HX929 yesterday.

Also there is no Kuro's being sold in my area, which is disappointing.

I'm in a conundrum of what to do at this point.

Should I pay for the panel and have it shipped, try and get a repair place to install it for me and cancel the order for the Sony 55HX929? Would the repair place even want to come and install it if they couldn't make a profit from marking up the part themselves? How much would it cost? I would also be taking a risk, is this the thing that would really fix the Kuro, or is there something else wrong with it that would make itself not turn on?

If I would get the replacement panel I would probably go all the way and get that part to turn it into an elite. I'm not very electronic savvy so I would probably need my Dad's help installing it. I'm worried that if I tried to do it after I get the panel replaced, whether the glass might break from trying to install that component though. There is always the alternative of putting that component in to turn it into an Elite before the glass panel is replaced, but I know with working with computers that it's not always best to change too many things when you are trying to fix a problem already.

Do I just get the Sony 55HX929?

I would not spend that much to fix it..too risky. You can buy a new 60 inch Panny 1080p for 1500.00, and while not quite a Kuro it would be a very nice set for less than the PART to fix yours. I think installing a new panel is not a do it yourself project. I would either buy a new set of your choice (although I would think you would have preferred a new Panny or Samsung plasma to the Sony LCD), or look for a used Kuro on Craigs List. Should cost no more than the gamble on the new panel and you would know it was working when you look at it. Good luck.
post #14265 of 14945
Quote:
Originally Posted by dark1x View Post

Been a while since I've popped in here. Still using my 5020.

I just today helped a friend purchase a new TV and spent a good four hours in a couple AV shops with my test equipment running through the latest models. I had always suspected that the Pioneer was still a match for the best on the market, but I was surprised to learn that it is actually quite superior.

The plasmas were incredibly disappointing to me. All of the plasmas I tested exhibited image noise and motion issues that simply are not present on the Pioneer. The LG and Samsung plasmas were just shameful in comparison while the Panasonic continues to exhibit problems present in all Panasonic plasmas since 2006! I was really expecting the top end Panasonic 3D plasmas to have eliminated the "dancing pixels" issue used to form gradients, but it still remains. All of the plasmas exhibited noise when motion began (as if the color depth decreases when the picture begins to move).

LCDs have improved dramatically since I've last tested, but still seem to suffer from a lot of issues. So many of the LCDs out there work so hard to hide the fact that the black levels are still poor. A lot of dynamic features are enabled by default that attempt to regulate the brightness based on how bright the image is to give the impression of a richer black level. Disabling all of this revealed that they just can't pull of a truly rich black. Even the high density LED grids with local dimming couldn't really delivering what I had expected. Disappointing indeed. Furthermore, LCDs still can't seem to handle non-native resolutions as well. Along with all of the HD tests I ran, I also brought along a 240p source. I know, it seems silly to expect a modern HDTV to handle 240p content, but it's still revealing. Out of every single display I tested, only the Panasonic plasmas and the Mitsubishi DLP sets actually managed to render an appealing image. The majority of displays (especially) LCDs mangled the image and framerate. Some of the displays actually delivered 240p content with the appearance of less than the 60 fps they really offer. Terrible de-interlacing.

So, yes, it was an interesting trip indeed. It also has me concerned about what I might do should my Pioneer fail me. All of the current displays seem to focus on a slimmer profile, energy efficiency, and 3D. Picture quality has not seen a significant jump since 2008 on the plasma front and LCDs, while improved, still have a ways to go. Just my opinion, of course, but I really was anticipating some real winners and came away disappointed.

Coming from a 111FD owner here. I had my viewing panel take a crap on me and dealing still with extended warranty. They sent me a Panny VT30 which is a great TV but just not in the level of a Elite Kuro.

Regarding your statement on black levels on LCD being bad. The blacks on the new Sony 929 are right on par with my older Kuro, if not even deeper when viewing on axis. They are much inkier than the Panny. No artifiacts on the 929 when watching 1080p sources. You should check out the Sony buddy. It's a great display which I will most likely return my new plasma for.
post #14266 of 14945
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Originally Posted by davemelo View Post

Coming from a 111FD owner here. I had my viewing panel take a crap on me and dealing still with extended warranty. They sent me a Panny VT30 which is a great TV but just not in the level of a Elite Kuro.

Regarding your statement on black levels on LCD being bad. The blacks on the new Sony 929 are right on par with my older Kuro, if not even deeper when viewing on axis. They are much inkier than the Panny. No artifiacts on the 929 when watching 1080p sources. You should check out the Sony buddy. It's a great display which I will most likely return my new plasma for.

The off axis viewing angles suck on the Sony though...choose your poison..lol Plus the Sony seems very expensive for its size.
post #14267 of 14945
Quote:
Originally Posted by davemelo View Post

Coming from a 111FD owner here. I had my viewing panel take a crap on me and dealing still with extended warranty. They sent me a Panny VT30 which is a great TV but just not in the level of a Elite Kuro.

