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post #241 of 14945
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Originally Posted by Coggs View Post

Hey lowlands, you should be able to use the 8G settings and break-in procedure for the 6090, here's a link

"http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858851"]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858851

-Coggs

P.S. the Netherlands kick-ass

Thank you Coggs.
Unfortunately i read that you only may use these settings with the evangelo2's break in dvd.

Are there also settings for use with cable or normal DVD/Blu-ray disks?

Thanks again in advance.
post #242 of 14945
I don't think there are any settings yet for this generation. But in your position, I'd try last year's suggested settings. They can be found in the first few posts of the 8th Generation Settings thread. Be sure and use the reference settings. The others are only to go with evangelo's DVD.

Be sure and tell us how you like your new TV!
post #243 of 14945
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Originally Posted by tn2005 View Post

does anyone know how to get into the service menu for the 6020? D-nice?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post13674285
post #244 of 14945
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what makes you think that the 8g pioneer are going to funtion the same way as the 9g? although it doesnt hurt to try i dont think this is the same code... and might i add why would the person that requested it why would he/she want to go to service menu?
post #245 of 14945
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Originally Posted by dsunnym1 View Post

Got my 6020 today!!

All I can say is Amazing PQ!!

I can't imagine it getting even better after some break in....

Am I missing something here though,, Can't seem to find a color temp setting?
And no NR settings either? Not that it needs it though......


unfortunately those settings were removed from the non-elite 9G's. That was unacceptable to me and the reason I decided to go with the 5010 instead of the 5020. This post was from D-Nice regarding the issue..

"It wasn't because of the ethernet port being added........

Golden rule of business: NEVER give your customer a feature and then take it away at a later date.

It seems as if Pioneer NA had a focus group regarding the non-Elite (probably the same dumbasses that Consumer Reports uses). Out of said focus group, a "grip" with the 8G non-Elites was that it had too many picture setting controls for the average user.

So Pioneer NA decided to create a simplified A/V menu (similar to pre-Kuro). The items listed as "No menu items for these functions" were considered "least user friendly". So, each A/V picture mode will have these features turned on in some fashion. Here is how they will be setup:"


A/V Mode ---- DRE --- Black Level --- ACL --- Enhancer --- Gamma --- CTI

Dynamic------ High ------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Performance-- Mid -------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Movie-------- Off -------- On ------- Off ------- 2 ---------- 1 ------ On
Sports------- Mid -------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Game-------- Off -------- Off ------- Off ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Standard----- Mid ------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On

The NR features are on for every A/V mode. Optimum mode changes these settings depending on what the light/color sensor detects. Also, there is no way in the SM to adjust these features.
post #246 of 14945
Hey kkgsxr:

Despite the known limitations of your digital photography and everyone's particular monitor settings, it appears as though your last photo (from Post #152) displays blacks that are not discernable from the bezel. Is this true?
post #247 of 14945
Hey kkgsxr:

What is the distance (in inches) between the 4 wall-mount bolt holes (horizontal & vertical) on the back of your 6020? And the distance from the bolt holes to the edges?

This info would be useful to me in mounting my Peerless One-TP wall mount prior to delivery of my 6020. Thanks in advance.

(If Pioneer had a PDF of the manual available, I'd try to find this info myself.)
post #248 of 14945
Has anyone employed the LAN connection and tested the Home Media Gallery? Especially with regard to viewing digital images via a networked PC running Windows XP or Vista.

Or has anyone tried plugging in a USB flash drive loaded with images?

Do images display in Dot-to-Dot mode? Or is there overscanning? Or stretching?
post #249 of 14945
Hey Robert and D-Nice:

How would you rank the non-Elite 9G and Elite 9G upscaling versus Anchor Bay VRS and Faroudja DCDi?
post #250 of 14945
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

Power consumption has never been something I took into consideration while comparing TV's. Should I be? If it is only going to cost me 5-10 dollars more a month I could really care less. Could it cost me more than that? Has anyone done any reasearch on that?

Not really research needed, just some simple calculations. A 524W Plasma will never need 524W, a realistic figure is probably 350W (66% of 524W) or slightly below that.

0,350kW * 24h * 30 days = 252kWh

Now, depending on what you pay per kWh:
- 10cent/kWh => 25,2$/month (24/7 use) = 08,4$/month (8h-use/day) = 04,2$/month (4h-use/day)
- 15cent/kWh => 37,8$/month (24/7 use) = 12,6$/month (8h-use/day) = 06,3$/month (4h-use/day)
- 20cent/kWh => 50,4$/month (24/7 use) = 16,8$/month (8h-use/day) = 08,4$/month (4h-use/day)
- 25cent/kWh => 63,0$/month (24/7 use) = 21,0$/month (8h-use/day) = 10,5$/month (4h-use/day)

Whether or not it's relevant mainly depends on how long it's turned on per day.
post #251 of 14945
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

who knows.
I have never really cared much about power consumption. I see alot of people asking about it and have always wondered how much more money the electric bill will really be if you get a hdtv that uses a good bit of juice.
Power consumption has never been something I took into consideration while comparing TV's. Should I be? If it is only going to cost me 5-10 dollars more a month I could really care less. Could it cost me more than that? Has anyone done any reasearch on that?

