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post #181 of 14941
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Originally Posted by kkgsxr View Post

For the record, kkgsxr is male. That would be the wife in the pics

And from the look on her face it looks like she was conned into being in the pics.
post #182 of 14941
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Originally Posted by DFul4d View Post

Well she doesn't look happy with the new plasma, but at least she does not look angry.

I've seen that look before as well... ("What was wrong with the other TV???" "What's so special about this one??")

Honestly, though, the photos are great - especially the back panel and connections.

Not so sure the loss of features (and adjustments) from the non-Elite 8Gs (we have a 6010 and 5010) equal the picture improvements (and price) enough to "displace" them with the 9gs (and I never believed the price delta for the Elites was enough of a difference until now...).

Looking like the 10Gs (ECC) and the possibility of > 60" screens will be the next target (if I get past the questions above... LOL).
post #183 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Duck05 View Post

Not so sure the loss of features (and adjustments) from the non-Elite 8Gs (we have a 6010 and 5010) equal the picture improvements (and price) enough to "displace" them with the 9gs (and I never believed the price delta for the Elites was enough of a difference until now...). .

Exactly. With the 8Gs I couldn't justify the price difference from the 5010fd to the 110fd, but with the 9Gs the lack of adjustments make me question the 5020fd and if it's potential really will not even be close to being reached.
post #184 of 14941
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Originally Posted by kkgsxr View Post

More thoughts. I have a few other HD channels with the logo cut off and you can tell the image is off the screen. I have an SA 8300 DVR cable box, is there anything I can do to fix this? My old set didn't have an issue with this. Everything was displayed in HD.

I would try several things.

I would try calling your cable company to see if there is a way to set your "zoom" effects or at least a way to set it at 1:1 or "full" mode.

I would also check to see if you have the same problem with component cables.

I would also check to see if you have a "pass through" mode on the cable box...so that the Kuro can do the converting and NOT the cable box. The Kuro will probably do a better job of converting the signals so I would leave it on "pass through" or "Native".

Have you tried using a different HDMI input on the Kuro? Try all of them!

Try a different HDMI cable.

Using a test disc such as Digital Video Essentials and with a Blu-ray/DVD player hooked up via HDMI, you can check to see if there is any overscan that way.

Make sure your set is on dot/dot mode or 1:1.

IF YOU CAN.....

Try your cable box on another Kuro.

Try a different cable box on the Kuro.

By the way if it turns out that the problem is with the cable box and the cable company cannot help you in anyway, I would strongly consider getting DirecTV...unless their box does the same thing...then I guess we would all be screwed.

Another thing you might want to try (for DVD viewing) is to send a 480i signal to the Kuro to see if the Kuro does a better job of converting it to 1080p when compared to the DVD player.


Is there anyone else that might have any other suggestions or advice?

Personally I'm fed up with overscan as I've been living with 10 to 12% overscan with my current HDTV. I can't wait to get my 151FD.
post #185 of 14941
yes the other suggestion as i told him earlier, try the cable box the way it is on another tv set and well on top of what you mentioned, diffrent cables diffrent source....

directv is soo much better
post #186 of 14941
Hello All, first time poster on this amazing forum!
I live in the Netherlands and will become a Pioneer
PDP-LX5090 tomorow, i think you all call this the Pioneer
9G non-Elite KURO 5020?

I would like to know which settings are best to use for the first 100 hours (or more?)
And what you all can advice me to do an not to do in this
first breakin period?

