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is there an easy way to go through and edit the channels on the fly?

i find i have to write down the channels i want to delete or try to remember them, and then go to setup - etc etc - digital tuner set up - channel management - ....

pain in the ass.


not that i watch a lot of tv, but i thought i'd try and clean things up a bit.




and settings for the tv and various inputs.

are there optimal settings for various inputs?

my input 4 is going to be the hhome theater pc, and 5 will be from the receiver, running xbox 360 and ps3


any thoughts would be appreciated
post #3362 of 14721
engineear......bb usually excludes ps3/xbox360/Wii game consoles from any discounts, read on back of the coupon to be sure but if it's only $48 more off that $6000 only, they might let you do that too bb varies with each employee you deal with. my bb usually lets the coupons be used with items already on sale even though it states from regular prices only........ymmv
post #3363 of 14721
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Originally Posted by Dovetails View Post

Anybody else notice the healthy price drop with the 5020 on BBs site Wonder if this is just a temporary sale price, or could this be shades of last years 5080 price drop

would be nice if it's a true msrp drop. so far just a sale. after the initial release and with bb huge alotments they are probably holding alot of stock still in warehouses. last year there were buyers getting May 2007 build date units in Jan/Feb 2008 from BB.

I'm sure it's gotten harder to sell a $4000 50" model when you have sub $2000 price tags around on other 50" models or even 73" dlp models for $2500 to consider. .......
post #3364 of 14721
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Originally Posted by DFul4d View Post

Brightness Settings

What are you guys using for brightness on movie mode?

I am going back and forth between -1 and 0. They seem to have the same black level, but 0 shows more shadow detail. Is this detail that is supossed to be seen, or is -1 the correct amount?

Are you using calibration image patterns or appropriate shadow detail and white detail images for references in the adjustments?

If adjusting brightness you also need to balance it with any possible adjustments to contrast to make sure you're getting the white detail also. The NE Kuros do seem to be pretty accurate on the movie mode default settings out of box though. I'd go with the setting that just barely shows all of the shadow detail which in your example may be the zero.
post #3365 of 14721
drrturbo1...the manager informed me the coupon is good for 1 item only...but if they discounted off the 6k...I am there!

I'll probably make the decision today...I would like everything here in 3-4 days but the longer I wait....
post #3366 of 14721
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

would be nice if it's a true msrp drop. so far just a sale. after the initial release and with bb huge alotments they are probably holding alot of stock still in warehouses. last year there were buyers getting May 2007 build date units in Jan/Feb 2008 from BB.

I'm sure it's gotten harder to sell a $4000 50" model when you have sub $2000 price tags around on other 50" models or even 73" dlp models for $2500 to consider. .......

It is only on sale because of there 3 years no interest Labor Day Special. The price will go back up on Sunday. It is strange that they did not put it in their ad, but only online.
post #3367 of 14721
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Originally Posted by Dovetails View Post

Anybody else notice the healthy price drop with the 5020 on BBs site Wonder if this is just a temporary sale price, or could this be shades of last years 5080 price drop

I wish we got the same sale here in Canada. I would have been at BB so fat your head would spin
post #3368 of 14721
I was at BB on Monday looking at the 5020 and the guy there said it was only a sale price. I had thought it was on their 2-Day Labor day sale, but it sounds like it runs with the add all week. 5020 sure looked good, especially for the price. Only a few hundred dollars more than the Panny 50PZ800, to me that's a no brainer if one is ready to buy now.
post #3369 of 14721
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Originally Posted by AlexInvision View Post

It is only on sale because of there 3 years no interest Labor Day Special. The price will go back up on Sunday. It is strange that they did not put it in their ad, but only online.

My local BB's do not carry the 9G Kuros, and they are probably not the only ones. I suspect this is why they would leave it out of their weekly ad.
post #3370 of 14721
My 6020 arrived today! There was only one delivery guy so I had to help him carry the TV up the stairs, but he helped move my old TV (250lb. Wega XBR) onto its new stand with wheels, so it all worked out. The TV looks great, no damage. ESPN HD looks fantastic.

