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Well I joined the Kuro game late, but ended up with a deal I couldn't refuse from Craigslist. I've been an owner of a 55" Panny ST30 for the last year, but immediately put that up for sale after getting the 6020FD; overall, it has met my expectations, and I have had very high ones, as I haven't had the opportunity to observe a Kuro under this setting (at home, with time). I have a couple of comments/questions.

1. Though the contrast/color is A LOT better, the sharpness from HD OTA signals that I receive through my Xbox 360 (via my computer's TV tuner) is not as sharp/crisp as it was with my Panasonic. I'm assuming this has to do with the modern video tech found in the ST30. I currently own a Denon 1712, which only does HDMI pass through. Do you think a receiver that uses tech to upgrade 720p/1080i images (specifically from OTA broadcasts) would perhaps "deal" with the problem? I'm thinking so, but I have never been clear on whether or not that upconverting would affect images from an Xbox, which is connected via HDMI, and says "1080p" on the television.

2. Is it me, or does the movie mode seem a little lacking? Tears didn't come to my eyes, while watching Planet Earth, until I switched over to Sport/Game modes. Would these be considered "torch modes"? The picture was on constant POP mode while watching the Avengers in Game mode. I've never experienced POP like this--I've only read about it. What a delight.

3. For the non-professionals out there who don't have an engineering degree, is "fiddling with" ControlCal worth the trouble?

4. Has anyone played with that Darbee device I've been reading about, lately? I wasn't even aware of its existence until this last week. I wonder if that might be worth looking into, or getting a receiver that can upconvert images be the ticket?
post #14612 of 14941
HTNUT1975, you can swap a board inside your 6020FD (or add a Register to your existing board) to give your 9G NE the same calibration ability as the 9G Elites (151FD) including the ISFccc Interface. There are a couple of users on this Forum that have the boards.. I'll also PM you their info.
post #14613 of 14941
I purchased my Kuro 5020FD in 2009 and it's been a great tv...until I turned it on last week and noticed two vertical bands of pixels that appeared to be stuck/slow to change. I'd estimate the columns to be about 10-12 inches long and about 1 inch wide in the upper right half of the screen. The columns vanish depending on the background but are visible most of the time. I had it taken to an authorized repair store and they told me it would require a new panel. Does this sound correct? If the Kuro is shot what is a comparable replacement? I really like this TV but can't justify the cost of replacing the panel.

Thanks
post #14614 of 14941
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Originally Posted by RBremen View Post

I purchased my Kuro 5020FD in 2009 and it's been a great tv...until I turned it on last week and noticed two vertical bands of pixels that appeared to be stuck/slow to change. I'd estimate the columns to be about 10-12 inches long and about 1 inch wide in the upper right half of the screen. The columns vanish depending on the background but are visible most of the time. I had it taken to an authorized repair store and they told me it would require a new panel. Does this sound correct? If the Kuro is shot what is a comparable replacement? I really like this TV but can't justify the cost of replacing the panel.
Thanks

Bummer. According to Tom Norton's recent review, the Panasonic "VT" series of plasma panels is very close to the last of the great Elite series, so it should be a suitable replacement for the 9G non-elite models.

www.hometheater.com/content/panasonic-tc-p65vt50-3d-plasma-hdtv

Mark
post #14615 of 14941
Does Pioneer even have replacement panels for their various plasma models? I have a KRP-600M and I figured that if something happened to the picture, or part of it, I'd just be "up the creek."
post #14616 of 14941
Supposedly...they quoted a price of $3100. I really hate the idea of having to get another TV...especially since it's not close enough to Christmas to get a good deal and Super Bowl is even further out. I was hoping someone would say "Hey, just get board X or part X and replace it" but it doesn't sound like that's going to be an option. I guess I'll have to start looking at the panny plasmas...might even look at LCD although the Kuro has spoiled me with the PQ. Most of my TV watching is cable and movies...no gaming.
post #14617 of 14941
The 65" Panny VT50 is here on sale
post #14618 of 14941
So after two years of dutiful service, my 6020fd appears to have bitten the dust. The picture went out this morning and the set will not turn back on.....the front red LED light blinks two times in a cycle. Does anybody have a link to the full service manual? All I seem to be getting in a search is dummy links or paid downloads.

I believe the two red lights was related to the "Y assy" or perhaps the power supply....curious if there is a means to narrow it down more so I can buy the correct board. I read a couple of posts in the E-Lite thread about somebody getting the same error and replacing power supply only to find out that wasn't really the issue.

Anybody else have experience with the two light error code with a 9g non-elite?

