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post #4111 of 14721
10/16/08 at 7:08pm
My PDP5020 arrived today awesome set watched a little of Chicago in HD cant remember what channel on Directv stunning though WOW!!! no dead or stuck pixels either got in on the bundle with BDP51FD.
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post #4112 of 14721
10/16/08 at 7:14pm
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Are you ok? Do you have some pent up anger that you need to release? I think you need a friend.

Lol, thank you I needed a laugh. My feelings are hurt *sarcasm* yes that's right some people on the internet don't take everything personally. Grow up
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post #4113 of 14721
10/16/08 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by cay5021 View Post

Thanks Andrmgic, and Rick for your help, It seems like I am leaning towards the 5020 and hooking it up with a good home theater system. Though I went to BB yesterday, and it again got me worried that the the 50 would be to small. Yet another dilemma in this long process of finding the right TV, it feels like sometimes this process is more stressful then exciting. Which shouldn't be the case when your upgrading from a 6 year old 22inch tube. Again thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

Colin

Glad I could help. Personally, I've decided to wait on the next generation displays, as I find I'd rather have one of apple's new notebooks this year than a 50" tv to replace my already good 46" tv. However, upgrading from a 22" tv, you're in for a real treat.
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post #4114 of 14721
10/16/08 at 7:21pm
Misery needs company
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post #4115 of 14721
10/16/08 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Misery needs company

Hey, you two go get a room

John
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post #4116 of 14721
10/16/08 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by antennahead View Post

Hey, you two go get a room

John

Lol, only if he pays
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post #4117 of 14721
10/17/08 at 4:41am
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Lol, only if he pays

Good comeback

John
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post #4118 of 14721
10/17/08 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by Patrick. View Post

I know about RGB levels it's lighter whether you change the RGB settings in the PS3 or not. It isn't overscan related either it affects very specifically red text and makes it look all blurry even in dot by dot.

I'd like to hear more about this. I'm gonna be connecting the TV to a PC via HDMI.
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post #4119 of 14721
10/17/08 at 9:40am
Just had my 5020 TV calibrated, my settings are as follows..

Contrast +34
Brightness +4
Color +8
Tint 0
Sharpness -1

Hope this helps, what i big difference from Optimum, if you love deep rich colors you might not like it, but these settings are how your TV should be viewed at..
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post #4120 of 14721
10/17/08 at 9:45am
I'm using 5090 with a PC, I found setting HDMI input mode to "video" NOT PC results in a better picture, with R/G/B sliders in PC mode I found it too colourful. Has anyone used a calibrator in PC mode to get a better picture?

Also in colour space I changed from 16-255 to 0-255, default 16 mode is too dark, I needed to boost brightness in the ffdshow settings. With 0-255 mode only needed +3 in the ffdshow settings.

As for aspect mode it's in dot by dot.
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post #4121 of 14721
10/17/08 at 10:20am
I guess I'm nitpicking here, but I find it weird that my clock says 10:44PM on my Kuro right now, but it's actually 1:18PM. I have it set to Eastern as I'm in New Hampshire. I've tried adjusting the DST setting too, but it just sets it to 1 HR different than the currently waaay wrong time.

Anybody else have this problem?
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post #4122 of 14721
10/17/08 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Primopup View Post

Just had my 5020 TV calibrated, my settings are as follows..

Contrast +27
Brightness +5
Color +8
Tint 0
Sharpness -1

Hope this helps, what i big difference from Optimum, if you love deep rich colors you might not like it, but these settings are how your TV should be viewed at..

you should post the AV Selection setting (Movie, Standard, Game...) when posting settings. contrast at 27 would be too low for Movie mode i think.
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post #4123 of 14721
10/17/08 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by analogBalrog View Post

I guess I'm nitpicking here, but I find it weird that my clock says 10:44PM on my Kuro right now, but it's actually 1:18PM. I have it set to Eastern as I'm in New Hampshire. I've tried adjusting the DST setting too, but it just sets it to 1 HR different than the currently waaay wrong time.

Anybody else have this problem?

try different channels, that time seem to be retrieved from the station and shows a diff time for each channel sometimes.
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post #4124 of 14721
10/17/08 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

try different channels, that time seem to be retrieved from the station and shows a diff time for each channel sometimes.

That didn't work -- but it was definitely a good idea. Thanks.
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post #4125 of 14721
10/17/08 at 10:54am
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That didn't work -- but it was definitely a good idea. Thanks.

hmm okay. it worked for me, at least while surfing through the digital channels.
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post #4126 of 14721
10/17/08 at 11:09am
It was standard mode, and the contrast was +34, brightness +4, color +8,
tint 0, sharpness -1

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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

you should post the AV Selection setting (Movie, Standard, Game...) when posting settings. contrast at 27 would be too low for Movie mode i think.
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post #4127 of 14721
10/17/08 at 11:14am
Does anyone else watch movies in Sport mode on their 5020FD's? I was using Movie mode and set it to D-Nice's settings, but like i've read the colors didn't pop as much as I wanted them to. I haven't hit the 150hours on the break in though, only had the tv for a week. After a week of watching in Movie mode I put it on Sport mode and I just seemed to like it better. I liked the brighter whites.

