The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 91

Originally Posted by kgaler

I love it. I wanna adopt it but the fat lady at town hall won't let me.

Originally Posted by Mr. D

Has anyone else found that start up time for these sets is fairly long?

I'm setting up my Harmony remote finally and I've found that it takes around 10 seconds from the time I press power to the time I can change the input.

Edit: I had to program in an 18 second delay to get the input to switch.

Originally Posted by mr2828

Ok, excellent news on the lag front. I just re-tested the s-video input on my 6020 in game mode, with the game control option set to ON this time.

This time the lag measured as just 30 ms instead of the 70 range last time. Furthermore, keep in mind that 30 is the same I measured when I tested my two CRT televisions, so basically with the game control option set to ON the 6020 appears to have zero lag. The 30 ms is just some delay that my laptop inserts when outputting s-video.

I could actually feel the difference just now switching back and forth between the game control on and off in Gears of War. Aiming a gun feels "soupy" and less accurate with the control off. With it on it feels just like my old Sony CRT.

Too bad this option is limited to Game mode though. Even using D-Nice's Game mode-specific settings, the picture isn't quite as good as in Movie mode to my eye.

Originally Posted by Isolar

Great. What happens if you do, then? I always use a ps3 or hd-a35 for dvd playback, but i guess my wife has used our old dvd player occasionally which I had set up for the break-in disc. Naturally, she left the AV selection on standard, which I set to the break-in settings. Is this really going to do something awful to my tv? I just can't imagine it being that easy to break.

Originally Posted by Dahlsim

I see. Waiting is the tricky part, as in how long to wait.

I have to say I'm personally glad I waited and didn't pull the trigger on a Kuro 60" elite less than a year ago at the market price. I now have a 70" LCoS which is performing excellently and a 60" Kuro 6020 which is just gorgeous to my eyes, particular on HD material and both for less than what was the asking price for one Kuro elite alone a short time ago! Much less.

The current frequent pricing drops in the HDTV industry and the intense competition make me wonder what the pricing will be for the same or better peformance as a current Pio Elite in the next year or two going into the 10g and then 11g Pioneer/Panasonic models? Having a really great set now at a great value can make it easier to wait.


The value question is very subjective since $1,300 is different things to different people. When I was ready to buy the difference was even more than $1,300 thanks to Pioneer's policy in limiting the distance for online elite sales.

Originally Posted by htwaits

I'm not sure if it's possible to do, but it's "crazy" if you care about audio quality at all.

You would be using $5.00 speakers for your center channel, which, for movies, is the most critical speaker in a surround system. Also, there would be a noticable difference in any sound effect going right to left or left to right. You wouldn't have much of a sound stage either.

Originally Posted by LBDiver

Yes, I think if the panel was set on an HDMI input on shutdown, that when you turn the panel on it goes through the hand-shaking etc. and requires more time before it will allow you to change inputs, if on a Analog input my panel shows content sooner and requires less time before allowing input change.

To combat this I added an input change correlating with my Sat rec. before shutdown in my pronto's power-down sequence. Therefore when I power on the panel is already set to my Sat rec. input and I get picture faster, or changes to other inputs faster.

Originally Posted by hockeyscore

Ok the blacks speak for themselves but the green push ( saturation ), creeps into other colors. If the person has blond hair, well it looks like a slight tinge of green in that blond hair. My wife said what a bad dye job on her hair, then realized that it was in everyones blond hair. It says above that you can't correct for the green saturation, so you must decide if dark blacks, better than all other sets, and green hair is better than not so dark of black and better color point accuracy. If someone can tell me how to tone down those greens I would be a happy camper, other wise its a great TV for reproducing green eggs and ham.

Originally Posted by hockeyscore

Ok the blacks speak for themselves but the green push ( saturation ), creeps into other colors. If the person has blond hair, well it looks like a slight tinge of green in that blond hair. My wife said what a bad dye job on her hair, then realized that it was in everyones blond hair. It says above that you can't correct for the green saturation, so you must decide if dark blacks, better than all other sets, and green hair is better than not so dark of black and better color point accuracy. If someone can tell me how to tone down those greens I would be a happy camper, other wise its a great TV for reproducing green eggs and ham.

Originally Posted by DevilDog151

That sounds a little exaggerated I viewed a 5020 numerous times and never noticed what your seeing. I doubt a high end pdp like this will make peoples hair look green. Can anyone else say they have seen the same? If so i'll eat my words and look into researching a differnet set.

Originally Posted by hywdx80


Will the buzzing continue after I run the cd for 150hrs?

Originally Posted by hywdx80

mode 2 fixed it. I only can hear it 13' away because i just moved into a new house w/ hardwood floors and sound is bouncing around every where!

Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel

Has anyone seen green ghosting with the 9G Kuros?

You can see some Panny plasmas doing it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVw_VvFcV1U&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSqWOW1cOYY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kyllx3VaI8

I could clearly see the green ghosting with my old Panny TH-42PZ700U and it was so distracting I had to return it. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Pliny

Thanks for the information. I will take the advice presented here and purchase a center-channel specific speaker.

Originally Posted by htwaits

What you need is a center channel speaker with the same timbre as the front left and right speakers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbre

The easiest way to do that is to buy the same brand and class of speaker for the center channel that you have for the FL and FR speaker.

Originally Posted by zdogg

Last week I received a 5020 from Invision (thanks Alex for helping out when the freight company screwed up), and it's a fantastic set. It's probably got about 120 hours on it now, and I used the break-in DVD for a good bit of that time with D-nice's break-in settings.

No buzz, 1 dead pixel (doesn't bug me). BUT...

From the get-go I've noticed a mild "dirty screen" effect. Most obvious when playing solid color patterns; there are fixed areas in a horizontal band-like pattern that appear slightly darker than their surroundings. The effect is as if there were some dark smudges on the inside of the glass. I can easily spot it on regular content, particularly in Movie mode (brighter modes seem to lessen the effect), when blue sky or similar patterns move across the screen. It's like looking through a dirty windshield. Subtle but there nonetheless.

Hasn't improved much with break-in yet.

Others have spoken about this phenomenon here, but I'm curious how prevalent this problem is. D-nice described his 6020 as being silky smooth with regards to uniformity. I expected such from plasma (I had returned a Sharp LCD due to lack of uniformity in the past).

I called Pioneer and they denied ever having heard of the problem! Although the guy did mention that it sounded like it may be due to a defective screen filter. Before I give the set up to the local tech (and possibly get it exchanged for one with other problems like buzzing) I thought I'd see if I were just being crazy and everyone has this problem to some degree...

Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel

Has anyone seen green ghosting with the 9G Kuros?

You can see some Panny plasmas doing it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVw_VvFcV1U&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSqWOW1cOYY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kyllx3VaI8

I could clearly see the green ghosting with my old Panny TH-42PZ700U and it was so distracting I had to return it. Thanks!

Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON

The 5010 I got to set up for a friend last week barely had any trails compared to my Panasonic, and it was new out of the box. This alone sold me on a Kuro as when I got home to my plasma, that was all I saw for days before my eyes readjusted.

Originally Posted by bpmurr

I've had the same experience with the Pioneer Kuro sets so far. I had to go looking for the phosphor trails unlike my old 50PZ85U Panasonic which are more noticable.

Originally Posted by Aetherhole

Pendragoon, why don't you just get a component switcher or use any recent AV Receiver to solve your component problem?

Also, D-Nice has said that the set is very tweakable in the service menus (obviously at your own risk, but still).

Originally Posted by Aetherhole

This is OT, but oh well. A surround sound receiver is not all about going louder, it's partially about giving you the 'Surround' experience. Sure it will go louder and cleaner than your TV speakers will, but that's definitely not the point of the Receiver. As I stated before, it also acts as a hub for ALL your other equipment so in case your television only has one input of each type, then you can use the receiver as a switcher, as well. Which, most receivers will allow for the signal to be passed through untouched, unlike a lot of the switchers that you have seen.

Originally Posted by cajieboy

Supposedly, the Pioneer Elite SC-05 AVR will have even more of a connect to your Kuro display than ever before. I'm anxiously awaiting to see if these claims are correct. If so, then I think I've found my next receiver.

Originally Posted by Swatdude1

I saw this on the floor displayed 111 tonight in Best Buy at Chandler Mall. I hope my doesn't have this because I will return it pronto. Your description of looking through dirty glass is dead on. I was shocked to see it!!!

Originally Posted by LBDiver

Exactly, coming from an econ/accounting background a simple utility function would dictate in my case that I would benefit more from using the additional $1,300-1,700 on updating my 6yo receiver, or investing that money at x ROI that will purchase more than a CM menu and minutely better PQ, at some future date.

I see you decided you would get more utility out of a 2nd set, than an Elite.

Your comment regarding consistent price reduction definitely leads one to speculate what you will be able to purchase for the same money in 2 years. Being that we now know the Pio/Panny sets won't be released for another 18 months with the new plant not coming online until May, that definitely leaves plenty of time for the others to play catch-up. Considering the technology is closing in on industry wide 0 ft/L black levels, Samsung can potentially be on an equal footing coming into the 2009/10 model year while focusing on better processing and higher lumen tech, and Pioneer focusing resources on a more advanced CMS and higher lumen tech. Which all boils down to greater competition and hopefully lower prices for better tech.