Personally I don't care either. It's just interesting to know.
post #252 of 14945
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Originally Posted by D-Dub View Post

Hey kkgsxr:

Despite the known limitations of your digital photography and everyone's particular monitor settings, it appears as though your last photo (from Post #152) displays blacks that are not discernable from the bezel. Is this true?

It is really hard to tell. The only thing is the bezel is quite reflective so it blends in some parts of the picture and others you can see the lights behind me. I turned off the lights last night and watched Law & Order, when the opening text is displayed with the black background, you can't tell where the screen ends and the bezel begins.
For once I am glad my old set's light engine crapped out
post #253 of 14945
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Originally Posted by D-Dub View Post

Hey kkgsxr:

What is the distance (in inches) between the 4 wall-mount bolt holes (horizontal & vertical) on the back of your 6020? And the distance from the bolt holes to the edges?

This info would be useful to me in mounting my Peerless One-TP wall mount prior to delivery of my 6020. Thanks in advance.

(If Pioneer had a PDF of the manual available, I'd try to find this info myself.)

I am working in the city today so I will get the measurements tonight.

-kkgsxr
post #254 of 14945
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Originally Posted by D-Dub View Post

Has anyone employed the LAN connection and tested the Home Media Gallery? Especially with regard to viewing digital images via a networked PC running Windows XP or Vista.

Or has anyone tried plugging in a USB flash drive loaded with images?

Do images display in Dot-to-Dot mode? Or is there overscanning? Or stretching?

I setup the home media gallery last night. I have the 6020 plugged into a Linksys G router I am using as a network bridge to my upstairs computers.
I tried using media player 11 but it wouldn't see the TV. I then downloaded Tversity and it was a lot easier to use and setup. The 6020 saw my server as soon as I shared media. I shared my 120Gb of mp3's and connected the tv to my receiver via the digital optical cable. It sounded really good without any skipping, as good as mp3's sound.
I then shared my pics and it also worked well, just slow loading large mages >1Mb. They did look amazing on the set. Even old pics I took with a 3 megapixel digital. I can't believe how well the set does upgrading lower quality images and video. Like I said before, SD channels are viewable in wide screen and really look good. I didn't notice any overscan or stretching.
I also connected my canon 870is via the USB port. I was listening to an MP3 stream from my upstairs system at the time. I was able to browser the usb camera and the stream continued, nice feature. The pics took a bit to load but it was most likely due to the camera not the set.
I am running Windows XP Pro SP3

-kkgsxr
post #255 of 14945
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Originally Posted by kkgsxr View Post

I setup the home media gallery last night. I have the 6020 plugged into a Linksys G router I am using as a network bridge to my upstairs computers.
I tried using media player 11 but it wouldn't see the TV. I then downloaded Tversity and it was a lot easier to use and setup. The 6020 saw my server as soon as I shared media. I shared my 120Gb of mp3's and connected the tv to my receiver via the digital optical cable. It sounded really good without any skipping, as good as mp3's sound.
I then shared my pics and it also worked well, just slow loading large mages >1Mb. They did look amazing on the set. Even old pics I took with a 3 megapixel digital. I can't believe how well the set does upgrading lower quality images and video. Like I said before, SD channels are viewable in wide screen and really look good. I didn't notice any overscan or stretching.
I also connected my canon 870is via the USB port. I was listening to an MP3 stream from my upstairs system at the time. I was able to browser the usb camera and the stream continued, nice feature. The pics took a bit to load but it was most likely due to the camera not the set.
I am running Windows XP Pro SP3

-kkgsxr

Is it possible to stream media content (photos, Utube videos, etc), WIRELESSLY, from a computer/wireless router setup to the 6020?
post #256 of 14945
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Originally Posted by bigfan9999 View Post

Is it possible to stream media content (photos, Utube videos, etc), WIRELESSLY, from a computer/wireless router setup to the 6020?

No. 9G doesn't have any built in wireless networking. There are third party products you can buy that will do that. Maybe someone like D-Nice can say if they have heard anything about it being planned for future generations. (I'd love to see 802.11n and GbLAN Ethernet on the 10G).

kkgsxr: Can you try streaming some SD/HD video content through the home media gallery and report back? 720p/1080p [H264/VC-1/MPEG-2/WMV9]? maybe some DiVX/XViD? Thanks for the reports!
post #257 of 14945
So, what are the preset color temps? Totally not acceptable for me!


bob




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Originally Posted by rougebear View Post

unfortunately those settings were removed from the non-elite 9G's. That was unacceptable to me and the reason I decided to go with the 5010 instead of the 5020. This post was from D-Nice regarding the issue..

"It wasn't because of the ethernet port being added........

Golden rule of business: NEVER give your customer a feature and then take it away at a later date.

It seems as if Pioneer NA had a focus group regarding the non-Elite (probably the same dumbasses that Consumer Reports uses). Out of said focus group, a "grip" with the 8G non-Elites was that it had too many picture setting controls for the average user.