Thank you all very much in advance?
post #187 of 14941
Not sure how to help with the overscan. Thebarnman gave alot of excellent suggestions. I would say, though, you should set 4:3 override to 480i, not 480p. Let the TV do any/all video processing, including de-interlacing. I'm not sure if the SA boxes have a native mode for HD, but I'd try going with that if possible. My Moto DVR does not have this option, which is a PITA. See if there's another box your cableco has that allows for native output. As an alternate suggestion, since you have a DVR, the HD TiVo is only like $300 MSRP and works with cablecards. It has a native pass through option. Your set-up looks great and I'm extremely jealous! Enjoy!
post #188 of 14941
Just an update, I got the SA 8300 and the Pioneer happy, no overscan. I gave up last night and I unplugged the SA 8300. This morning it all worked great! I guess the 8300 was messed up and only a reboot would fix it.
Thanks everyone for the help.
-kkgsxr
post #189 of 14941
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Originally Posted by kkgsxr View Post

Ok, just got the Kuro setup. Let me just say the picture is amazing. Remember I am coming from an HP 5880n DLP, which I thought looked great, as did everyone of my friends. This picture takes HD to the next level. Even SD channels look great. For some reason the TV looks a lot bigger than the old 5880n, maybe because it sits higher.
I don't have a blueray player but DVD's look great on my Panasonic S97 upconverted to 1080i. The detail is simply amazing.
Now for the pics.


Enjoy. If you want anything specific, let me know. The pics were taken with a Canon SD870is 8.0 megapixel camera.

How deep is the recess of the cable panel from the back surface of the TV? It looks like 1.5" ???
Hdmi look like they are sunk in an additional 1/4". Correct?

Not too much room for cables when the TV is wall mounted
My mount is only 1.5" deep

It's too bad the HDMI connections are oriented vertically. I have adapters that turn hdmi thru 90 degrees but in this setup they would go right to left and block the adjacent hdmi connectors.
post #190 of 14941
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Originally Posted by grider View Post

How deep is the recess of the cable panel from the back surface of the TV? It looks like 1.5" ???
Hdmi look like they are sunk in an additional 1/4". Correct?

Not too much room for cables when the TV is wall mounted
My mount is only 1.5" deep

It's too bad the HDMI connections are oriented vertically. I have adapters that turn hdmi thru 90 degrees but in this setup they would go right to left and block the adjacent hdmi connectors.

I noticed this too, grider. I think the recess on the 8G was at least 1.5". Shouldn't 3" total be enough clearance for an HDMI connector? My plan is to use as close a wall mount as possible so I would be in the same boat as you.
post #191 of 14941
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Originally Posted by kyler13 View Post

I noticed this too, grider. I think the recess on the 8G was at least 1.5". Shouldn't 3" total be enough clearance for an HDMI connector? My plan is to use as close a wall mount as possible so I would be in the same boat as you.

The overall depth of this TV is 1" less than last year so the cable recess may be less.

3" (recess + depth of mount) would be enough but less than ideal and will place unnecessary strain on the connector.

I wish more manufacturers would put the A/V connectors on the surface of the recess that faces the floor similar to the power connection on this TV. It would make way more sense for wall mounting. It may be worth going to a tilt mount to make access easier (tilt the TV upwards) and get an extra 1" of depth from the mount.
post #192 of 14941
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Originally Posted by grider View Post

The overall depth of this TV is 1" less than last year so the cable recess may be less.

3" (recess + depth of mount) would be enough but less than ideal and will place unnecessary strain on the connector.

I wish more manufacturers would put the A/V connectors on the surface of the recess that faces the floor similar to the power connection on this TV. It would make way more sense for wall mounting. It may be worth going to a tilt mount to make access easier (tilt the TV upwards) and get an extra 1" of depth from the mount.

I just measured the back, yes it is exactly 1.5 inches and the HDMI ports are in another 8th of an inche. I have an HDMI cable from monoprice.com and it looks like 3" will be more than enough clearance for the cable.

-kkgsxr
post #193 of 14941
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Originally Posted by grider View Post

How deep is the recess of the cable panel from the back surface of the TV? It looks like 1.5" ???
Hdmi look like they are sunk in an additional 1/4". Correct?

Not too much room for cables when the TV is wall mounted
My mount is only 1.5" deep

It's too bad the HDMI connections are oriented vertically. I have adapters that turn hdmi thru 90 degrees but in this setup they would go right to left and block the adjacent hdmi connectors.