I noticed some intermittent loud buzzing when I started the break-in DVD, but when I start to walk toward the TV to identify the precise location, it stops. This makes we wonder if it's just something vibrating within the TV. I didn't notice any buzzing when first testing the TV with HDTV and PS3 even without the speakers hooked up, and I haven't noticed it in the last hour or two.
post #3371 of 14721
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Originally Posted by MelloFellow13 View Post

My local BB's do not carry the 9G Kuros, and they are probably not the only ones. I suspect this is why they would leave it out of their weekly ad.

My local BB doesn't stock them, either. When I inquired about a 6020, they told me they would have to order one and they were going to charge me nearly the full-boat MSRP of $5,500, which was over a grand more than almost any Internet vendor's price. Ha! I ended up buying mine from Amazon.
post #3372 of 14721
Decided on the 58"800u. Upgraded the speakers, Alex chipped in a few things and it's off to the Official Panasonic 58" blah blah blah thread. Thanks to ALL the Pioneer folks input. I saw a 50"800u next to a 50"5020 and when the wife doesn't see a difference that's fine with me. So the usual answer why I went that way?...saved $1K+, blacks are close enough(I have a 3 year old 42" Sony lcd that is fine so THIS will knock us out) and won't worry about the buzz. Alex at Invision Displays is wonderful, knowledgeable, LISTENS, not pushy, waits for me to finish a question, offers advice...suggested a lesser priced receiver, patient...I had called 4-5 times over the course of a week and was always pleasant. I also taked with Pat about speakers...his forte', and he was just as helpful and made my choices easy. Jason, a VP/owner, also chimed in and assured me ALL would be to my benefit, and thus far it has. I'm sure all will arrive safely but not soon enough...my fault for f4rting around for too long. Alex gave me an excellent price on the 6020 also but the panny will be fine for my needs. Thanks again Alex!

Thank you all again. This forum is wonderful.
post #3373 of 14721
congrats the 58pz800 is a very nice plasma your gonna enjoy it big time. glad invision took good care of you. hope you get it soon. your welcome in the pioneer threads too
post #3374 of 14721
In experimenting with the split screen function on my 6020, I have concluded to my dismay that one of the split screen pictures must be generated by the 6020's internal tuner. If that's the case, it sucks. I have two HD DVRs connected to my 6020 and had the reasonable expectation that I would be able to split the screen between the two. My research and experimentation, though, make pretty clear that it's not possible to split the screen between two external inputs. Any suggestions would be gratefully received. I'm not having buyer's remorse exactly but I am not a happy camper right now.
post #3375 of 14721
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Anyone think it's possible to get a 6020 for the appropriate reduced price (isn't there normally a $1500 MSRP diff. between the 5020 and 6020?), or is the 5020 a slower seller?



Check out COSTCO--they are selling the 6020 for nearly that range--just popped up today. Kind of strange--seems like maybe Pioneer has too much in stock?
post #3376 of 14721
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Originally Posted by idafapoa View Post

Check out COSTCO--they are selling the 6020 for nearly that range--just popped up today. Kind of strange--seems like maybe Pioneer has too much in stock?



Could be that simple. Or perhaps they are feeling the impact of their competitors recent price drops .... I'm a little suspect that Pioneer will in fact be able to carry the existing msrp on the current offerings clear to next fall. (this assuming D-Nices prediction is correct in there will be no new PDPs from Pio till Sept-Oct 09)
That's an awful long time to stay statis quo, especially when everyone is caught up in the fever of new product anouncement & release in the spring/summer.

What say you D-Nice, I know you can't spill the beans ..... but perhaps a 'tidbit'
post #3377 of 14721
When I went to BB for prices they matched Costco at $4299. Invision was cheaper, w/out tax...shipped.
post #3378 of 14721
Anything can happen, lets hope

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Originally Posted by Dovetails View Post

Could be that simple. Or perhaps they are feeling the impact of their competitors recent price drops .... I'm a little suspect that Pioneer will in fact be able to carry the existing msrp on the current offerings clear to next fall. (this assuming D-Nices prediction is correct in there will be no new PDPs from Pio till Sept-Oct 09)
That's an awful long time to stay statis quo, especially when everyone is caught up in the fever of new product anouncement & release in the spring/summer.