So Pioneer NA decided to create a simplified A/V menu (similar to pre-Kuro). The items listed as "No menu items for these functions" were considered "least user friendly". So, each A/V picture mode will have these features turned on in some fashion. Here is how they will be setup:"


A/V Mode ---- DRE --- Black Level --- ACL --- Enhancer --- Gamma --- CTI

Dynamic------ High ------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Performance-- Mid -------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Movie-------- Off -------- On ------- Off ------- 2 ---------- 1 ------ On
Sports------- Mid -------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Game-------- Off -------- Off ------- Off ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On
Standard----- Mid ------- On ------- On ------- 2 ---------- 2 ------ On

The NR features are on for every A/V mode. Optimum mode changes these settings depending on what the light/color sensor detects. Also, there is no way in the SM to adjust these features.
post #258 of 14945
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

Are the HDMI connections on the 6020 in a different spot now compared to the 6010?
I think I remember the 6010 having the HDMI connections in a differnt spot.
Were the 6010's hdmi conns laid out the same as the 5080. To where you had to kinda go "up and under"??
I wasn't too crazy about the way the HDMi connections were laid out on the 5080. It was hard for me to get one of my HDMI connectors
(a thick 24AWG monoprice one) in at an angle.
I really like the way it is laid out now. much easier for thicker hdmi cables


I have to disagree, Chad. I thought the HDMI connectors on the 5080 were great. They were vertical in the recess behind the TV. I had it mounted flush to the wall and still could get my hand up there to connect and disconnect the 4 HDMI, VGA, and antenna connectors.

I don't know anything about the 6010, but the 6020 has the HDMI connectors set horizontally or perpendicular to the wall. I ordered another flush wall mount for the 6020, and I won't be able to change any of the connections once the TV is mounted to the wall. I don't know why they changed it. It was more convenient before if you were mounting to the wall.
post #259 of 14945
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Originally Posted by HDCanHD View Post

No. 9G doesn't have any built in wireless networking. There are third party products you can buy that will do that. Maybe someone like D-Nice can say if they have heard anything about it being planned for future generations. (I'd love to see 802.11n and GbLAN Ethernet on the 10G).

kkgsxr: Can you try streaming some SD/HD video content through the home media gallery and report back? 720p/1080p [H264/VC-1/MPEG-2/WMV9]? maybe some DiVX/XViD? Thanks for the reports!

That is exactly what I would like to find out. I can't wait to get my 6020 to test this out as I have a lot of different video types on my computer in my office.
post #260 of 14945
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

So, what are the preset color temps? Totally not acceptable for me!


bob

Wouldn't that depend on if the preset temp is D65?

I can see a need for a warmer temp if you watch a lot of Black and White movies.
post #261 of 14945
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Originally Posted by tn2005 View Post

Here are some more.
Aetherhole, the last picture is for your question.

So I assume that this is a screen of the Optimum mode and what you see on the screen is information only and not adjustable correct?

Also, have you found any color temp settings in the User Menu?

Thanks
post #262 of 14945
Here are some more pics of my setup. I finally got my room semi-completed last night. Still have to do a few things. and clean up the wiring.

Thought i would share some more on here. I still need to get a blu-ray player so hopefully that will be soon.

-D
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post #263 of 14945
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Wouldn't that depend on if the preset temp is D65?

I can see a need for a warmer temp if you watch a lot of Black and White movies.

Couldn't be preset at D65 in all modes on a consumer set!


bob
post #264 of 14945
That HDMI Input looks fragged or am I seeing stuff

post #265 of 14945
Just the camera's flash messing with the picture. There isn't an issue with the port.
-kkgsxr
post #266 of 14945
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Originally Posted by D-Dub View Post

Hey Robert and D-Nice:

How would you rank the non-Elite 9G and Elite 9G upscaling versus Anchor Bay VRS and Faroudja DCDi?

I'm curious about this as well - anybody?
post #267 of 14945
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Originally Posted by kkgsxr View Post

It is really hard to tell. The only thing is the bezel is quite reflective so it blends in some parts of the picture and others you can see the lights behind me. I turned off the lights last night and watched Law & Order, when the opening text is displayed with the black background, you can't tell where the screen ends and the bezel begins.
For once I am glad my old set's light engine crapped out


Blacks are the deciding factor for me this go around. After viewing a 5010 in an environment where lighting could be controlled I was mightily impressed and it made my 700U that much less appealing to me. Have you an opinion on the difference between the lest years gen of Kuros and the new gen when it comes to improved blacks?

Thanks!
post #268 of 14945
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Originally Posted by kkgsxr View Post

I think this says it all.


Ok this pic has got me really worried now. I've told my old man to order one of these on the proviso that they can also accept 240V 50Hz for when he comes back to the UK. Most of the forum sponsors said they would but this doesn't mention 240V. Can anyone confirm?
post #269 of 14945
uk is pal and usa is ntsc... shouldnt you worry about that too????


fiddlyD
post #270 of 14945
No not worried about the tuner as I've read that they can accept 50Hz PAL signals no problem. When he comes back to the UK he can just feed 50Hz HDMI from a STB.

If they can't accept 240V though he's screwed.
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