Regarding your statement on black levels on LCD being bad. The blacks on the new Sony 929 are right on par with my older Kuro, if not even deeper when viewing on axis. They are much inkier than the Panny. No artifiacts on the 929 when watching 1080p sources. You should check out the Sony buddy. It's a great display which I will most likely return my new plasma for.

Oh yeah, I didn't get to test the new 929. Was very curious about that one.

It sounds great, but I'll have to try it before forming an opinion. I've heard that there is still some blooming present as a result of the local dimming.
post #14268 of 14945
I'm hanging onto my 9G kuro until something better comes along, if there ever is anything that will be better.
post #14269 of 14945
I recently bought a pro-151fd, but do not have the stand for it and I do not want to wall mount it. Does anyone know of a TV stand or any other solutions that might work?
post #14270 of 14945
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Originally Posted by AlexA6404 View Post

I recently bought a pro-151fd, but do not have the stand for it and I do not want to wall mount it. Does anyone know of a TV stand or any other solutions that might work?


You could look into those stands that have the mount built in so it looks wall mounted, but isn't. You run all cables up the post holding the mount so they are concealed. I've personally never used one, but set up one for my sister and they love it.

The only issue could be finding one that will support a 60" (a heavy one at that), but I'm sure there are some out there.
post #14271 of 14945
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Originally Posted by AlexA6404 View Post

I recently bought a pro-151fd, but do not have the stand for it and I do not want to wall mount it. Does anyone know of a TV stand or any other solutions that might work?

Does the 6020 stand fit your model? If so I might sell you mine since I am not using it.
post #14272 of 14945
I don't think so. As I understand, the 6020 stands up higher due to the location of the speaker. Ideally, I'll be able to find a pro-151fd stand for my TV. But, is anyone Knows of any other solutions, I would very much appreciate comments.
post #14273 of 14945
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Originally Posted by AlexA6404 View Post

I recently bought a pro-151fd, but do not have the stand for it and I do not want to wall mount it. Does anyone know of a TV stand or any other solutions that might work?

I found one for my Pro-151 display (paid $150 shipped; it was a customer-return, open box affair, but it was originally listed at $500+ MSRP. Got lucky! ), which was bought from an on-line vendor. Can't remember who I got it from right now, but will look for the invoice and post info here later.

The stand is made out square steel tubing, which is painted glossy black, having three "smoke" colored tempered glass shelves. Is a heavy mother to be sure, but very well built and quite attractive to boot. The good old KURO display sure looks quite at home atop it!...

-thts
post #14274 of 14945
Thank ulyou for the post, frank. It will be quite helpful if you can find out the make and model if the stand. Also, did you have to make any modifications to it or did it fit you pro-151fd as is?
post #14275 of 14945
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Originally Posted by AlexA6404 View Post

Thank ulyou for the post, frank. It will be quite helpful if you can find out the make and model if the stand. Also, did you have to make any modifications to it or did it fit you pro-151fd as is?

Am still trying to find who I got the stand from; give me sometime.

No, did no alterations whatever, and the 151 fits very nicely...with its speakers attached too.
These displays need to be lifted up to about where mid screen is at eye level, methinks (ymmv, tho), and this stand does it well.

By the way...the only thing wrong with it was a hard plastic cap missing from the bottom of one of the 6-legs; no biggy, tho!
Still can't believe I managed to find it so cheap!...

-thts
post #14276 of 14945
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Originally Posted by AlexA6404 View Post

Thank ulyou for the post, frank. It will be quite helpful if you can find out the make and model if the stand. Also, did you have to make any modifications to it or did it fit you pro-151fd as is?

...still am unable to locate the invoice and didn't save the info on my pc, but you might want to check these on-line vendors:

Officeforniture.com and Entertaiment Center Spot.

They carry a lot of stuff, so you might find something suitable.

Anyway, will keep trying to locate that darn piece of paper!...

-thts
post #14277 of 14945
Thank you, Frank. Does anyone know if the Pioneer PDK-1015 works with the PRO-151FD?
post #14278 of 14945
I have a PDK-1015 that works perfectly on a Pioneer 6010FD with the bottom speaker removed. I am almost certain that it would work for a 151FD. In my opinion it is a much nicer stand. It weighs 22 lbs. I also picked up a PDK-TS15U that I am planning on using for my 6020FD E-lite without the bottom speaker. I haven't tried that one yet but checked the manual online and feel that it will with the 151FD as well. It weighs 22 lbs as well.
post #14279 of 14945
I have the opportunity to buy a 5010 kuro used but in great condition. Any words of wisdom? How much should i pay for it? Thanks!
post #14280 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Cinema626 View Post

I have the opportunity to buy a 5010 kuro used but in great condition. Any words of wisdom? How much should i pay for it? Thanks!

...so long as it works as it should...offer seller $1500 and see what happens...

-thts
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