What say you D-Nice, I know you can't spill the beans ..... but perhaps a 'tidbit'
post #3379 of 14721
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Originally Posted by engineear View Post

When I went to BB for prices they matched Costco at $4299. Invision was cheaper, w/out tax...shipped.

Did your BB have a 6020 in stock? I learned from the BB guy who quoted me a price very close to the MSRP of $5,500 that his store would have to order one. I suspect that whether a given BB has one in stock has a bearing on the price that gets quoted.
post #3380 of 14721
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Did your BB have a 6020 in stock? I learned from the BB guy who quoted me a price very close to the MSRP of $5,500 that his store would have to order one. I suspect that whether a given BB has one in stock has a bearing on the price that gets quoted.

Also beware, I think BB's return policy is modified somewhat from normal for special order items.
post #3381 of 14721
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

My 6020 came with a separate yellow sheet that had a graphic showing where the power switch is on the back of the panel. That's the good news. The bad news was that I didn't find it until after the White Glove delivery guys and I found the master switch on our own.

I'm fortunate that I read most of the 9G owners thread before getting my 5020 and saw the picture of that little switch. However, I had temporarily forgot about it and became concerned for a few seconds before remembering the photo. Even still, it took some mashing about to actually find the little bugger on my set. And only once I was cleaning up did I find the little yellow sheet of paper instructing me about the power button.

In the end, I have to say it isn't the best design decision to place it where it is and to make it so incredibly inconspicuous even when you're aware of its existence.
post #3382 of 14721
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Did your BB have a 6020 in stock?

They did not have one in that location. But with all I was going to get, TV, speakers, receiver, ps3...some things had to be ordered and would take 3-4 days.
post #3383 of 14721
Let's establish right away that I am among the LEAST techically-adept members of this board. Much of what I read here in discussing the Pioneer 5020 is simply beyond me or so trivial that I can only shake my head in wonder. I'm not a videophile determined to trade specs with other geeks; rather I'm a former professional videographer with a discerning eye and an appreciation for quality.

Like many others, I'm not broke but I'm also not oozing dollars. Despite drooling over HDTV for years, I simply was not going to pay five, ten or fifteen thousand dollars for a new set.... after all, the only thing it's good for is WATCHING TELEVISION. Still, in the past year we've all seen quality go up across the board while prices continue to inch down. Like everyone, I've spent hours at the four or five major retailers determining which set I'd most like to own and which would actually be affordable.

Like many, I was extremely impressed by the reviews of the new 9G Pioneers, but due to other budget allocations in the family, I had put off purchasing anything once more, perhaps content to wait until the 2009 PGA Tour season. Of course, that would also mean skipping the new NFL season so when the Gorgeous Wifey on Labor Day said "why don't we go at least LOOK, there are plenty of sales around," I actually cancelled a golf game to have a "family outing," heh heh.

Since we've been trying to attract the teenage kids to our house (rather than have them run wild out on the streets) I was convinced that a 65 or 73-inch DLP for the living room would be our biggest and most affordable bet. However, the rather posh first store we entered simply said "We just don't sell those anymore; it's all plasma and LCD." Dang, I practically left right there for store #2, but she and I decided to at least look. That started a casual conversation with a salesperson as well. One set that really caught my eye was a 2008 52-inch Samsung LCD for $2800 -- and this with a Blu-Ray player tossed in. I was REAL close to saying yes, but before committing I casually said to our guy (who had been helpful on previous visits) "Is there ANYTHING else we should see before moving on?" His joke was that he had something "a little smaller" but I perked up considerably when he led us to the 50-inch Pioneer 5020. Now, I KNOW this TV.... I've read the magazine reviews and spent time researching at several forums, but it was my EYES that really sold me: brilliant picture sharpness combined with remarkable blacks that produced rich, life-like colors. But I just wasn't going to pay $4,000 or anything close to that. However, on this day, Labor Day, the store had knocked off One Thousand Dollars from MSRP. The "best TV ever" was selling for at least $450 LESS than the best price I had seen anywhere, including online. I kept waiting for my wife to object, but she simply looked at the 5020, then looked at a nearby 2008 Panasonic plasma then looked at a nearby 2008 Sony LCD and finally said about the Pioneer, "Well, that's the best picture and that's the best price." My cue to tell our sales guy, "Let's get some paperwork going."