Not that it's a big deal, but I think I like the connectivity better on the 8Gs. They are setup like the VGA connection where you plug them in from underneath and all 4 HDMI inputs are on the back (and not one on the side).
post #194 of 14941
Not wanting to rain on the parade, but I can't help but asking the following:
Why not wait until the 10G plasmas come out with Panasonic Glass ???
Won't they exhibit "0 ECC" ???
If they are not up to snuff, couldn't we buy a 9G at closeout prices ???

Yes, I know the next version will always be better. But in this case, it seems we may be feeding a fire that will be snuffed out within a year. Thoughts?
post #195 of 14941
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Originally Posted by sanhacker View Post

Not wanting to rain on the parade, but I can't help but asking the following:
Why not wait until the 10G plasmas come out with Panasonic Glass ???
Won't they exhibit "0 ECC" ???
If they are not up to snuff, couldn't we buy a 9G at closeout prices ???

Yes, I know the next version will always be better. But in this case, it seems we may be feeding a fire that will be snuffed out within a year. Thoughts?

I'll give you five good reasons.

1) It's a long 14-16+ months until you can even think about buying a 10G Pio/ECC Kuro

2) 9G Pio's are 0.001 ftL, that's very close to ECC, some people won't notice the .001 difference, for others the difference, even if slightly noticable will be so subtle, it's not worth the wait without a TV for a year and a half.

3) With the change over to Panny glass, no one really knows how that is going to affect the Pioneer brand, now arguably the next sets could well be as good if not better than Pio's current offering, but there is definitely a perception of uncertainty as to what the change in manufacturing will mean in terms of the dilution of Pioneer's brand.

4) Like #3, this is your last year to buy Pio manufactured high grade glass. Part of the reason for the change over is because it's cheaper to do it Panny's way. This is your last chance to get in on the Pioneer manufactured glass which is a different process than Panny uses, and if I understand correctly is of higher quality than other manufacturers. (Caveat, no one really knows how much technology sharing there will be regarding the glass and Pio could always help Panny with their glass production but no one really knows yet.)

5) You could die before the ECC comes out, and you'd regret all those days you lived without a 9G as your life flashed before your eyes. Plus, if you're lucky enough to make it the next 12-16 months after the ECC, it will be hype about the next thing, whether it's 10-lumen, 2160p/QuadHD, wireless network integration, or other advances. There's always something else! but you'll only live the next 12-16 months of your life once!
post #196 of 14941
kkgsxr:
I see the speaker has to be mounted on the bottom of the panel and it is not connected. Where do you wire the speaker on the back of the set? Can the speaker be used as a center channel as well as the regular tv speaker depending on the input? That would be sweet, because then I wouldn't have to put my clunky center channel in front of the 6020 when mine arrives.

Also, I currently have a 4 year old Sony progressive scan dvd player that is component video (not hdmi or upscaling). I have to decide if I want to use this a while longer with my 6020 and wait for the new Pioneer or Panasonic Blu-ray players to come out, or if I should get an OPPO 980H (I have one of those in the bedroom and love it) and wait until the whole blu-ray thing settles into place and prices come down a bit.
post #197 of 14941
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Originally Posted by HDCanHD View Post

I'll give you five good reasons.

5) You could die before the ECC comes out, and you'd regret all those days you lived without a 9G as your life flashed before your eyes. Plus, if you're lucky enough to make it the next 12-16 months after the ECC, it will be hype about the next thing, whether it's 10-lumen, 2160p/QuadHD, wireless network integration, or other advances. There's always something else! but you'll only live the next 12-16 months of your life once!

Thanks. Your point #5, I believe, is the best one.
i.e. The grass will always be greener.
I'm just sitting on the fence and don't know which way to fall ...
post #198 of 14941
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Originally Posted by HDCanHD View Post

I'll give you five good reasons.