Also, I figure while i'm back there eventually replacing a board, I should just go ahead and do the E-Lite conversion as well. Who still has these boards for sale if anybody?

Thx.
post #14619 of 14941
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

So after two years of dutiful service, my 6020fd appears to have bitten the dust. The picture went out this morning and the set will not turn back on.....the front red LED light blinks two times in a cycle. Does anybody have a link to the full service manual? All I seem to be getting in a search is dummy links or paid downloads.
I believe the two red lights was related to the "Y assy" or perhaps the power supply....curious if there is a means to narrow it down more so I can buy the correct board. I read a couple of posts in the E-Lite thread about somebody getting the same error and replacing power supply only to find out that wasn't really the issue.
Anybody else have experience with the two light error code with a 9g non-elite?
Also, I figure while i'm back there eventually replacing a board, I should just go ahead and do the E-Lite conversion as well. Who still has these boards for sale if anybody?
Thx.


i would start with the power supply. Most likely that's your culprit. Good move on the E-lite upgrade, its well worth it!

post #14620 of 14941
Oh hey there,

I'm in a bit of a bind here. Tomorrow I have an appointment with a service technician coming to take a look at my 5020FD. I have to remove it from the wall so he can put his hands all over her, possibly open her up. Basically I purchased the 4 year service plan and have placed a work order because it's shutting off randomly with an on screen error code. It said something about an audio/circuit short and was shutting down as a result (It seemed to only happen when I was playing PS3 (through HDMI), namely BF3), then I would wait a few seconds and turn it on again and it would be fine all night, sometimes a few days but was really starting to get on my nerves. A few weeks ago it was shutting off at least once a night but it hasn't for a while, I was going to try and take a picture of the error code as it would help my case a little, although I do want to keep it, the service plan is only for a few more months and I'm worried it'll die just after.


They claimed the service plan would replace the TV by specs, not price or as close as they could get to match.

I'm wondering if it's a common issue that someone could clarify a little because I'm not sure what to tell the technician tomorrow, other than it shuts off after some error code come on screen.

Any help is much appreciated.


(woah, sig is way out of date, lol)
post #14621 of 14941
http://www.orpheuscomputing.com/electronics/Pioneer_Kuro_PDP-5020FD_error_codes.pdf

I've been reading up as much as possible to try and diagnose my issue, so I happened to have the service manual error code list for your model handy. How many blinks were you seeing?
post #14622 of 14941
For anyone interested....a pic of the 6020 all opened up with the I/O assembly removed:

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Labeled version:

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Called the trio of Pio authorized service techs in my area and the estimated were quite gaudy....north of $700. I figured most modern sets are quite modular by design and that fixing it simply means identifying the faulty board and installing a replacement. I found Ebay listings for the entire power assembly cheap (~$40) and was going to give that a shot before committing such a large chunk of change to the repair. It is a used module from 6020 that had some other fault.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-PLASMA-TV-BOARDS-PARTS-PDC10310G-AND-PDC10309G-/281019686965?pt=US_TV_Boards_Parts_Components&hash=item416e142035

Any words of wisdom or cautionary tales?


PS - also ordered 1353 board to make it an E-Lite! I already had D-Nice calibrate my set after purchase. Anyone know whether the Movie mode will remain calibrated with the board swap or will I lose that?
post #14625 of 14941
Oddly enough it was happening a lot tonight and I was able to grab some video of it. I'm not sure the amount of blinks (will try to check later tonight). I've uploaded the video for those interested and in case I lose it on my phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QagbWaf3Q


I'm both glad and sad that this is happening again but my biggest worry is that it would die after the extended warranty. Hopefully it's just a loose connection.

Thanks for taking the time.
Edited by user friendly - 11/9/12 at 7:41pm
post #14626 of 14941
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Originally Posted by user friendly View Post

Oddly enough it was happening a lot tonight and I was able to grab some video of it. I'm not sure the amount of blinks (will try to check later tonight). I've uploaded the video for those interested and in case I lose it on my phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QagbWaf3Q
I'm both glad and sad that this is happening again but my biggest worry is that it would die after the extended warranty. Hopefully it's just a loose connection.
Thanks for taking the time.

