The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 114

Got an interesting bit of news from my local BB this afternoon regarding the 5020. I went in with the interest of purchasing this set (due to their very attractive price right now) and when I asked (1)-why all of a sudden the deep discount and (2)-how long the sale was on. To my suprise he said, while the sale was good thru Sat. he encouraged me not to wait to long as the 5020 is now listed in their inventory as a 'DELETED' item. He said he showed 27 units at the distribution hub and when they were gone ..... that was it!! Hard to say what this might really mean, but he assured me they would not have any more 5020s and he only assumed there would be a model change coming soon. to replace it. BTW, this was confirmed by more than one salesperson, in fact it was the manager and assistant mgr. Both of these guys have been pretty reliable in the past on info.

This really caught me by surprise as the last I'd read on the board, D-Nice said no model changes till next fall. hmmmm...... I guess time will soon tell. Anyone else run into this piece of news???

Wow, things you can learn on here. If its true it might be just them but it sounds like another one of their miss informed staff. I guess we will see lol

True True

Plug in an antenna and watch some hdtv while you wait for the dish installer

Yeah, i'm a little skeptical on this, and perhaps it's simply an 'inhouse' decision in our area. Besides , D-Nice has already responded by saying not to believe it. My money is on 'D'

Your's is not the first report of that kind of information coming from a BB sales person. It starts happening every year at about this time, and will continue through Spring, and early Summer. It's just a kid that want's to make a sale.

Hey guys wow i have been given the Green light to purchase the pioneer PDP-5020. for one of my room, im going to get it at costco but have a question, have anyone purchase a 5020/6020 from costco? theirs 2 delivery options

treshold and white glove

for some reason it shows the same price for either choice.

is white glove just the guys handling the tv or faster delivery too?'

i will get a PRO-111 later this year but for now a PDP-5020 will do.

I have been going to BestBuy for a couple of years now looking at the KUROs. I spent sometime looking at the new top of the line KURO yesterday and I noticed something rather startling. A static image, say of a face, moving across the screen at, say, 6 inches per second was very blurred! I watched longer in amazement. Then I recalled as best as I could why I never noticed it before. Perhaps BestBuy knows this and has usually shown content that is hard to notice this 'limitation.' I can not watch LCD, or rear projection because the image is horrible to me. Up to now I have been living with a 30" HD CRT Loewe. From what I have finally noticed about the KUROs I have now been deeply depressed about the Plasma. I hope the new Mitusbisihi LaserVue will be my savior, if not I guess I'll have to catch a plane and fly to Germany and buy a 42" CRT Loewe -- if that is, they even make them anymore. This is just a horrible, horrible situation. What is an uncompromising watcher to do? The 30" is just so dam small, but there is no picture out there that is as good that I can find.

Hey guys so I decided not to wait and i'm an official owner of the pioneer PDP-5020 and waiting delivery.

I choose white glove since it doesn't seem to charge more on tax or intrest the final Out to door cost was the same.

+1

I'm looking forward to watching the Bills beat the Seahawks Sunday on my 6020

Well in this case it really wasn't , the manager, and assistant mgr. and I, all stared at the computer that definately listed it as a now "deleted inventory item". Oh well, time will reveal all. My intent was not to make a big issue out of this, just thought it was kinda interesting though. It could very well (and probably is) simply a local decision. Will be fun to keep an eye on, however.

Most likely like you said they aren't moving enough locally. If you're in a smaller market stores don't like to deal with slow movers.

This has been my biggest (and pretty much only real) disapointment with this set. I was hoping for PIP/split screen capabilities along the lines you mention but it is not to be. I think the manual clearly states that such is only with the internal tuner. Like you I tried and tried to get it to work and couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong until I read the manual. I currently don't recieve over the air signals as my reception has sucked in the past - but I have a boosted antenna on order which i plan to hook up and see if i can recieve over the air HD better then I could get anaolog in the past. I'm not really hopeful - but if it works at least it will be something. I'm really disapointed that the TV can't do split/pip with inputed sources.

Yea that would make sense as not all of them carry the units at all locations.

I have a splitter on my cable in so my 6020's internal tuner does pick up basic cable from Cox OKC. That will provide very limited utility for me, though, because I have a second HD DVR hooked up to the 6020. That means that I can simultaneously record four shows so there is absolutely no reason to watch cable via the 6020's internal tuner. Bummer, but there it is.

That is disapointing limitation on PIP usage although in general as an owner of many hdtv's I've found PIP to generally be disppointing in terms of the usage limitations on most displays.

As radical as it may sound to some I honestly have found having 2 displays in the same room far superior to PIP for practical intents. I consider it "Super PIP".

Truth is with the money you save by buying a Non-Elite over an Elite you can buy an entire new PDP or other display, and even get it ISF calibrated.

