The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 101

Hello? Anybody?

Is it normal that the Movie mode looks yellow since it's a low temperature mode ?

I'm not sure but I think mine is a bit more yellow then it shoud be, whites don't look white, I'll try to post some pictures later to see if it's possible to show you guys what the mode looks like.

Any recommended picture to try on the set (for comparing Movie mode with the other modes) ?

I have a question about my 6020's setup. Recently I noticed that when I pressed the Display button the time was shown but was off by 7 hours, although I had setup the proper time zone. Today, I finally connected the 6020 to my network and unplugged the 6020 and plugged it again. The network seems to be working, although I do not have an HTPC The problem is that the he time indication has disappeared from the Display information. Can anybody tell me why it was there in the first place and why I can't get it back with the correct time setting?

The Network Setup page is not ready for prime time. Instead of saying "On" it says "No," and the information at the bottom of the screen reads" Enable DHCP. Select "On" for to acquire network information." It appears that the boys and girls at Pioneer have a little work to do.

Here are some pictures in Movie Mode (using D-Nice's reference settings) compared to Game Mode:

Movie 1
Game 1

Movie 2
Game 2

Movie 3
Game 3

Movie 4
Game 4

Sorry for the crappy pictures, hope they still can give you an idea about what I'm seeing.

So, do you think the picture looks fine in Movie mode or do you think it would look better by calibrating the gray-scale or something like that ?

Any help would be appreciated.

Does anyone know the easiest way I could sell my 5080?

Thanks a lot for replying D-Nice, but I have a question, for example if I did this:

- Calibrated Movie Mode to an almost perfect gray-scale (using controlcal to access the SM and the required calibration hardware)


What would happen to the rest of the modes gray-scale and settings ? (i.e Game, Sport..etc)

Because from what I understand, unlike the Elite 9Gs, you can calibrate only 1 mode in the Non-Elites, so I'm not sure how it would effect the rest of the modes.

Can anyone tell me if the SR+ function is available on the 6020?

Sorry for asking so many questions, but can you please explain a bit more how will they be effected ?

I'm asking this because Game mode is the 2nd most important mode to me (playing video games without input lag), so how much would it be effected (good side or bad ?). Also, how close to a perfect grayscale can you get calibrating the Game mode instead of Movie ?

If anyone here uses a Macintosh to stream media to a 5020/6020, please let me know if you have been successful using TwonkyMedia. The 6020's see the files on the computer, but they are grayed out when trying to select them. Also, video files act like they are going to boot, but hang while loading.

I bought two of these sets to replace my calibrated 52XBR4's and I am loving the switch!

Thanks in advance!

it definitely seems as if sport mode has a sharper image and movie mode has more of a softer image. not just because of the color temp. either. seems like sports show more details but sports mode is definitely crushing blacks.

You're asking how to handle standard dvd player?

Not a whole lot you have to do. Given the choice go HDMI over component. Go with 480p out (480i would be even better) so that Kuro can do the upscaling. Compare that with 1080p out from your DVD player just to see if it can do any better although it probably won't if any difference is visible at all.

For av mode take a look and Movie Mode and then Optimum Mode for comparison. For specific settings take a look at the Kuro Settings thread here. Congrats & enjoy a great new PDP.

I'm considering returning my 5020. Movie mode's whites are far too yellow and the other modes have too much detail loss.

It's a good question as to whether the net result for other modes will be + or -. May have to try it to see. You should not have to degrade other modes to add some marginal improvement to movie mode. It appears the means to make the needed adjustments in the NE SM/FM would not be difficult for Pio to enable.

Pioneer could display some real customer care with a simple firmware update for the NE if they only added 2 settings IMO. Color temp for each A/V mode and Gamma adjustments for each mode. Still leaves settings benefits to continue to sell the elite model.

An organized XX20 owner's email campaign would be interesting.

Dahlsim - Thanks!

I'll check your suggestions out tomorrow morning.

AzJazz

No offense but what does this have to do with this TV? Go sell it off to a friend like I did with my Panasonic, what's not good enough for you is always good enough for someone else

Calibrate the grayscale or return it.. Not sure what you expect us to say

he probably wants lcd. lol pretty funny how one of the best tvs on the market cant look good enough..

Some do not like the look of a set when calibrated properly, they have been watching Displays that have a cool ct...

This owner has a legitimate concern if he doesn't quite like the oob movie mode. The XX20 is an excellent set with beautiful PQ performance on the whole no doubt, but it does require that you accept a limited ability to adjust the A/V modes to your liking.

If this user could do something as simple as create nice Mid temp A/V mode with a good gamma he could get the look he may be seeking. Pioneer's response to these owners is to go buy an elite but given the basic adjustability of PDP's like Samsung and Panasonic etc. at a lower price point this should not be the response.

IMHO Pioneer went overboard by removing color temp adjustability and gamma adjustability for each of the A/V modes. This was not necessary given the ISF modes for pro calibrations on the elite and it's advantages for tweaking settings overall and saving more memory modes.

This is something Pioneer could certainly address for their more demanding NE Kuro owners with a firmware update but of course if they get more profit from pushing people to the elite line than they lose on any hit they take on their non-elite line then they may not be incentivized to fix that mistake.

DRE set to on with Sport mode and set to off with Movie mode could make your image 'appear' sharper

If you are not used to it you have to acquire a taste to watch movie mode. And the reason the other modes lose detail is because Pioneer made the brilliant choice of removing custom DRE settings from the user menu on the xx20 series. So Movie and Game mode are your only choices and Game mode is far too blue (at least for my taste).

I do like movie mode mainly but I prefer Standard mode for colors on video games and it also provides more pop to the picture (albeit DRE is also too heavy which crushes details).

Whatever happened to color temperatures being seen in the SM on the non-elites? Are they visible but you just can't modify them/save them per input? Just curious.

How about ... get an Elite, use the PURE mode, and use D-Nice's settings ... that would be a good headstart.

How good is the Kuro's video processing compared to the Realta or Reon processors available in some high-end receivers?

I was trying to see if it makes more sense to go all Pioneer (receiver, blu-ray and Kuro) or if there is an advantage to the video processing Denon and Onkyo offer in some units.

My primary sources are DirecTV (only watch HD channels), blu-ray and some DVDs (480i output).

Thanks

If there was a way to do that now, I would. There isn't.


I upgraded from a ISF calibrated CRT. Not a chance I'd go with LCD. Maybe you should remove your head from your hind quarters and realize that these sets aren't perfect.


I'm considering upgrading to an Elite, but the huge price difference is a bit of a turnoff.

Not true. Check with D-Nice.









It sounds like you just need proper calibration of the 5020.