The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 7

Originally Posted by kkgsxr

For the record, kkgsxr is male. That would be the wife in the pics

Originally Posted by DFul4d

Well she doesn't look happy with the new plasma, but at least she does not look angry.

Originally Posted by Duck05

Not so sure the loss of features (and adjustments) from the non-Elite 8Gs (we have a 6010 and 5010) equal the picture improvements (and price) enough to "displace" them with the 9gs (and I never believed the price delta for the Elites was enough of a difference until now...). .

Originally Posted by kkgsxr

More thoughts. I have a few other HD channels with the logo cut off and you can tell the image is off the screen. I have an SA 8300 DVR cable box, is there anything I can do to fix this? My old set didn't have an issue with this. Everything was displayed in HD.

Originally Posted by kkgsxr

Ok, just got the Kuro setup. Let me just say the picture is amazing. Remember I am coming from an HP 5880n DLP, which I thought looked great, as did everyone of my friends. This picture takes HD to the next level. Even SD channels look great. For some reason the TV looks a lot bigger than the old 5880n, maybe because it sits higher.
I don't have a blueray player but DVD's look great on my Panasonic S97 upconverted to 1080i. The detail is simply amazing.
Now for the pics.


Enjoy. If you want anything specific, let me know. The pics were taken with a Canon SD870is 8.0 megapixel camera.

Originally Posted by grider

How deep is the recess of the cable panel from the back surface of the TV? It looks like 1.5" ???
Hdmi look like they are sunk in an additional 1/4". Correct?

Not too much room for cables when the TV is wall mounted
My mount is only 1.5" deep

It's too bad the HDMI connections are oriented vertically. I have adapters that turn hdmi thru 90 degrees but in this setup they would go right to left and block the adjacent hdmi connectors.

Originally Posted by kyler13

I noticed this too, grider. I think the recess on the 8G was at least 1.5". Shouldn't 3" total be enough clearance for an HDMI connector? My plan is to use as close a wall mount as possible so I would be in the same boat as you.

Originally Posted by grider

The overall depth of this TV is 1" less than last year so the cable recess may be less.

3" (recess + depth of mount) would be enough but less than ideal and will place unnecessary strain on the connector.

I wish more manufacturers would put the A/V connectors on the surface of the recess that faces the floor similar to the power connection on this TV. It would make way more sense for wall mounting. It may be worth going to a tilt mount to make access easier (tilt the TV upwards) and get an extra 1" of depth from the mount.

Originally Posted by grider

How deep is the recess of the cable panel from the back surface of the TV? It looks like 1.5" ???
Hdmi look like they are sunk in an additional 1/4". Correct?

Not too much room for cables when the TV is wall mounted
My mount is only 1.5" deep

It's too bad the HDMI connections are oriented vertically. I have adapters that turn hdmi thru 90 degrees but in this setup they would go right to left and block the adjacent hdmi connectors.

Originally Posted by sanhacker

Not wanting to rain on the parade, but I can't help but asking the following:
Why not wait until the 10G plasmas come out with Panasonic Glass ???
Won't they exhibit "0 ECC" ???
If they are not up to snuff, couldn't we buy a 9G at closeout prices ???

Yes, I know the next version will always be better. But in this case, it seems we may be feeding a fire that will be snuffed out within a year. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by HDCanHD

I'll give you five good reasons.

5) You could die before the ECC comes out, and you'd regret all those days you lived without a 9G as your life flashed before your eyes. Plus, if you're lucky enough to make it the next 12-16 months after the ECC, it will be hype about the next thing, whether it's 10-lumen, 2160p/QuadHD, wireless network integration, or other advances. There's always something else! but you'll only live the next 12-16 months of your life once!

Originally Posted by HDCanHD

I'll give you five good reasons.

1) It's a long 14-16+ months until you can even think about buying a 10G Pio/ECC Kuro

Originally Posted by HDCanHD

I'll give you five good reasons.

