The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 142

Originally Posted by Kopinak

Okay now I have another question. I continue to see some blurring. Last night, I clicked on options and then changed video to PC to see the HZ. What I found interesting is you could still see the TV when changed to PC. As a matter of fact, there was no blurring (or very very very little) and the picture looked great. Does this make any sense? Should you be able to see the TV when PC is engaged. Is this okay for the TV? Should it be clearer on PC than TV mode?? Is it possible the processer is processing PC at 60hz but not on TV mode and that is why it is choppy at times? Does anyone have any PQ settings for PC mode? I noticed there is no dot by dot choice or Auto choice while in PC mode --- lacks even more controls but the picture was very very good. So strange....

Originally Posted by BaumSquad

Recently got a 5020 from a forum sponsor. I have it hooked to Tivo HD and an Xbox 360. Great image, and have been running the break in off of USB key. Definitely noticed the full color screens have become more uniform. Pretty cool to see that change over the first few days.

Anyway, I read on here about phosphor lag and green ghosting and what not, and I am definitely experiencing this. I'm not sure if I'm just more sensitive to this and that I'll get used to it, or if this is something being extra goofy with the set. It reminds me a lot of the rainbow effect with a single chip DLP setup. I notice this mostly when my eye jumps around between parts of a scene, or just looking back and forth between the set and the room, mostly noticible on any white or bright parts. Or when there is anything going from bright to dark, like moving text or whatever.

A simple way to show this, again, at least to my eye, is to do a simple test (one that's more fun and interesting with a DLP with a color wheel, but anyway). Basically hold the screen on anything with a bright white portion. Doesn't have to be the whole screen. Just some bright white section. Now look at that section, close one eye, and then start waving your hand quickly back and forth with your fingers slightly separated in front of your eye. What you notice is that the pure white breaks into a white, a yellow-green, and a purple. You could surely do the same thing with a fan running in place of your hand.

Obviously this test case itself doesn't matter since no-one looks through a waving hand at the TV, but clearly shows, at least on my set, an effect that is pretty clear to my eyes as I watch regular TV. I haven't played many games yet, but it sounds like it will become even more pronounced there.

I guess I'll just try to get used to it. I recall when I had a 100" DLP front projector setup, the rainbow effect got less noticeable over time. I honestly think I just naturally trained myself to move my eyes around the screen less quickly. We'll see if this is the same story.

I guess it's just when you drop some coin on one of the best TV's ever, you want it all...

Originally Posted by Kopinak

Okay now I have another question. I continue to see some blurring. Last night, I clicked on options and then changed video to PC to see the HZ. What I found interesting is you could still see the TV when changed to PC.

As a matter of fact, there was no blurring (or very very very little) and the picture looked great. Does this make any sense? Should you be able to see the TV when PC is engaged. Is this okay for the TV? Should it be clearer on PC than TV mode?? Is it possible the processer is processing PC at 60hz but not on TV mode and that is why it is choppy at times? Does anyone have any PQ settings for PC mode? I noticed there is no dot by dot choice or Auto choice while in PC mode --- lacks even more controls but the picture was very very good. So strange....

I can't believe this is the t v causing this and hoping its the cable box some how not displaying the signal correct.... Any thoughts?

Originally Posted by Dahlsim

What's your source device & signal? Connected via HDMI?

PC mode is geared to take an RGB signal in directly instead of a Video signal (which then has to be converted to RGB).
So if you're passing an RGB signal perhaps there's an advantage.

Originally Posted by nirvanaman

Will the Peerless ST660 mount fit the 6020? Are there any other mounts that work for folks? I need a tilting mount.

Originally Posted by nirvanaman

Will the Peerless ST660 mount fit the 6020? Are there any other mounts that work for folks? I need a tilting mount.

Originally Posted by nirvanaman

Thanks both of you!

Would the correct mount for chief be the PLP16? Pluses and minuses of the two mounts? Any other good options?