That new information makes a difference.

I think it's time to change your meds...or start some.

<< I'm looking forward to watching the Bills beat the Seahawks Sunday on my 6020 >>

Apparently the Canadian Cannabis you've been enjoying has warped your sense of rationality.

By the way, I DID try an antennae in order to check out actual HD over-the-air programming from our local stations. I skipped Best Buy's $13 dollar model, the $59 dollar model and said 'I'll take the $73 dollar model.' Well, THAT was a colossal disappointment. Sure, it sorta, kinda brought in a TV picture but on most stations it was totally UNWATCHABLE. Perhaps it's my location or the structure of my house but the antennae went back for a refund the very next day.

Now, I'm wondering.... suppose I ran some cable and tried the antennae OUTSIDE the house?

Needless to say, I can't WAIT until Tuesday when the DishNet upgrade boys get here. Something ELSE to anticipate!

Believe me, that happnes more often than you think on so many of there products. That item will say deleted untill their stock is replenished and then it will say active again.

Yeah, the slavish devotion to CRT displays, all of which are tiny compared to what is available in modern plasmas, leaves me scratching my head. The CRT is obsolete, period. If an HDTV is so small that I can't see its detail from more that three feet away, the supposed superiority of its PQ is irrelevant to me and, I suggest, to most others.

ControlCal Calibration instructions are now up!

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/show...ted=1#post1603

Thanks D-Nice!

Who is going to be the first to try it?

wow im suprised no one congrats me on the purchase, then again its not a big deal.... where is everyone? anyways what instructions should i fellow when tv arrives? the PDP-5020 was purchased at costco.com prices were the same for threshold and white glove, so i choose white glove at no aditional cost.

i pefer to handle the tv then the carriers~... it says on costco delivery will call for a 4hr window....

Wanted to get peoples input on a 60in Plasma. I am sorry if this is the wrong thread.

I am looking to purchase a TV for my parents home. Its going over a fireplace and its a large room, a 60in would work nice. I really like the way the pioneer has performed in the stores I have seen it at, in addition, the reviews have been quite nice.

I am debating between the pioneer and have also considered the panasonic/samsung 58in plasma's. Is this a foolish comparison? Obviously, the price is less for the non-pioneers, but what about other considerations such as quality and performance?

ak493 PQ performance is better in pioneer no question, i would take the pioneer over panny/sammy and that extra 2" anit so bad either

LOL - I was never in the market for an elite set. The extra $ are not justifiable to me (though I appreciate why it would be for some). As it is I went somewhat over budget on the 6020 (had been planning to buy a 58" panny...wasn't out in time). I have no regrets with the Pio - far from it - however I also purchased a PS3 at the time as well as various other goodies - so I don't see myself as having any kind of savings windfall...neither would my wife go for another large display in our viewing room. I do have a very small monitor (integrated into an old Akai video switcher I've owned for 25+ years) - useful for monitoring dubbing and such - and at some point I may get a small (22-26" or so) LCD which I may mount on a swing arm to better monitor dubbing operations and perhaps as a computer monitor connected to a media PC that I plan on eventually hooking into my integrated system that will be located with my AV rack). No PIP isn't a deal breaker - I mainly like the capability to occasionally monitor/check in on TV when I'm watching something else or to monitor dubbing operations. I'll figure something out.

Not a foolish comparison at all. You're looking at what most considered the best plamas in the current generation which all look quite nice. For Pio you're mainly paying for a boost in black level over the others and highly rated video processing overall. A modest improvement in PQ really. If you want all that and best of class tweakabiliy for calibrations then you go all the way to the elite model.

Your parents won't be losing with any of those displays by most accounts.


I was being somewhat 'tounge-in-cheek'. I don't know if you were looking at an elite or not which could be a fine choice as long as you know what you're paying for. It is true though that you can buy an entire other quality set for the difference though.


Yeah, I'm sure a 2nd set doesn't fit most people's decor. I never said it needed to be large though, a relatively small plasma or lcd mounted to the wall like a monitor easily can perform a "PIP" function.

Thanks to the Double D's!!!

To update, I've been running the break-in DVD (mixed with a few hours of HDTV viewing) for about 50 hours. The loud buzzing I initially heard seems to be completely gone. If I stick my ear up to the TV, I can hear a slight hum, but it's basically silent. (The PS3 fan is much louder, and I usually don't notice that.)

A few hours after I started the break-in, I noticed what looked like one dead pixel and one intermittent pixel (it would flicker on and off). The intermittent pixel seems to have fixed itself as of yesterday, and much to my surprise, today the dead pixel is almost normal -- it's just slightly darker than the surrounding pixels. I thought that a dead pixel would stay dead, but I guess it was just playing possum.

The moral of the story is that the break-in process does seem to have some real value.

Thats a success story, I am happy to see that!