The set was delivered two days later and it's perfect right out of the best. I've done no adjusting, no tweaking.... it's that good. Perhaps after we have a couple hundred hours on the set I will actually get into toying with the menu but already the TV is a hit. Sitting perhaps seven feet away we used our extra-cheap DVD player to take in "The Perfect Storm" and the image was virtually theater quality. Moving back to the couch some 14 feet back and the picture was simply diamond-sharp. The teens are now 'where we can see them' playing video games with friends, rather than roaming the neighborhood.

Finally, we're still waiting for DishNetwork to come and install the upgrade six days from now so I'm anticipating the next opportunity to gush: live TV in HDTV. Yes, we'll miss the first Seahawks game in Hi-Def and Monday Night Football (both Vikings and Packers fans in the house) but I'm sure it will just add one more level of excitement when we're finally hooked up.

It's my opinion that it was financially and techically sound to wait this long to make the purchase but considering the price we received for the 5020, patience was absolutely working in my favor. You may be vastly more spec-oriented than myself so use whatever criteria you desire to make a decision but I can tell you this: I am IMMENSELY pleased at the addition of this television to our home and my wife is as well. (Oh yeah: to heck with the kids -- I'm ready to watch me some Ryder Cup GOLF!)

Happy viewing
post #3384 of 14721
Congrats! I know you have been looking for a while and I am glad you made the decision!
post #3385 of 14721
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

in experimenting with the split screen function on my 6020, i have concluded to my dismay that one of the split screen pictures must be generated by the 6020's internal tuner. If that's the case, it sucks. I have two hd dvrs connected to my 6020 and had the reasonable expectation that i would be able to split the screen between the two. My research and experimentation, though, make pretty clear that it's not possible to split the screen between two external inputs. Any suggestions would be gratefully received. I'm not having buyer's remorse exactly but i am not a happy camper right now.

+1
post #3386 of 14721
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Originally Posted by idafapoa View Post

Check out COSTCO--they are selling the 6020 for nearly that range--just popped up today. Kind of strange--seems like maybe Pioneer has too much in stock?

not strange, it has already happened once as costco had a few 6020 for sale a few weeks ago. Plus they have done this in the past with other Pioneer models too, they even had Elite models a couple times.
post #3387 of 14721
ben seattle, congrats on the new 5020. football and the Ryder Cup should look great on it.
post #3388 of 14721
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

ben seattle, congrats on the new 5020. football and the Ryder Cup should look great on it.

Yes the Seahawks will look good for us here
post #3389 of 14721
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

Yes the Seahawks will look good for us here

What about the G-Men RIGHT now
post #3390 of 14721
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Originally Posted by benseattle View Post


I'm not a videophile determined to trade specs with other geeks; rather I'm a former professional videographer with a discerning eye and an appreciation for quality.
...
One set that really caught my eye was a 2008 52-inch Samsung LCD for $2800 -- and this with a Blu-Ray player tossed in. I was REAL close to saying yes, but before committing I casually said to our guy (who had been helpful on previous visits) "Is there ANYTHING else we should see before moving on?" His joke was that he had something "a little smaller" but I perked up considerably when he led us to the 50-inch Pioneer 5020.
...
Now, I KNOW this TV.... I've read the magazine reviews and spent time researching at several forums, but it was my EYES that really sold me: brilliant picture sharpness combined with remarkable blacks that produced rich, life-like colors.

Nice post.

I notice quite a few friends of mine comment on 2 things about this set:
1) Black Level that usually makes them feel there is no letter boxing even when there is.
2) Especially "Rich" color.

As I'm running the 2007 Pioneer pure demo disk on the 6020 right now (wow) I'm thinking "rich" may not be the technical term for the color attribute but it just seems to describe it perfectly. I suspect in addition to the superior black level it's also due in small part to the slight (inaccurate) saturation boost from color space 1. I don't think I'd want it any other way at this point.

With your professional background in video no doubt your eyes told you everything you needed to know. Congrats.
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