1) It's a long 14-16+ months until you can even think about buying a 10G Pio/ECC Kuro

Exactly. Assuming a person is actually interested in buying a TV soon, they should judge the 9Gs against other displays on the market now, not some distant prototype. The 0.002 ftL black level is very impressive and is a very big technical achievement in its own right.
post #199 of 14941
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Originally Posted by HDCanHD View Post

I'll give you five good reasons.

1) It's a long 14-16+ months until you can even think about buying a 10G Pio/ECC Kuro

2) 9G Pio's are 0.001 ftL, that's very close to ECC, some people won't notice the .001 difference, for others the difference, even if slightly noticable will be so subtle, it's not worth the wait without a TV for a year and a half.

3) With the change over to Panny glass, no one really knows how that is going to affect the Pioneer brand, now arguably the next sets could well be as good if not better than Pio's current offering, but there is definitely a perception of uncertainty as to what the change in manufacturing will mean in terms of the dilution of Pioneer's brand.

4) Like #3, this is your last year to buy Pio manufactured high grade glass. Part of the reason for the change over is because it's cheaper to do it Panny's way. This is your last chance to get in on the Pioneer manufactured glass which is a different process than Panny uses, and if I understand correctly is of higher quality than other manufacturers. (Caveat, no one really knows how much technology sharing there will be regarding the glass and Pio could always help Panny with their glass production but no one really knows yet.)

5) You could die before the ECC comes out, and you'd regret all those days you lived without a 9G as your life flashed before your eyes. Plus, if you're lucky enough to make it the next 12-16 months after the ECC, it will be hype about the next thing, whether it's 10-lumen, 2160p/QuadHD, wireless network integration, or other advances. There's always something else! but you'll only live the next 12-16 months of your life once!

I agree with all your points.
I am just fed up of waiting. I want a new Kuro to watch the Olympics. I am going with the 151. Hopefully I will find a store that does 12 month interest free.
Don't wait for the 10g if you don't have to. These new sets are amazing and the truth is, there is always something better down the road. I am going for the best (151) because I want to keep this set for at least 8 years. Now it's a great time to buy.
post #200 of 14941
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Originally Posted by darthemma View Post

kkgsxr:
I see the speaker has to be mounted on the bottom of the panel and it is not connected. Where do you wire the speaker on the back of the set? Can the speaker be used as a center channel as well as the regular tv speaker depending on the input? That would be sweet, because then I wouldn't have to put my clunky center channel in front of the 6020 when mine arrives.

My guess is the speaker uses the read and black spring clip connections as shown on the right side of the image above.

If your receiver/amp has any wattage at all, it would probably be too much to drive a TV speaker at any sort of decent volume.
post #201 of 14941
The discussion about 9G now or 10G later makes alot of good points. The only additional item I can add is about size. While I could live with 60", I'd rather have at least 65". A 70" would be the perfect size. If Pioneer comes out with a 10G 65", a reasonable assumption given Panny is already making glass that size, I wouldn't be unhappy with a 60" 151. But I'd really be kicking myself if they came out with a 70" 10G next year.

In my case the issue isn't really one of quality. I'm sure the 9G's won't be boat anchors the day the 10G comes out. It's the uncertainty about a larger option that is giving me pause.
post #202 of 14941
Thanks for the pics, kkgsxr.
If I may ask, what is the power rating of your 6020. Usually is printed on the sticker, where the model, manufacture date, etc. Thanks a lot.
post #203 of 14941
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Originally Posted by egrady View Post

It's the uncertainty about a larger option that is giving me pause.

Not me.
post #204 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Geordon View Post

My guess is the speaker uses the read and black spring clip connections as shown on the right side of the image above.

If your receiver/amp has any wattage at all, it would probably be too much to drive a TV speaker at any sort of decent volume.

Correct. I took the pics of the back of the TV before placing it on the stand. The speaker was mounted but not connected to the red/black clips. I am not using the Pio speaker, never even listened to it. I only mounted it since my wife thought it looked better covering the open space between the set and the stand. I have my center on the stand right in front of the set.

