The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 17

Manuals have been posted.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0514.pdf

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0428.pdf

Nice find indeed! but did you post this in the general discussion thread?

No, but I will now.

If this is true, we can forget about all that supposition about Panny glass made to Pio's specs. If Pio can't specifiy at least the size, there is little hope they'd be able to impose other unique features that might require a change to the manufacturing process. Heard to believe the 10Gs will be 58" with some Pio cell structure. Could be round two of the dumbing down of the Kuro's (with the 9Gs Non-Elites being round one).

What is Dot to DOt?

its zero overscan and its dot by dot mode 1 : 1 i belive?

Received mine this afternoon............... also broken. Nice big crack that runs the entire length of the glass a few inches from the top.

Holy crap! the packing matirial must not be good on a serious note maybe foward to pioneer? did you buy off forum sponser?

What the hell is going on with the shipping companies delivering these things? Are they trying to break some unknown Guinness record about most plasma TVs destroyed in a month?

brent looks like i beat you to it, hmm i really think they are not pakaged well

kkgxsr barely made it with a hole, granted its a box but d-nice and his tv and a few more have landed cracked....

maybe pakckaging issue? billybob hopefully its circumstance rather then glass being more fragil but what if its packing issue?

Seems like a high rate of shipping damage already. Just circumstance? Glass more fragile? Shipping problem?

I did buy from a sponsor. I've already spoken to them and have every indication that they're going to make it right as quickly as possible. The delivery guy hung around just long enough to confirm that it wasn't shattered - didn't even see the crack until after I set up the stand and my buddy and I removed part of what covered the screen just before we were going to lift it from the box.

billybob0405, I agree and here's my take on why. The most likely panel to break in-transit are the 60" panels as a large span of glass is more prone to break when jarred, dropped or transported not standing upright.

This is just one reason we up-graded all of our 60" panels to inside delivery. Inside delivery makes the carrier responsible to get the TV into your home and covers the TV against damage on the carriers clock. It also gives the recipient the opportunity to open the TV for inspection before the driver and helper leave.

If the driver does not let you open and inspect the panel I recommend everyone inspect the carton very well before signing the delivery receipt and if you see any damage; print the following words just above your signature "Subject to Inspection". Signing "Subject to Inspection" keeps the carrier on the hook for an additional few days after delivery

Anyone who receives a broken panel should refuse the shipment whenever possible.

-Robert

Great advice, thanks Robert!

First class, as always, thanks Robert. I hope the carriers are taking notice and take suitable precautions.

Just curious, what about the original box shipped from Pioneer. Are they
inspected by the sponsors/stores before shipping out? I mean, unless the
box is damaged on the exterior, how else are we to know that the source
of the issue is not from Pioneer's own warehouse? Perhaps a bunch of serial
numbers should be tracked as maybe a bad shipment went out (or at least,
mishandled in the warehouse).

Whatever happened to Shock sensors and "tip and tell" indiactors?
How come noone uses these that much anymore?
Do these work well?

chadmark, very good point. I'm going to buy them and put them on our panels. You have your QA hat on again.

-Robert

Dot by Dot is available for 1080i and 1080p images. It means that each pixel in the image is directly transferred to the corresponding pixel on the screen without any additional scaling. Also it means that you will see every pixel of a 1080i HDTV broadcast on your screen. There will be no overscan.

Because there is no added scaling, the image is theoretically sharper. Depending on the signal and/or the TV, you may or may not notice a difference.

The Kuros don't provide Dot by Dot for other (480i, 480p, 720p) input resolutions because scaling is required by the TV before the image is displayed. If you play a 480i DVD on an upscaling DVD player set to output either 1080i or 1080p, then Dot by Dot will be available as an option. If the DVD player is inputting any other signal then Full is the most accurate option available.

Huh?

I think of it this way: dot-by-dot is like forcing the TV into native resolution
mode where each 'pixel' of the input resolution is mapped to a pixel on the
screen. Generally, only the resolution that matches the TVs native resolution
is allowed as it fills all pixels, otherwise, it'll be a smaller window within a
black screen. 1080P TVs are 1920x1080 pixels, thus dot-by-dot mode is
usually offered for 1080P material. For the other non-native resolutions,
the material is usually scaled to fit the screen to the best of the abilities.
Usually the scaling is not perfect so there's overscan. Something like that.

I also have Verizon Fios box that shows a green line on the right side when in 1080i mode, I have to use 720p mode to get rid of it. The box did it ever since the firmware update with the new menu graphics etc. Hopefully they will fix the problem in an upcoming firmware update, but there's nothing wrong with your TV.

1080i is also mapped Dot by Dot after it is deinterlaced by the 1080p Kuro sets.


When a 480i signal reaches a 1080p Kuro it is deinterlaced to 480p and then scaled to 1080p. When 480p or 720p signals reach a 1080p Kuro they're scaled to an image that is slightly larger than 1080p, if the display is in Full mode. That means that the image is enlarged just enough to cut off the edges (overscan) of the image as it's displayed on the TV's screen. Overscan has been necessary through out the history of analog TV. With digital TV source material it's no longer necessary and Dot by Dot takes advantage of that. So far Dot by Dot is only available for signals that reach a 1080p Kuro display in either 1080p or 1080i.

Sorry, but I need better questions.

My 6020 came with no issues. Box was perfect, not even a dent in the box. The TV is boxed well, so I think the shipping companies are at fault.

-kkgsxr

Big Box retailers have enough financial clout to 'compel' shippers to take greater care w/the delivery of FP TVs, individuals do not.

If the box does not arrive in 'pristine' condition... I don't even want to see what's inside.

I totally agree. If the shipping company is behind and gets in a hurry this can cause problems like that.
This happens sometimes in the buisness I am in. Especially during the end of the month/quarter/year when product is being pushed out to meet sales projections and production goals.
I think the Tip and Tell indicators and shock sensors should work great to combat this. If the Trucking company is made aware that the package has these sensors then they are forced to be gentle with the package and make sure it does not tip over, oherwise the package will be rejected by the customer and this reflects badly on the shipping company. Like Robert said, The 60 inchers are the worse. Maybe this could be done just for the 60 inchers at least. It would be nice if Pioneer QC could put these on before letting them leave thier plant. That way as the package travels, the tip and tell indicators and shock sensors can be checked and signed off on at each stop the TV makes. That way it can be narrowed down to exactly where the mishandling occurs and a corrective action request (CAR) can be issued to correct the problem..

Imagine someday when 70" - 80"(+) flat screens are shipped.

Great explanation! Thanks a lot! this and other answers explains well why I have green side line in both SD and HD channels. MY Verizon Motorola QIP6200 is set for 1080i output. There is no Pass-through mode unfortunately.
But I am glad to find that there is nothing wrong with my TV - it's a source problem. Thanks everybody.