The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 140

Originally Posted by bobssurfin

I'm getting motion blur on my 5020 too. Sometimes it's real noticeable and makes me slightly dizzy. I,m using a cable box and have 5020 set to Movie Mode, Pure Cinema on. Can't recall other settings as I'm not at home right now.

Has anyone been able to reduce or eliminate this effect via combination of settings. My set is fairly new and I have to admit that I'm still confused about which settings are best for certain types of material viewed.

Any advice from experienced owners would be helpful. Tx!

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

it's much better with PureCinema set to OFF. it's rather interesting that the blur gets pretty bad when viewing Satellite TV when i had PC set to Advance. from what i understand Advance should only kick in when 24Hz signal is detected, which shouldnt happen with satellite broadcasts.

i see about the same amount of blur with Standard or Advance, much better with PureCinema turned off. the blur is mostly okay, but especially bad when watching Law & Order on TNT.

Advance (not available for input
signals 1080p @60 Hz)

Originally Posted by bobssurfin

The motion blur that I'm referring to is when watching a movie or show for example, on a cable HD channel. When the camera used in producing the film appears to pan left or right, it's almost like a fish eye lens effect and makes me a little dizzy to watch. Fast moving sports, on the other hand, are not a problem. I have a Sharp 46" 1080P 120Mhz that doesn't do this at all.

What I'll try next is jkcheng122's suggestion of turning Pure Cinema off. Does any other setting or combination of settings help?

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

you might have my curse since my symptoms sound like yours. No combination works for me, I have found scenes in programs that cause your description on my dvr and have tried all the Pure cinema settings to no avail. I am thinking it is just in my head now and I subconsciously looking for motion blur I think I started it by looking for smoother motion using 72hz advance setting.

Originally Posted by florida61

What is the Evangelo2's Break-in DVD and Thumbdrive Files in the first post, and what is it used for?

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

from the owners manual



basically I read that it should work basically for anything it detects 3:2 pull down which would include movies on satellite, most network non reality shows are shot in 24 fps too.

(fyi, DISH has 1080 24fps video on demand)

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

i had figured all broadcasts are at either 1080i/30 or 720p/60, and not 24Hz.

it's funny DISH for a while advertised their 1080p as "same quality" as blu-ray. now they corrected themselves to say "same resolution" as blu-ray.

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

used for breaking in the tv. plasmas have a break-in period to reach full potential performance, and this disc or the thumbdrive is designed to help break in the panel properly.

Originally Posted by florida61

Is there any harm in leaving the tv using this. I noticed the 150hrs recommended. How long a day?

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

you might have my curse since my symptoms sound like yours. No combination works for me, I have found scenes in programs that cause your description on my dvr and have tried all the Pure cinema settings to no avail. I am thinking it is just in my head now and I subconsciously looking for motion blur I think I started it by looking for smoother motion using 72hz advance setting.

Originally Posted by bobssurfin

If you're right, then this is annoying for such a nice tv otherwise. It doesn't happen on every station, but still is a problem.

Have you experienced this issue playing HD/Bluray movies in 1080P/24 fps? If yes, what can be done? I just hooked up my Pioneer BDP-51FD player but have not played a movie on it yet. The only thing I did so far was to upgrade the FW to v1.02

Originally Posted by musiclover408

I have been browsing this forum for awhile now. I thought I was all set on purchasing the 6020 but after hearing all the complaints lately I am really wondering if I should plunk down that kind of cash only to be disappointed. Before considering the 6020, I was really leaning towards one of the newer 58 inch Panasonic Plasmas. For $1000 more than the Panny, I really want to make sure the Kuro is worth it. Has anyone on here had both or done a really good comparison. I know that Pioneer Kuros produce the blackest blacks...but I am not a fan of blur so that to me is more important.

Again, I am not trying to bash the Kuros in any way. As I explained, I was just about to pull the trigger on one. But now I am getting nervous and want to make sure I here some more facts before the big purchase. I do appreciate everyone/anyone's input here. I would love to hear why I should choose a Kuro or why I should not. And if not, what is the 2nd best choice in the 58-60 inch range?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by timothydog76

The 5020 was a thousand times better and it wasn't even professionally calibrated. I'm planning on pulling the trigger on it really soon!

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

havent had time to watch many BD movies, so Galapagos I didnt notice any and Iron man seemed ok, think just normal 24fps blur. That is why I am not 100% sure it is the tv problems, could be a symptom of overcompress DISH HD. But I never had issues with my 46" lcd.

Edit: I am have sensitive eyes, walked over to a co-workers cube and his CRT monitor drove my eyes crazy too and I mentioned it to him. After that he noticed it too and swapped it out for a LCD, so I corrupted him too. Not sure if his CRT was refreshing at 60hz but that is my quess.