Your video shows a SD05 error ,correct? SD refers to shutdown, 05 refers to the error number. According to my service manual, SD05 refers to an audio problem. How is your audio getting to your panel? HDMI i assume? i would try 2 things:

1- try a different HDMI cable? you may have a faulty cable. also check for possible kinks in it?
2- Can you disconnect the speaker on the bottom? Can you inspect the speaker cabling? You may have a speaker wire in the back that possibly loosened and is shorted against something that is throwing the error.

my .02...good luck
post #14627 of 14941
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

Called the trio of Pio authorized service techs in my area and the estimated were quite gaudy....north of $700. I figured most modern sets are quite modular by design and that fixing it simply means identifying the faulty board and installing a replacement. I found Ebay listings for the entire power assembly cheap (~$40) and was going to give that a shot before committing such a large chunk of change to the repair. It is a used module from 6020 that had some other fault.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-PLASMA-TV-BOARDS-PARTS-PDC10310G-AND-PDC10309G-/281019686965?pt=US_TV_Boards_Parts_Components&hash=item416e142035
Any words of wisdom or cautionary tales?
PS - also ordered 1353 board to make it an E-Lite! I already had D-Nice calibrate my set after purchase. Anyone know whether the Movie mode will remain calibrated with the board swap or will I lose that?

From what i have read the power supplies are a simple swap out, though i have never done one myself.

I am not really sure if you lose memory on your other modes if you swap out the board to make it an E-lite. If you are good with your remote, you can go into movie mode and copy all the settings before you swap it out. this way if it is lost, you can probably put the values back in. The real beauty of the board is you can unlock the ISF modes for the panel. Turbe is the name of a guy on this forum that has software that can do that for you or D-nice i believe also can.
post #14628 of 14941
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Originally Posted by 1forsnow View Post

Your video shows a SD05 error ,correct? SD refers to shutdown, 05 refers to the error number. According to my service manual, SD05 refers to an audio problem. How is your audio getting to your panel? HDMI i assume? i would try 2 things:
1- try a different HDMI cable? you may have a faulty cable. also check for possible kinks in it?
2- Can you disconnect the speaker on the bottom? Can you inspect the speaker cabling? You may have a speaker wire in the back that possibly loosened and is shorted against something that is throwing the error.
my .02...good luck

I've tried a few different cables/inputs and it happens in all scenarios. I removed the speaker day one because it looks so much nicer without it.
post #14629 of 14941
hmmmm....not sure.

your video looks like you are using a game console when you get this error. Have you tried a different source like a blu-ray player or cable/satellite box to rule out your source?
post #14630 of 14941
Do you think Panasonic has surpassed Pioneer Kuro?
post #14631 of 14941
NOOOOO!!!
post #14632 of 14941
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Originally Posted by 1forsnow View Post

hmmmm....not sure.
your video looks like you are using a game console when you get this error. Have you tried a different source like a blu-ray player or cable/satellite box to rule out your source?
It only seems to happen with my PS3.

I was able to count 5 blinks as well.
post #14633 of 14941
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Do you think Panasonic has surpassed Pioneer Kuro?
They'll hopefully match them next year.
post #14634 of 14941
So after taking a long, hard look at my 6020's power supply....i'm stumped. I was hoping to see a telltale sign of this board's failure such as a blown or bubbled capacitor or blown fuse but no such luck. Any of you circuit gurus have suggestions for other signs to look for as it relates to failed components on this power supply board?

The service manual's description of the two red LED blinks doesn't necessarily limit to being an issue with the supply; it also includes the X & Y Drive assemblies but, from everything i've read, it seems the power supply is the most likely culprit. I wonder if there is a way to test this board without running power through it? I do not feel comfortable working with the set with the power on so I was thinking that there may be a way to test impedance to narrow down the issue?
post #14635 of 14941
Hopefully soon we will see OELED on the market for sale;)
post #14636 of 14941
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Hopefully soon we will see OELED on the market for sale;)
Soon may not be far far away if you can pay for the bleeding edge of technology. Otherwise, I would look for a word that's a bit more realistic. wink.gif
post #14637 of 14941
Hi guys!


I have a KRP-500A which have started to acting a bit strange. Actually have been so for almost a year now.

When powered on, the whole panel doesn't seem to be powered on at the same time. Or not all the pixels power on at the same time.

Different part of the panel gets first this grayish color as normal when the panel get it's power and the rest of the panel follows.

It is a matter of milliseconds, but is still noticed.

Also, it's never the same part, it deiffers from each time the TV is powered on.

And one last thing, if I let the TV get "warm" and then power off / on this doesn't happen. This phenomen only happens on cold power up.


I tried to capture it on my iPhone, you'll see what I mean 9 seconds in on the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGU9c0i2UIU
Edited by virre - 11/22/12 at 1:52pm
post #14638 of 14941
Out with the old and in with the new:

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post #14639 of 14941
Got it all back together and powered her on.....SHE'S ALIVE!!.....and E-Lite!! smile.gif
post #14640 of 14941
Congrats _Avarice_!

Where did you get the power supply board?
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