Originally Posted by ROMAN O

Take a look at Chief, the best selling mounts out there
http://www.chiefmfg.com/mount_search...roductTypeID=1

Originally Posted by DOMAIN64

Ha, now you like the chief mounts eh? I kept mentioning them to you in prior posts.

I tried to look at the site and could not find the depth in inches fully flush. Which mount is more minimal and what depth for a 60"?

I have my partner wanting the 60 and will be calling you about this.

Paul

Originally Posted by ROMAN O

lol you got me , Chief reached out and had me go direct for the store and online
Are you talking tilt or flat?

Originally Posted by DOMAIN64

Yeah Gotcha,

The full swing arm. There seems to be three or four and its hard to tell the differences.

He wants it flush.

Paul

Originally Posted by DOMAIN64

Yeah Gotcha,

The full swing arm. There seems to be three or four and its hard to tell the differences.

He wants it flush.

Paul

Originally Posted by ROMAN O

The depth is 5.54" and its flush, PIWRFUB is the one go with. PM or call me and we can go over it so we dont clog up the thread, I can get confused myself sometimes with these, but we have support I am installing a demo next week so I can take a pic for you as well but its for a 50 incher, you will get an idea.

Originally Posted by Dahlsim

What's your source device & signal? Connected via HDMI?

PC mode is geared to take an RGB signal in directly instead of a Video signal (which then has to be converted to RGB).
So if you're passing an RGB signal perhaps there's an advantage.

Originally Posted by Kopinak

Okay now I have another question. I continue to see some blurring. Last night, I clicked on options and then changed video to PC to see the HZ. What I found interesting is you could still see the TV when changed to PC. As a matter of fact, there was no blurring (or very very very little) and the picture looked great. Does this make any sense? Should you be able to see the TV when PC is engaged. Is this okay for the TV? Should it be clearer on PC than TV mode?? Is it possible the processer is processing PC at 60hz but not on TV mode and that is why it is choppy at times? Does anyone have any PQ settings for PC mode? I noticed there is no dot by dot choice or Auto choice while in PC mode --- lacks even more controls but the picture was very very good. So strange....

Originally Posted by Patrick.

If you mean motion looks better well make sure your 24p options are turned off in your BD/DVD gear because it will pass 24p even with PureCinema off. As for detail and clarity I think there's a good possibility noise reduction is killing detail on these TVs and will test this further.

Originally Posted by Kopinak

I am not sure how one knows what they passing. I am using HDMI but will try component. I actually found on my pansonic that component was better but that was a couple of years ago. I may go purchase a blue ray player to see how that reacts. Does a PC source also receive 1080P?

Originally Posted by Patrick.

Although I don't notice it killing detail with video one has to wonder if it does that to text what is their noise reduction doing to video.

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

i'm actually not 100% it does. to be honest i think PureCinema is just very inconsistant. sometimes i notice a difference, sometimes i don't. on The Matrix, i tried flipping between Off and Advance during the credits and noticed less judder (still some) when PC was switched to Advance.

Originally Posted by Kopinak

Anyone want a pioneer Kuro, still under warrenty for a great price? lol.....

Originally Posted by Dahlsim

What's your source device & signal? Connected via HDMI?

PC mode is geared to take an RGB signal in directly instead of a Video signal (which then has to be converted to RGB).
So if you're passing an RGB signal perhaps there's an advantage.

Originally Posted by Dahlsim

If there were detail loss it should show up on calibration patterns designed for those adjustments. During my calibration for instance we were able lock in beautiful lines without ringing or frequency rolloff.

There are a lot of built-in features on displays with no visible affect but of course adjusters and purists usually like to turn them off anyway to be safe. There's no evidence of detail loss but your observation on text could be worth checking out. Are you setting your video card to pass a Video Level for video mode?

Originally Posted by Kopinak

Yes connected by HDMI but I am not sure what Bell express vu is passing? I do not see any information on this in the manual. This makes sense.