-kkgsxr
post #205 of 14941
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Originally Posted by vvdd View Post

Thanks for the pics, kkgsxr.
If I may ask, what is the power rating of your 6020. Usually is printed on the sticker, where the model, manufacture date, etc. Thanks a lot.

I think this says it all.

post #206 of 14941
More thoughts of the set. I'm still in love
The TV gets warm but not hot. It is much cooler than my old DLP.
SD channels are amazing compared to my old set. SD was so bad stretched to wide screen I watch them with the 4:3 bars. Now with the 6020, I have no problem watching 4:3 stretched to fit.
Forgot to add, the screen doesn't have a glare in day. I have windows to the north so I don't get direct sunlight. The bezel has a crazy glare, I could use it as a mirror to shave in the morning.
-kkgsxr
post #207 of 14941
Very cool kkgsxr, ^^ glad you are enjoying your 60" G9 Kuro. Another example of the value in buying Pioneer's panel is the great SD scalling and processing. Blacker blacks is not the only big advantage you get with Pioneer panels. Great audio, excellent built quality, fit and finish, network ready and killer contrast ratio. Simply the very best flat panel money can buy.

Everyone fall in love with their Kuro, that's why I say "Once you go Kuro you can never go back"

-Robert
post #208 of 14941
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Very cool kkgsxr, ^^ glad you are enjoying your 60" G9 Kuro. Another example of the value in buying Pioneer's panel is the great SD scalling and processing. Blacker blacks is not the only big advantage you get with Pioneer panels. Great audio, excellent built quality, fit and finish, network ready and killer contrast ratio. Simply the very best flat panel money can buy.

Everyone fall in love with their Kuro, that's why I say "Once you go Kuro you can never go back"

-Robert

Robert is right, I will never go back!
You have been a great deal of help and the reason I got my Kuro so quickly. Thanks so much for all the time you spend helping us on the forum.

-kkgsxr
post #209 of 14941
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Originally Posted by kkgsxr View Post

I think this says it all.


Thank YOU kkgsxr. This is what I was looking for - 524W. From what I know this is the max value with a white screen and all other settings to their max value. Thanks again.
post #210 of 14941
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Originally Posted by HDCanHD View Post

I'll give you five good reasons.

1) It's a long 14-16+ months until you can even think about buying a 10G Pio/ECC Kuro

2) 9G Pio's are 0.001 ftL, that's very close to ECC, some people won't notice the .001 difference, for others the difference, even if slightly noticable will be so subtle, it's not worth the wait without a TV for a year and a half.

3) With the change over to Panny glass, no one really knows how that is going to affect the Pioneer brand, now arguably the next sets could well be as good if not better than Pio's current offering, but there is definitely a perception of uncertainty as to what the change in manufacturing will mean in terms of the dilution of Pioneer's brand.

4) Like #3, this is your last year to buy Pio manufactured high grade glass. Part of the reason for the change over is because it's cheaper to do it Panny's way. This is your last chance to get in on the Pioneer manufactured glass which is a different process than Panny uses, and if I understand correctly is of higher quality than other manufacturers. (Caveat, no one really knows how much technology sharing there will be regarding the glass and Pio could always help Panny with their glass production but no one really knows yet.)

5) You could die before the ECC comes out, and you'd regret all those days you lived without a 9G as your life flashed before your eyes. Plus, if you're lucky enough to make it the next 12-16 months after the ECC, it will be hype about the next thing, whether it's 10-lumen, 2160p/QuadHD, wireless network integration, or other advances. There's always something else! but you'll only live the next 12-16 months of your life once!

Very Very good points.
The difference between 0.001 and 0.000 is small. I doubt I will be able to tell a difference. And I think it is cool as heck that the 10G's are so super thin, but in my circumstance, the 9G's are thin enough. I wonder how much better the 10G's processing is than the 9G?
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