1) It's a long 14-16+ months until you can even think about buying a 10G Pio/ECC Kuro

2) 9G Pio's are 0.001 ftL, that's very close to ECC, some people won't notice the .001 difference, for others the difference, even if slightly noticable will be so subtle, it's not worth the wait without a TV for a year and a half.

3) With the change over to Panny glass, no one really knows how that is going to affect the Pioneer brand, now arguably the next sets could well be as good if not better than Pio's current offering, but there is definitely a perception of uncertainty as to what the change in manufacturing will mean in terms of the dilution of Pioneer's brand.

4) Like #3, this is your last year to buy Pio manufactured high grade glass. Part of the reason for the change over is because it's cheaper to do it Panny's way. This is your last chance to get in on the Pioneer manufactured glass which is a different process than Panny uses, and if I understand correctly is of higher quality than other manufacturers. (Caveat, no one really knows how much technology sharing there will be regarding the glass and Pio could always help Panny with their glass production but no one really knows yet.)

5) You could die before the ECC comes out, and you'd regret all those days you lived without a 9G as your life flashed before your eyes. Plus, if you're lucky enough to make it the next 12-16 months after the ECC, it will be hype about the next thing, whether it's 10-lumen, 2160p/QuadHD, wireless network integration, or other advances. There's always something else! but you'll only live the next 12-16 months of your life once!

Originally Posted by darthemma

kkgsxr:
I see the speaker has to be mounted on the bottom of the panel and it is not connected. Where do you wire the speaker on the back of the set? Can the speaker be used as a center channel as well as the regular tv speaker depending on the input? That would be sweet, because then I wouldn't have to put my clunky center channel in front of the 6020 when mine arrives.

Originally Posted by egrady

It's the uncertainty about a larger option that is giving me pause.

Originally Posted by Geordon

My guess is the speaker uses the read and black spring clip connections as shown on the right side of the image above.

If your receiver/amp has any wattage at all, it would probably be too much to drive a TV speaker at any sort of decent volume.

Originally Posted by vvdd

Thanks for the pics, kkgsxr.
If I may ask, what is the power rating of your 6020. Usually is printed on the sticker, where the model, manufacture date, etc. Thanks a lot.

Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer

Very cool kkgsxr, ^^ glad you are enjoying your 60" G9 Kuro. Another example of the value in buying Pioneer's panel is the great SD scalling and processing. Blacker blacks is not the only big advantage you get with Pioneer panels. Great audio, excellent built quality, fit and finish, network ready and killer contrast ratio. Simply the very best flat panel money can buy.

Everyone fall in love with their Kuro, that's why I say "Once you go Kuro you can never go back"

-Robert

Originally Posted by kkgsxr

I think this says it all.

Originally Posted by HDCanHD

I'll give you five good reasons.

1) It's a long 14-16+ months until you can even think about buying a 10G Pio/ECC Kuro

2) 9G Pio's are 0.001 ftL, that's very close to ECC, some people won't notice the .001 difference, for others the difference, even if slightly noticable will be so subtle, it's not worth the wait without a TV for a year and a half.

3) With the change over to Panny glass, no one really knows how that is going to affect the Pioneer brand, now arguably the next sets could well be as good if not better than Pio's current offering, but there is definitely a perception of uncertainty as to what the change in manufacturing will mean in terms of the dilution of Pioneer's brand.

4) Like #3, this is your last year to buy Pio manufactured high grade glass. Part of the reason for the change over is because it's cheaper to do it Panny's way. This is your last chance to get in on the Pioneer manufactured glass which is a different process than Panny uses, and if I understand correctly is of higher quality than other manufacturers. (Caveat, no one really knows how much technology sharing there will be regarding the glass and Pio could always help Panny with their glass production but no one really knows yet.)

5) You could die before the ECC comes out, and you'd regret all those days you lived without a 9G as your life flashed before your eyes. Plus, if you're lucky enough to make it the next 12-16 months after the ECC, it will be hype about the next thing, whether it's 10-lumen, 2160p/QuadHD, wireless network integration, or other advances. There's always something else! but you'll only live the next 12-16 months of your life once!