Originally Posted by Fanaticalism

You know, I have been seeing a lot of reports of motion blur from Cable feeds lately from all technologies.

Originally Posted by musiclover408

I have been browsing this forum for awhile now. I thought I was all set on purchasing the 6020 but after hearing all the complaints lately I am really wondering if I should plunk down that kind of cash only to be disappointed. Before considering the 6020, I was really leaning towards one of the newer 58 inch Panasonic Plasmas. For $1000 more than the Panny, I really want to make sure the Kuro is worth it. Has anyone on here had both or done a really good comparison. I know that Pioneer Kuros produce the blackest blacks...but I am not a fan of blur so that to me is more important.

Again, I am not trying to bash the Kuros in any way. As I explained, I was just about to pull the trigger on one. But now I am getting nervous and want to make sure I here some more facts before the big purchase. I do appreciate everyone/anyone's input here. I would love to hear why I should choose a Kuro or why I should not. And if not, what is the 2nd best choice in the 58-60 inch range?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn

If you saw the THX testing lab and sat through the entire certification process for a single product, you'd realize THX is more than just marketing. Though if there were no marketing, there would be little or no value to the THX certification programs.

Originally Posted by Patrick.

I agree it serves some purpose.. However if all displays can't be submitted to THX either because the manufacturer didn't pay enough (ahem marketing) or because they didn't want to, what is it doing for the consumer? No one is saying they slap the THX logo on any junker or that they don't test but other then marketing how is it helping you?

For instance take the 151 that isn't THX certified, then an 800U and have a comsumer look at specifications, Some people might think that THX means the 800U is a superior set, the ones that know better won't even notice the THX logo. Yeah the 800U passes THX specifications which means it measures up to their standards. Does that mean the 151 doesn't?

Unless THX certification was a test for all TVs in a certain price bracket or size range, I just can't see the value or it other than knowing a certain product is up to their (?) secret specifications. Paying to have the certification just enforces that more. something tells me you won't see a THX Vizio no matter how it performed.

Originally Posted by jackass414

Happy to oblige...

I have owned both sets (well the 50" 800u and here are is what I have observed.

Panasonic 800u:
pros:
-decent blacks ( you can see the bars when watching a movie)
-accurate colors (I think that they look washed out)
-very clean looking
-good speakers
-0 input lag for games

cons:
-blacks
-thx mode to me looked very washed out and lacked any sort of punch
-I had terrible buzzing from the rear of mine
-3 screen effect...once you see it you will never stop looking for it. Off angle viewing displays 3 layers of the image displayed
-all other picture modes are terrible and have a lot of noise
-48hz looked good at first but the flicker is so bad it'll give you a migrane


5020/6020:
pro:
-very deep blacks
-vibrant colors
-better 24p support (72hz in advanced vs. 48hz panasonic)
-a lot better picture modes to choose from. I know they are not nearly as good as movie mode, but if you want a bluer picture, they still look pretty good
-absolutely no noise that I have seen
-great sound

cons:
-color saturation may be more than most like (I prefer the pop of the colors)
-slightly inaccurate colors...I thought they looked more realistic than the 800u
-lacks a huge amount of user controls

from what I have read, both of them have some complications with calibration but they both can and will benefit from a professional calibration.
I hope this will help you guys out, because I know going through all of that was pretty hectic. In the end the 5020 was the right choice for me, I needed the better blacks and vibrant colors. I am planning on getting my set calibrated soon and I have never been as satisfied with a purchase as I am with the 5020.

On the topic of blur, I am assuming that my vision either doesn't allow me to see it, or just certain people are more sensitive to it. I have never noticed any blurring on any mode ( off standar smooth advanced).

Originally Posted by gwsat

That's a good analysis, I think. Although I have not owned an 800U I have carefully followed the 800U threads and the plusses and minuses seem to be as you delineated them.

I have had a Pioneer Kuro 6020 for nearly two months and have been very pleased. The (relative) lack of user controls has been a non-issue for me because I have found Movie mode, tweaked slightly in accordance with D Nice's recommendations, produces a wonderful picture. I like Movie mode so much, I even use it for viewing HD sports programs. I have seen occasional blur on some cable telecasts but not enough to concern me much. The PQ of 1080p BD movies has been simply stunning, I have seen no blur and could not have asked for more.

Originally Posted by Bushman4

Having a Great HDTV requires more control & setting ability than either of these sets offer. While the Panny can be Calibrated, the 6020 can NOT be Calibrated other than the Grays. To me I want the ability to be able to set a TV to my personal preferences not the manufacturer. I'm sure most people would agree. Neither of these TV's live up to what they should do even though they are good TV's

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

i would think most of the missing settings are those only pros would have a use for. as for me contrast/brightness/color/tint/sharpness plus the RGB-High/Low for grayscales are plenty.