This whole getting the best/accurate picture thing is a pain in the butt, but I'm extremely happy with my Kuro- Went from a 13 year old 19" tv to this.
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post #4128 of 14721
10/17/08 at 11:31am
Came late back to this thread to read:
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The price went down, and so did the technical knowlegde of recent buyers Most complaints are coming from people who either didn't know what they were buying or don't know how to use it.

Thanks for that, it's real constructive info. I re-read the thread from where some of the "less-glowing" comments were posted, and in each case the spirit of the post was to provide useful info or to share personal impressions of this display. Sounds like if we don't drink a gallon of the kool-aid our opinions don't matter. Marginalizing someone else's viewpoint is the tactic of a bully, usually on the internet and rarely face-to face.

Now, constructively, to the poster that asked about SD content on this set: I'd say that my DirecTV PQ for SD (HR22 to an SC-05 to the 6020) does seem to be OK, but there's quite a bit of variation depending on the programming. When the display is set for more "pop", I've seen SD look pretty funky. At "normal" settings (like the D-Nice cal.) there seems to be more accurate SD. Honestly, though, I think you'll find yourself seeking out HD content much more often because it looks SO good on this display.
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post #4129 of 14721
10/17/08 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by Primopup View Post

Just had my 5020 TV calibrated, my settings are as follows..

Contrast +34
Brightness +4
Color +8
Tint 0
Sharpness -1

Hope this helps, what i big difference from Optimum, if you love deep rich colors you might not like it, but these settings are how your TV should be viewed at..

Wow, are you sure those colors ARE NOT rich? Seems a lot higher than any other color setting that I have seen.
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post #4130 of 14721
10/17/08 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by timothydog76 View Post

Hello all,
Forgive me if it is not appropriate for me to post in here since I don't technically own a 5020 yet but it is at the top of my list of possible TVs I might be buying soon.

I went to Best Buy last night to have a look at the Kuro 5020 and the Kuro 6010 they had on the floor and was pretty much wowed by it. The only other TV that came close to comparing was the Panasonic 800U but the Kuros are indeed amazing as I've read they are for the last few weeks.

Anyway, while demoing the Planet Earth Blu Ray disc on the 6010 I noticed a very strange effect on the screen that I don't think I've heard explained yet. The best I can explain it was a kind of a "sizzling pixel" effect. If you look close to the screen you can see this strange fluttering pixel movement in certain areas. I even paused the DVD and the movement was still occuring. Very strange! Would this be some kind of noise in the signal? It was very predominant in the 6010 but hardly noticeable on the 5020.

Does anyone have a possible explanation?
Thanks,
Tim

Whas what you were seeing present only in darker areas of the screen or even in brighter colors? If it was darker areas only... plasmas have to "flicker" pixels in dark areas to get an average level that's correct. The flickering pixels makes dark areas look like they are "alive" when you are too close to the screen. When you move back to a normal viewing distance, the effect is invisible because you can't see individual pixels.

If what you are seeing is in brighter colors, I see a little bit of that in last-years Kuros (the 6010 has to be a left-over 2007-2008 model unless you meant to type 6020 which would be a 2008-2009 model), but it didn't happen often enough to worry about. I've seen in in a canyon wall or in a few very specific colors, but it doesn't last long and it happens maybe 1 time in 10 movies for 2 or 3 seconds. If you're seeing it much differently than that, I'd first blame the settings of the TV, but it could be something with the panel - if it really is a 6010 it may have been on display for a long time in torch mode in a store - that's not the best way to use a plasma display and they may have damaged it.
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post #4131 of 14721
10/17/08 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by DFul4d View Post

Wow, are you sure those colors ARE NOT rich? Seems a lot higher than any other color setting that I have seen.

That's what I thought too!! When my 6020 was calibrated, it was done on movie mode and my settings turned out to be:
contrast +39
brightness -1
color +3
red tint +1
sharpness -15

done by David Abrams
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post #4132 of 14721
10/17/08 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by smolstre View Post

That's what I thought too!! When my 6020 was calibrated, it was done on movie mode and my settings turned out to be:
contrast +39
brightness -1
color +3
red tint +1
sharpness -15

done by David Abrams

the other poster's settings were done from Standard mode, i dont think by calibrated he meant grayscale, but rather thru DVE HD Basics.

i did some DIY calibrations and user settings were
Contrast: +34 (+39 yielded about 40ftL, was a bit too bright/intense for my tastes, i bumped it down to about 35-36ftL)
Brightness: 0
Color: +3 or +4 (not sure off the top of my head)
Tint: Red1
Sharpness: -15
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post #4133 of 14721
10/17/08 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick. View Post

Exactly the point I was trying to make when I said people don't know what they're buying. Most of the people complaining about motion don't like the look of 24fps in the first place.

