I went out of my way to take a look see at a 9g Pio at my local Best Buy and to say that the set-up was lacking would be a huge understatement. Pitiful would come to mind
There is a local dealer here that has a very good Kuro demo area set up with low ambient light and blu-ray sources. They have had several models set up and occasionally calibrate one (seems dealers don't like to pay calibrators). You can see there just how good the Kuros look with a closer aprox to what you can get at home, although it's not as dark as you might get a home environment.
Specialty dealers FTW when it comes to floor viewing although you might also do ok in a BB Magnolia viewing area.
Originally Posted by stompamudhole
They didn't even have the xx20 models or even knew what they were at my local best buy...all they had was the 5010 and a couple older elites in the magnolia section....
The elites looked good considering the open box units were only around 3,000 but my viewing distance is around 14 feet and the 60 inchers is what I am shooting for.
I guess what I am asking is how much better picture is the 6020 vs. the 6010 I'm really looking forward to a pro calibration but someone said if I bought the 6010 and had it pro calibrated it still wouldn't look as good as the newer 6020..
Is this true?
See that question a lot.
My 2cent on last year vs. this year Pio.
I've only viewed the 6010 on dealer floors and I was very close to buying one but I felt the value proposition didn't hold up at the time and went with a steal on a JVC 70" LCOS. When the 6020 came out I recently added that since I like the bang to buck ratio there.
I run the JVC calibrated set (not a 6010 comparison of course) in the same room as my 6020. I'll just say while I can
detect the variance from standard, depending on the content and scene, the 6020 still has beautiful color and guests have commented the same. Skin tones to me are critical and the 6020 passes that muster for me.
Short of finding a calibrated 6010 and a calibrated-as-much-as-possible 6020
in a position where you can do an A/B comparision it is difficult thing to say definitely what you'd like better. I can imagine trying to capture this difference with a picture btw, good luck. You're left with doing your research at places like this forum and considering opinions and the academics of it all. D-Nice has apparently had both last years Pio and the 6020 at home and is on record as picking 6020 over even a calibrated elite model of last year.
You're weighing in this case the difference in a 6010 pro calibration that includes color points vs a 6020 that is reviewed to have a very good quality in it's movie mode but not adhere completely to NTSC standard on primaries.
I won't get into the variability of source content itself when it comes to adhering to NTSC standards but certainly you'd like to have the capability of adhering the set to it.
On the other hand you have undisputed better black levels and brightness levels along with any other improvements made to Pio processing over the last year. Keep in mind also that you will have to live with XX20 primary color points as Pioneer set them
but the XX20 Grayscale can be fully calibrated according to D-nice. This should mean XX20 is not completely limited to OOB state (although that's not a bad state IMO). Some consider Grayscale the most critical aspect of a calibration.
On the whole it would seem the XX20 wins short of moving up to a Kuro Elite for the consensus leader of this year's PQ.