The motion for me happens with my pvr, not just blue ray. Actually it happens more on pvr but seems less when pure cinema is off.
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post #4134 of 14721
10/17/08 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

Whas what you were seeing present only in darker areas of the screen or even in brighter colors? If it was darker areas only... plasmas have to "flicker" pixels in dark areas to get an average level that's correct. The flickering pixels makes dark areas look like they are "alive" when you are too close to the screen. When you move back to a normal viewing distance, the effect is invisible because you can't see individual pixels.

If what you are seeing is in brighter colors, I see a little bit of that in last-years Kuros (the 6010 has to be a left-over 2007-2008 model unless you meant to type 6020 which would be a 2008-2009 model), but it didn't happen often enough to worry about. I've seen in in a canyon wall or in a few very specific colors, but it doesn't last long and it happens maybe 1 time in 10 movies for 2 or 3 seconds. If you're seeing it much differently than that, I'd first blame the settings of the TV, but it could be something with the panel - if it really is a 6010 it may have been on display for a long time in torch mode in a store - that's not the best way to use a plasma display and they may have damaged it.

What I was seeing was mostly in the brighter areas of the picture. Even when I paused the frame the "moving/sizzling" was still occurring. I do believe that it was just a result of bad settings and possible permanent damage to a floor model in torch mode for God knows how long (a year maybe?). The 5020 had very small amounts of the same thing.
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post #4135 of 14721
10/17/08 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Kopinak View Post

The motion for me happens with my pvr, not just blue ray. Actually it happens more on pvr but seems less when pure cinema is off.

yep. when set on advanced the jitter when watching Law & Order on TNT is unbearable.

i did flip between Off and Advance when the credits were scrolling on Matrix BD and noticed less judder on Advance.

it's rather odd that the motion issues happen while watching cable/sat, since it's not even supposed to engage for those situations.
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post #4136 of 14721
10/17/08 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by Dahlsim View Post

You have to keep the recent discussion in context.

Hundreds of posts in this thread from many actual owners of the Kuro NE as well as several professional reviews have established factually that this display's PQ and overall performance put it at or near the very top quality of any hdtv you can currently buy on the market. These discussions now are about the last few % pts of extra viewing quality, brightness, judder, advanced adjustments.

In terms of general PQ and performance this set has been proven to be a fantasitic performer. I watch it with lights on and lights off and it looks great either way IMO. I also own very good LCD and LCOS displays that are capable of going much brighter but I find that past a certain point that brightness is mostly a waste. Any reasonable setting for a home theater environment will end up turning that brightness down quite a ways from peak brightness. It's useless beyond a retail showroom floor with super bright lighting.

If on the other hand you want to use the excellent Movie Mode A/V setting and still get the best possible "pop" even with lights on you should consider getting the grayscale calibrated. That will make a great looking image even better and also help the image in higher lighting.


Thanks for the good info.....I will be watching tv with the 6020 for the first time this weeked (just finished with the burn in...I am at about 110hrs is this sufficient?) I may opt to have a grayscale calibration as I do enjoy a "pop" maybe only because I have been watching a 42" samsung newer lcd that has corrupted my eye to true accuracy?. I have found with wine and music that the more you know about what your hearing and tasting, the more you understand it and enjoy it. I am a novice when it comes to plasmas, I am sure I will appreciate this tv and it will grow on me.
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10/17/08 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by smithdj86 View Post

Thanks for the good info.....I will be watching tv with the 6020 for the first time this weeked (just finished with the burn in...I am at about 110hrs is this sufficient?) I may opt to have a grayscale calibration as I do enjoy a "pop" maybe only because I have been watching a 42" samsung newer lcd that has corrupted my eye to true accuracy?. I have found with wine and music that the more you know about what your hearing and tasting, the more you understand it and enjoy it. I am a novice when it comes to plasmas, I am sure I will appreciate this tv and it will grow on me.

you might just be too used to the "torch" mode of displays. i was like this before and found Movie/Cinema modes on TV to be too yellow. but after a while of viewing at 6500K i can't go back to dynamic modes at all, not even for watching sports.
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post #4138 of 14721
10/17/08 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Griff805 View Post

Does anyone else watch movies in Sport mode on their 5020FD's? I was using Movie mode and set it to D-Nice's settings, but like i've read the colors didn't pop as much as I wanted them to. I haven't hit the 150hours on the break in though, only had the tv for a week. After a week of watching in Movie mode I put it on Sport mode and I just seemed to like it better. I liked the brighter whites.

This whole getting the best/accurate picture thing is a pain in the butt, but I'm extremely happy with my Kuro- Went from a 13 year old 19" tv to this.

You mean "Bluer" whites
bob
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post #4139 of 14721
10/17/08 at 6:46pm
yes i used Blue-Ray DVE HD Basics...
I think i am going to purchase ControlCAL and try that next.


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DVE HD Basics.

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post #4140 of 14721
10/17/08 at 7:07pm
A question to 5020 owners.
My unit has zoom defect.
Please, check 1080p zoom on your 5020.
Do you have the same problem?

Left - 1080p 2.4:1 movie
Middle - Zoom as it should be
Right - Zoom on 5020 (distortion)
Thank you!

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